When the POLL Comes Down: The Stones' "Some Girls"

sometimes I marvel that anyone ever took Mick Jagger seriously. more often than not I find his antics positively clownish/silly

cf. Mick Jagger doing the funky chicken, or the "naughty schoolteacher", or the "watch me attempt to imitate James Brown"

"Gimme Shelter" and "Sway" are the only times he ever sounds demonic.

would add memo from turner + some live versions of midnight rambler to that list.

sympathy for the devil too

sway he sounds half asleep, not demonic

scary=anything off dirty work

There's a live CD/DVD from the 1978 tour coming out this fall, too.

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sometimes I marvel that anyone ever took Mick Jagger seriously. more often than not I find his antics positively clownish/silly

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cf. Mick Jagger doing the funky chicken, or the "naughty schoolteacher", or the "watch me attempt to imitate James Brown"

― you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier)

Yeah I get he's being silly, but when you're young and non-british you can't tell the difference and you think he's actually serious so it's borderline creepy. Nowadays I get the humour and I love it.

I do love it sometimes, others I find it distracting. oddly the most genuinely affecting Stones moment for me is "Dead Flowers", a song Jagger reportedly could not/did not take seriously at all.

Track Listing for Reissue

Damn! The three-guitar lineup at its purest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=oBlLbNVBKCc

"Do You Think I Really Care" and "Claudine" = classic

The Some Girls bonus disc is the best Stones album since...Some Girls?

Sheer Heart Attack constantly referred to in this thread as being from 1977. It came out in 74. Kind of makes the discussion of it being influenced by punk irrelevant,as if the whole punk conversation on this thread wasn't irrelevant enough.

I wouldn't want to reopen the specifics of what we were going on about three years ago, but surely punk is very relevant to a Rolling Stones album in 1978. I looked up the Jagger Rolling Stone interview from that year, and there's this:

RS: Yet during that time you also wrote "Time Waits for No One," which really is a powerful, ominous, vatic song that no one commented on that much — as if it were a Seventies throwaway.

MJ: I liked it a lot. But I don't see things in terms of years — the Sixties, the Seventies — it's just a journalistic convention.

Punk rock, too. I don't want to get into the accusations that the Rolling Stones gave in or up or whatever. It's sort of vaguely true, but it's not really true. To me, rock & roll just goes back to the basic things. It doesn't exist because other people don't come across, it exists because kids want to get up and play very simple. The punk-rock movement said things to get a lot of copy. It's just an excuse to say that Rod Stewart lives in Hollywood and spends millions of dollars. It was just a good line. It wasn't the real reason punk rock existed.

I looked up the interview because I was pretty sure that the topic of punk would come up somewhere. But I expected it to come from the interviewer, not Jagger. I don't have any doubt that it was a subject very much on his mind at the time. This too:

http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1560468,1560905

and there's Jann Wenner's 1995 interview:

WENNER:
You came back, though, with “Some Girls.” Did that have to do, perhaps, with being in New York City?
JAGGER:
Yes, you are absolutely right! Well done! I’d moved to New York at that point. The inspiration for the record was really based in New York and the ways of the town. I think that gave it an extra spur and hardness. And then, of course, there was the punk thing that had started in 1976. Punk and disco were going on at the same time, so it was quite an interesting period. New York and London, too. Paris – there was punk there. Lots of dance music. Paris and New York had all this Latin dance music, which was really quite wonderful. Much more interesting than the stuff that came afterward.

Don't these opening lines specifically address/make fun of their situation with regards to punk?

Well now we’re respected in society
We don’t worry about the things that we used to be
We’re talking heroin with the president
Well it’s a problem, sir, but it can’t be bent

("But it can't be bent"? Cut-and-paste from some lyrics site...)

That's the way I hear it. And I have no idea how those lyrics relate to punk. Just cuz some girls came out in '78 and had some fast songs doesn't mean it's a "punk" record. The whole "punk" narrative, an example of which is contained in this thread, is so goddam overblown

Overblown, maybe, but not irrelevant. It seems so obvious. Besides the quote from Jagger above, here's Richards two years ago:

"Without a doubt, the punks certainly made us sort of look around and say, 'Oh my God, we've been around for 10 years already!' The energy of the punk thing affected Some Girls in many ways."

The Rolling Stones didn't make music in a vacuum. They seemed acutely aware of what was going on around them at every stage of their career--Brill Building pop, psychedelia, glam, reggae, disco, whatever. As far as "Respectable" goes, they seem to be either making fun of the punk view of them at the time, or reveling in it--you're right, we hang out at Studio 54 with Truman Capote and Andy Warhol now, take drugs with Margaret Trudeau, don't you wish you were us?

Or both.

dig this

But I don't see things in terms of years — the Sixties, the Seventies — it's just a journalistic convention.

the basic things

this record still siren calls all my most kneejerk cheeseball wastrel instincts

like to lay around all afternoon and eat cheeseballs you mean

that is not a terrible way to spend an afternoon

any daypart basically

been thinking about the songwriting of the earlier 70s albums lately, esp. 'sticky fingers', and i was struck by how many of their songs seemed to start over every 2 bars or so, probably due to being written around riffs, but to hide that fact through a lot of very musical interplay from the band, with people always playing around the main block determined by that riff rather than right in it, so that the songs always just seem very restive. nothing with the very stodgy architectonic feel of ~~~songwriting~~~ you can get from 70s rock. or more conventional pop songwriting's blocked-out feel. when they switch to definite 4-bar forms or something else, it becomes obvious that they do it not just because of the prosody in the lyrics, but because they opt for harmonic structures that make for more conventional rises and falls to mark out the bars.

which is maybe one of the many thrilling things about 'miss you', the basic cell is 4 bars and it's got this incredible boiling billowing motion to it because of the harmonic structure and because of the disco bass arpeggiating all over the place, but it's still being used the way they tended to use their 2-bar cells in an earlier period, with the guitars especially using the space created by the empty fourth bar after the 3-bar riff to make the song like a five minute rubato that still has that charlie watts motor underneath

One of the discoveries of the last twenty years is how many of the riff rockers were actually written by Mick.

Co-DJ'd a fan afterparty for this weekend's Stones concert. One of the turntable needles was acting up, skipping/skating/sticking on perfectly fine records and such, and of course one of the places it got stuck was on that line during "Some Girls".

woke turntable

^^I still laugh about that. It was a Kanye sample waiting to happen.

Reviving because I was today years old when I learned about the CBS version of the album cover from the '80s.

https://images.recordsale.de/600/600/therollingstones-somegirls(41).jpg

Ah:

A third version of the album cover with the hand-drawn faces from the original Valmore ad was used on the 1986 CD reissue.

Re-upping the reference to the videos from their live in texas '78 show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYvy3kBYN4Q

sexandsexandsexandsexandsex

shmatteshmatteshmatte

...some kind of fashion

Jumpin' Jack Flash on that Texas show is really hot.

I actually have this show on Blu-Ray, and the picture quality is stunning. (It was shot on film and they still had the camera neg well-preserved.) Worth owning, especially since I usually see used copies for less then $10.