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chaki otm upthread.

Lurleen looked fantastic in the beginning when she was barrel-racing. But the later perioxide look was horrid. maybe that's why jack started going to prostitutes.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

She looked like Stevie Nicks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

A friend just sent this. Shallow, but has a few yuks:

Who's Afraid of Riding 'Brokeback'?

BY JIM EMERSON
January 3, 2006

"Whoa, Nelly!" It seems that "Brokeback Mountain" has set off a tizzy of squeamish homosexual panic that's rippling across the nation! From critics to pundits to stand-up comics making sophomoric puns -- everybody's cracking the same lame and uncomfortable "gay cowboy" jokes over and over, but for different reasons, and I'm trying to keep track of it all. Let's see, over here we have those (mostly straight male critics) who think it's "not gay enough" (whatever that means) and might alienate its "core audience." And over here are those (mostly gay activists) who resent that the leads are ostensibly straight actors instead of gay ones.

And over here are some Kinsey 1-6 men and women wiping their eyes and noses on their sleeves. I don't think any of this other stuff would even be brought up now if "Brokeback Mountain" hadn't turned out to be such a darn good movie. And it's a Western, you know.

To me, what's been fascinating are the conflicted reactions of those who either do or do not want to see the movie in the first place: They're "afraid" to see it because of what it might reveal (to themselves or others) about their own sexuality; or they don't want to see it because they think it's a Hollywood plot to ram a "gay agenda" down America's collective throat; or they feel guilty about not wanting to see it because they're not homophobic, but they just don't want to watch two guys in love (even though they do like Westerns); or they want to go but they can't take a (female heterosexual) date (what would they talk about afterwards?) and they don't want to go by themselves or with another guy; or they want to wait until it's out on DVD because they don't want to see it, or be seen with it, in public....

Let's take a look at some examples of "Brokebackophilia" and "Brokebackophobia":

1) Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Heath? Bill O'Reilly (who amazingly thinks that "Spin" and "Talking Points" are two different things) told Michael Medved and Jeannie Wolf that he wasn't going to see it because he was "afraid." Of what, he didn't say, but it was apparently supposed to be a joke about his wooziness when it comes to... what? Horsies? Marlboro Men? Sheep? I dunno. So, then Larry "Not That There's Anything Wrong With That" David wrote a satirical op-ed in the New York Times in which he made fun of people like Bill O'Reilly (and himself), trying to find excuses for why he said he didn't want to see the movie:

I'm for gay marriage, gay divorce, gay this and gay that. I just don't want to watch two straight men, alone on the prairie, fall in love and kiss and hug and hold hands and whatnot. That's all.

Is that so terrible? Does that mean I'm homophobic? And if I am, well, then that's too bad. Because you can call me any name you want, but I'm still not going to that movie.

To my surprise, I have some straight friends who've not only seen the movie but liked it. "One of the best love stories ever," one gushed. Another went on, "Oh, my God, you completely forget that it's two men...." [...]

If two cowboys, male icons who are 100 percent all-man, can succumb, what chance to do I have, half- to a quarter of a man, depending on whom I'm with at the time? I'm a very susceptible person, easily influenced, a natural-born follower with no sales-resistance.
Fox's John "War on Christmas" Gibson (the guy with the biggest, gayest neo-Liberace helmut-pompadour blonde dye job you've ever seen) has announced again and again that he isn't going to see "the gay cowboy movie" (ha ha!) either, and was glad that Larry David, uh, "rode to [his] rescue." Funny guy. Funny ha-ha, I mean.

To me, this is the funniest part of the whole homosexual-panic reaction to "Brokeback Mountain" -- not just that seeing it or not seeing it is seen as a kind of statement, but that it's necessary for people to make a statement about seeing it or not seeing it. Some people not only feel defensive about not wanting to see it, but feel compelled to come out and announce that they don't want to see it. Does that mean they're really homophobic, or latent queer, or right-wing fundamentalists or all of the above? I "came out" recently about my (initially) unconscious resistance to seeing "King Kong" (it has to do with the 3-hour running time and my fear of feeling bad when they kill the big, sweet, furry galoot -- I don't like to see even CGI animals get hurt), but since when do people have to feel so guilty or conflicted about not wanting to see a movie? As it happens, Larry David's straight friends are right: Part of what's so good about "Brokeback Mountain" is precisely that it's a great movie love story and that you don't even think about playing stupid, reductive identity politics with the characters' lives.

(Anybody who thinks that "straight" and "gay" are permanent or exclusive binary options, or comprehensive definitions of human sexuality, will probably be surprised or confused by the movie anyway, because it doesn't make an issue of "gay" or "straight" identity or behavior. It's just a movie about the lives of these two guys who meet and work together and develop a friendship with benefits at a crucial time in their lives -- and, as with a lot of male friendships, that early on-the-job bonding becomes a life-long relationship. And, every once in a while, Jack and Ennis have sex.)

