right but a person could go to one doctor w/these symptoms and be told it's fibromyalgia, go to another and be told it's myositis. like GERD=gastritis.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
MYOSITIS is inflammation of muscle tissues. FIBROSITIS is inflammation of the fibrous connective tis-sue of muscles, joints, tendons, ligaments, and other connective tissues. MYOFIBROSITIS is a combination of muscle and connective tissue inflammation. FIBROMYALGIA indicates pain in fibrous tissues, muscles, tendons, ligaments, and other sites.
^all "you've got non-specific pain, and we've excluded RA etc"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
sort of...thing is, there are lab tests for myositis (eg elevated creatinine) that could confirm the diagnosis, which could then point the doc to the underlying cause (eg yr on statins).
the whole dx of exclusion thing with fibromyalgia lies in that it's what you turn to when you've exhausted all the other possibilities. I think some ppl mistake it for being a pejorative term or something, like why would a doctor consider it last, least important/likely, and do all this other testing first??? when really it's simply because tests actually exist for other, treatable things so may as well make sure it isn't any of those. it isn't because docs have necessarily relegated fibromyalgia to some non-disease status, and they will only diagnose it if they ~have~ to, grudgingly, it's because there's no objective markers for it (afaik) and the clinical presentation is so non-specific that it would be irresponsible to not exhaust the other possibilities
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
xp obv
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
also, wrt those defs you posted, I ~think~ the reason fibromyalgia gets it's name is not just because it's painful, but, crucially, because it's pain in the absence of obvious inflammation.
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
but isn't there an ongoing debate amongst doctors about whether it truly is a disease? or is it that there are some shitty docs who are using it as a catch-all "i don't know what your pain is" dx?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
ah, then the lack of obv infammation gives rise to the overactive nervous system theory?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
presumably? and fwiw if yr doc says I don't know but I've exhausted all diagnostic modalities then I'm not sure he or she is shitty. chances are they're frustrated like the pt
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i'm prob projecting my own experiences with my MD there ("oh you have recurrent stomach pains huh...must be IBS, here's some pills")
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, that Ace of Spades argument is still going on, several hundred posts later
― Blind Diode Jefferson (kingfish), Thursday, 15 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
An adult friend of ours just contracted whooping cough. All I could do was curse the thoughtless, selfish assholes who made that possible.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 September 2011 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
Unfortunately, there has yet to be crafted a pistol upon whose barrel you can inscribe "herd immunity, fuckhead!" with which you can use to whip those deserving.
― Blind Diode Jefferson (kingfish), Saturday, 24 September 2011 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
this weekend i visited my friend who works for the public health service in seattle. these days a large portion of his job involves responding to cases of pertussis/whooping cough due to jenny mccarthy. smdh
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
Ugh, that is awful. Just goes to show how many willfully ignorant people are out there.
― Nicole, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
We had the same problem in Colorado.
― kate78, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
Curious: did your friend say (or given confidentiality, maybe just implied) if the parents had any second thoughts about it all?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
he said the parents tend to be unrepentant and found it frustrating that ppl hold the advice of their yoga instructors in higher esteem than that of medical professionals
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
Those same parents will yet wonder why it is their offspring never call...
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
There have been a couple of cases in my county.
I went to check if they were in any of the local school districts, and I found someone posting "I wonder if the increase in sickness is due to illegals attending our schools without the proper shots?"
― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
ffs
― carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
Vh1 and NBC just gave her chat shows, btw
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
"Whoop It Up! with Jenny McCarthy"
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
Will there reach a tipping point wrt to number of cases where we can criminalize not getting your child vaccinated?
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
ha that will never happen, not without half the country dying
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
The Whooping Dead
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
jenny mccarthy's the stand
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
I was being facetious, but, yeah, since my son was born this has ratcheted up my anger at these people.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
ditto
― beachville, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:20 PM (2 hours ago)
hahaha
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
dying
also thread title change?
― giant snake birthday cake large fries chocolate shake (sunny successor), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
NO.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 23 February 2012 09:39 (twelve years ago) link
aww
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
it is p lol tho
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 23 February 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
lol dan
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Can't we just give these people hologram bracelets that protect infants from autism. btw these bracelets only work in conjunctions with innoculation
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
Brilliant.
They also allow us to identify children whose parents we wish to avoid.
― carl agatha, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
More Doctors 'Fire' Vaccine Refusers
Families Who Reject Inoculations Told to Find a New Physician; Contagion in Waiting Room Is a Fear
― mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
^^^last attending did that with a fam.
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
Super Bowl measles outbreak: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/02/measles-outbreak-in-indiana.html
― kate78, Friday, 24 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
oh my god
― goole, Friday, 24 February 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
I am not sure how Gardasil came up in conversation at work today, but it did. OMG vaccinating 9 year olds! And boys!
New girl: "There have been deaths from it!"
Me: "I bet more people have died from cancer."
― tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 1 March 2012 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
Or the deaths from Aspirin, Tylenol, etc
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Thursday, 1 March 2012 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
btw there have not been deaths from it
― valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
Thirty four of the total death reports have been confirmed and 37 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 34 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
Turns out that among 40 million vaccinations, you might have a few people who die.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
WAHT?
― giant snake birthday cake large fries chocolate shake (sunny successor), Friday, 2 March 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
ppl die everyday
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah! Among 40 million people, any particular 40 dying is... not that statistically significant and doesn't really amount to a correlation.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
Like if I took 40 million teens that drank milkshakes, probably 40 would have died
ban milkshakes imo
PEOPLE DIE??????
― giant snake birthday cake large fries chocolate shake (sunny successor), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
:(
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link