is it brostep?

Wait...Skrillex looks like that???

haha, that is what my friend said

Me to thread. What's posted online is, indeed, just an excerpt. And what made it into the mag is just a fraction of what I *originally* wrote; I think I wrote 12,000 or perhaps 15,000 words for a piece that finally ran at about 5,500. (I do have a tendency to be long-winded.) And no, there aren't features on Tiesto, Deadmau5 or Diplo, but hey, you gotta sell magazines, right? There are features on dubstep and EDC.

a strong junkfood feeling

Yeah - this is exactly the way to describe this stuff. In small doses it's alright I guess in a mindless way - as I've mentioned, I used to quite like a bit of Caspa & Rusko when they first came out. But this is very far removed from the G dubstep - it's jump-up d'n'b filtered through nu-metal.

I want to read the 12,000 words version

7,000 of them are just WOBBLE WOBBLE WOBBLE

it's jump-up d'n'b filtered through nu-metal.

the vast majority of the under-18s i know who are into "dubstep" are also into nu-metal / screamo stuff w/ keyboards

similarly, all the people i know who used to listen to linkin park and pop-punk are now learning to DJ Nero and Flux Pavilion tracks.

7,000 of them are just WOBBLE WOBBLE WOBBLE

-- is wobbly nothing but an over-played pejorative now? it used to be a valid/accept descriptor for a lot of bassier jackin house even before the blog/fidget thing happened but i saw this post and then there was just some lame twitter event post about "getting some wobbbly bass + dubstep in your life" so i wonder.

well it's sort of the biggest factor in brostep isn't it? my impression of the 'problem' with this stuff is that the wobble is the most important thing, the central part of every track, which makes me think of it as barely being music -- and i don't mean that pejoratively, but literally, like i think of people going to these shows just to feel the vibration in a sort of ravey context. there's no depth or complexity to the music, not even an understanding of climaxing or coming down, it's just wobbly vibrations which could be a new experience for all those kids who've never gone to see loud bands play in small spaces. just a physical response to noise. of course i've never been to any of these shows so i don't know what my impression is worth, but that's a bit close to it right?

it's a bit close. i think the thing is that a lot of these kids *are* kids who often go see loud bands in small spaces, start to get burned out on the impact of drums/guitar/bass/screaming, and are picking up the same vibes from "bass wobble" that they might have in the past got from double kick drum or cookie monster vocals

i think of people going to these shows just to feel the vibration in a sort of ravey context.

This is a valid reason to listen to music though.

Can't wait for the crabcore/dubstep hybrids

Wait, maybe we have them!

The bass at Stink Like Sock in Cambridge is stupendously loud. Never heard anything like it. It grabs you by the balls, then the throat, then the stomach - and those are just the first three notes of 'where's my money'. So yes, it's often quite literally a physical thing. I'm waiting for them to invent a speaker system that blasts soundwaves big enough to suspend people in the air with bass. Something that'll physically throw you in the air. I can see that being more fun for teenagers than a bunch of embarrassing dudes in boardshorts playing music invariably about how their parents didn't give them enough money or about how they've got too much money now.

i think of people going to these shows just to feel the vibration in a sort of ravey context.

This is a valid reason to listen to music though.

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oh i'm not saying it's not -- one of my favorite events is the high zero festival in baltimore largely because the pure noise experiments can have such a sensational effect on a physical level. i just have trouble classifying wobble wobble as "music" rather than "visceral experience that assuredly gets boring and bland after a few shows, right?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeyAeuoi4-E
Dubstep Hamlet)

where does this fit?

how not to be"

i just have trouble classifying wobble wobble as "music"

actually it's when they try to get "musical" that they get in trouble imo

Still waiting on the rise of footbro

I've never listened to brostep on speakers good enough for any sort of wobble-action to take effect.

http://static.musiciansfriend.com/derivates/6/001/285/713/DV019_Jpg_Regular_514372.008_vintage_brown.jpg

Dobrostep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124VzSLy7d0

I mean, brostep sucks and everything, but that's a fun jam to dance to.

That said, the chainsaw bits are completely unnecessary in the context of the song. Would have been better as a simple electro cover.

Oh wow, adult swim (Cartoon Network's for older viewers block of cartoons/shows shown late night) has a compilation they have tagged as "dubstep." They seem to have fallen on the not-brostep side of things. The not-dubstep side of things, too.

http://www.adultswim.com/promos/201109_unclassified/

adult swim + scion a/v/

scion has it's paws up in a lot of that scene.

I know, I instinctively cringe when I see that sponsorship on things but this is.... not mixed by some random dude and has some decent music?

I wasn't aware of what they sponsored now, but from past experience and being bombed by horrible promo cds I have a lot of preconceptions

not denigrating, just saying, it's a line-up i'd expect with scion's involvement. - the artists scion selects to do work with are pretty good and it's cool that they setup events/parties (albeit they tend to be underpromoted on scion's part at times). issue with promo discs is usually people consciously leaving their lesser work for them (can't blame them).

That's cool, I just remember some dodgy promo discs being thrown around when Scion first appeared as a brand to the point where there were stacks of them sitting in every record store, at every event, and you'd get two or three at a music festival.

yeah i can't really think of another company that's been as knee-deep in the sponsoring of electronic music. i remember when it first came out it was the offish "rave car" or whatever

Red Bull Music Academy!

EXCEPT FOR RED BULL MUSIC ACADEMY

they sort of gloss over as they same in my head "SHINY! RAVE!" when i'm not thinking about it

and actually i hadn't realized rbma has been around for as long as it has dealing in these kinds of (the non-bro-y) producers

Didn't Adult Swim have some sort of involvement with Major Lazer and Flying Lotus videos in recent times? That tracklisting does look rather good.

One of the Tim and Eric guys directed videos for both, I believe.

flylo got his first break doing bumpers for adult swim iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovL0VxzguEo

finally, a musical team-up we can all get behind

Someone I don't know on youtube just sent me a link to: "Laura Warwick - Losing You (Chill Dubstep Remix by S.J.P)"

Should I listen to it?

I have no idea who that is, what it is, etc.

it's no one big or anything just someone spamming their work out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt3HUulsf3s

it's no one big or anything just someone spamming their work out

Why me I wonder? I must have liked Katy on a Mission or something.

Am I the only person who finds it amusing that people are just now realizing that Skrillex collaborated with Korn, when the song's been out since April?

...there's certain things not worth bragging about knowing, that's probably one of them

James Blake grousing in pitchfork:

“I think the dubstep that has come over to the US, and certain producers-- who I can't even be bothered naming-- have definitely hit upon a sort of frat-boy market where there's this macho-ism being reflected in the sounds and the way the music makes you feel. And to me, that is a million miles away from where dubstep started. It's a million miles away from the ethos of it. It's been influenced so much by electro and rave, into who can make the dirtiest, filthiest bass sound, almost like a pissing competition, and that's not really necessary. And I just think that largely that is not going to appeal to women. I find that whole side of things to be pretty frustrating, because that is a direct misrepresentation of the sound as far as I'm concerned.”

who I can't even be bothered naming

strawman argument

there's this macho-ism being reflected in the sounds and the way the music makes you feel. And to me, that is a million miles away from where dubstep started

sissy argument

And I just think that largely that is not going to appeal to women

sexist argument

Sounds like an excuse for the weak, anaemic "blubstep" of his own album.