My friend John, whom I've known (entirely platonically!) for almost 30 years and who now lives with his wife Mary in Los Angeles, told me recently about a male friend of his who wanted to go see "Brokeback Mountain" but didn't know how. He knew he couldn't take a date. He didn't want to go by himself -- or with another guy (how would that look? he obsessed). So, John came up with the perfect solution: He invited his friend to accompany him and Mary.

"Great!" said the friend. "But if Mary cancels, I'm not going."

John, who's in the music industry, said: "This is the perfect DVD movie. It could be huge."

2) "Not gay enough" or "too gay"? "Brokeback Mountain" -- like "Munich," another one of 2005's best movies -- does not paint its characters in solid black-and-white. But that's exactly what worries some, who have been trying to predict whether (supposedly straight, "mainstream") audiences will find it "too gay" and be turned off, or whether (supposedly gay, activist) audiences will find it "not gay enough" (in a political sense) and be turned off.

In his "Straight dudes' guide to 'Brokeback,' " David White at MSNBC offers some advice to those who are worried about the "too gay" part:
You kind of have no idea how important it is for you to shut up. But it’s crucial. I was recently at a press screening for another movie and I overheard four guys in the theater lobby talking about “Brokeback.” They were resolute in their refusal to go see it and they couldn’t stop loudly one-upping each other about how they had no interest, were not “curious,” and were, in the words of the loudest guy in the group, “straight as that wall over there.” Oh, the wall with poster for the Big Gay Cowboy Movie on it? That straight wall? Well here’s something that everyone else now knows but that guy: he’s probably gay. Being silent marks you as too cool to care about how other men see you. It means you’re comfortable and not freaked by your own naked shadow. Did Steve McQueen go around squawking about how straight-as-a-wall he was? No, he didn’t. He was too busy being stoic and manly.
And besides:
It’s about 130 minutes long and 129 of them are about Men Not Having Sex.
And:
Dude, it's a western.... And the script was adapted by none other than Total Dude Larry McMurtry. That guy is the coolest western writer in the country. He wrote “Lonesome Dove.” You love “Lonesome Dove.” In fact, the only problem with remembering that it’s a western is having to ignore the fact that most westerns are about 1000 percent gay. If you think I’m making that up, just go watch “Red River” again.
I would add that "Brokeback Mountain" isn't even 10 percent as gay as "Top Gun" or "Jarhead," and that the man-on-man contact in both those films is much heavier and more explicit than any "stemming the rose" in "Brokeback."

Back in September, David Poland, over at The Hot Button, made a prediction after seeing "Brokeback Mountain" in the mountains of Colorado at the Telluride Film Festival:
I still think that there could be some backlash against the film since it depicts gay men (presumably, though one of the two men is clearly a happily active bi-sexual and the other seems okay with married life though obsessed with the other man, though not men in general) as unable to move forward, suppressed by society and the threat of anti-gay rage rearing its head. It's hard to imagine Larry Kramer or Andrew Sullivan going for the politics of this film.

On the flip side, I didn't find a gay man at Telluride who saw the film and was not a fan, including some very, very smart, fully out, sharp-tongued guys. [...]

In so many ways, "Brokeback Mountain" is not inherently political. It is a very old-fashioned romance....
More recently, in the Village Voice year-end movie poll, critic Steve Erickson said:
It's no surprise that a "Brokeback" backlash is coming, but the form it's taking is odd: straight male critics complaining it's not gay enough. They think a gay film has to prove — or at least aspire to — its outlaw authenticity. "Brokeback" is not just another story of tragic, helpless victims. Repression, especially the internalized variety, is the clear villain here. It comes in many forms: Straight people claiming the authority to determine queer legitimacy and then fetishizing it is one.
... while another critic, Nathan Lee, wrote:
If I hear one more straight critic complain that "Brokeback Mountain" isn't particularly gay, I'm gonna spit on my hand, lube up my ----, and ---- him in the ----. I'm only kissing if he looks like Heath Ledger, though.
Only Lee didn't use all those little dashes.

So, you may be shocked to learn that, despite what you may have been led to believe, "Brokeback Mountain" is not, in fact, all things to all people. I know, it's a wild concept. The movie tells a small-scale, narrowly delineated story, specific to these individual characters in their time and place, that makes no overt political claims -- except, natch, that it's part of a Hollywood conspiracy to promote a "pro-gay" agenda. It's also not particularly gay, although there's some of that in it.

Which brings me to my favorite "review" of "Brokeback Mountain" over at Red State Update. In a variation on SCTV's "Farm Film Report" with Billy Sol Hurok (Joe Flaherty) and Big Jim McBob (John Candy), Jackie Brole and Dunlap (played by Nashville comics Travis and Jonathan) discuss that new "King Kong" movie everybody's been talkin' about (the new one, not the old black-and-white one), and how it's nice to enjoy a good Western. What I think is particularly great about this hilariously inarticulate discussion -- which is sort of the whole "Brokeback" tizzy in a nutsack -- is that it's not just another stupid "gay cowboy" joke, but is more about the perceptions of moviegoers than it is about the movie itself.(Thanks to readers who sent in this link.)

3) "Is it breakthrough enough"? Finally, and perhaps most curious of all, is a commentary by my former Los Angeles Film Critics Association colleague David Ehrenstein, who points out that "Brokeback Mountain" is not a gay breakthrough like some are saying because it was preceded by many much gayer movies, and that those who say it's some kind of "gay breakthrough" are wrong because the movie is not what they say it is -- i.e., a "gay breakthrough" movie. Then he kind of bashes the movie for not being the very thing that he says it isn't:
Heath Ledger’s faithful Ennis Del Mar waits for Jake Gyllenhaal’s straying Jack Twist and his “fishing trip” invites just as Irene Dunne pined away for a “drop-in” from her married lover, John Boles, in 1932’s "Back Street." But we’re not supposed to speak of such things, living as we do in what Gore Vidal calls “The United States of Amnesia.” We’re instead encouraged to ignore the precedents shattered by three decades of truly groundbreaking queer films — with "Sunday Bloody Sunday" (1971) leading a pack that also includes "My Beautiful Laundrette" (1985), "Parting Glances" (1986), Todd Haynes’ "Poison" (1991) and "Velvet Goldmine" (1998), Gus Van Sant’s "Mala Noche" (1985) and "My Own Private Idaho" (1991), "Savage Nights" (1992), "The Long Day Closes" (1992), "Wild Reeds" (1994), "Urbania" (2000), "Les Passagers" (1999), Patrice Chereau’s "L’Homme Blesse" (1983) and "Those Who Love Me Can Take the Train" (1998), "Kinsey" (2004), and, just this year, "Tropical Malady" and "Mysterious Skin." No, what’s really supposed to be important is the saddle-packing same-sex equivalent of "Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner."

Newsweek’s Smith is simply agog at how “Gyllenhaal and Ledger don’t dodge it. The kissing and the sex scenes are fierce and full-blooded. But if the actors were taking a risk, they sure don’t seem to think so.” Goodness, you’d swear the thing starred Tom Cruise and Kevin Spacey.

And what about gay actors playing gay roles? Is it beyond their ken? Would they be open to accusations of “simply being themselves” rather than “really acting”? In a marvelously irreverent article published in The Guardian called “Gay for Today,” writer Philip Hensher put it best: “There are no gay actors — or at least, there weren’t until Nathan Lane, to everyone’s utter incredulity, came out. Of course, there were gay actors in America’s past — James Dean, Cary Grant, Dirk Bogarde, Rock Hudson, Danny Kaye. Plenty of them, in fact. But, for whatever reason, there’s hardly a single gay actor of recognizable stature working in Hollywood. An incredible fact.”
Maybe I missed the part where "Brokeback Mountain" announced it was a "gay breakthrough." (Oh, the marketers are also being criticized for downplaying the gayness -- even though there may not be enough -- in trying to reach a "mainstream" audience.) I agree with David that all the swoony talk about how "brave" this solidly classical movie is -- or the actors are -- is sheer sheep dung. But "Brokeback Mountain" is no pedantic liberal thesis movie like "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner." And it's not the movie's fault that some ignorami are writing about it as if it were. (David: Think "All That Heaven Allows" or "Ali -- Fear Eats the Soul," in the guise of a traditional, sexually and emotionally repressed Western. Is there any other kind -- "Johnny Guitar" excepted? I mean, while we're citing Todd Haynes and Gus van Sant, shouldn't we mention Douglas Sirk and R.W. Fassbinder and Howard Hawks and John Ford -- "Two Rode Together," indeed! -- too?)

As for the "gay actor" question, I look at it this way: We all know there are a lot more gay actors playing straight parts than straight actors playing gay parts. The big difference is that the gay actors pretend that not all of what they do is acting.

Hensher's catty comments are so disingenuous he reminds me of Austin Powers: "Yeah, and I can't believe Liberace was gay. I mean, women loved him! I didn't see that one coming." Surely there's no doubt that are at least as many high-profile gay (or Kinsey 1+) actors working in Hollywood as there've ever been. And just like those Hensher mentions from the past, most of them -- with the notable exception of "Lord of the Rings"/"X-Men" icon, Sir Ian McKellen -- are not "out" to the general public. But everybody in the movie biz seems to know who they are. Or, at least, they've heard some pretty good rumors.

Whether these actors want to officially come out on the job or not is up to them. I'd like to think it wouldn't hurt their careers at all, but I'm not going to blame them for shutting up if they think it would. Or if they just don't want to deal with the particular kind of media attention they'd be inviting. And, again, that's hardly the fault of "Brokeback Mountain" or Ang Lee or Heath Ledger or Jake Gyllenhaal. Don't hate them because they're pretty!

So, there you go. It's completely up to you if you want to see or skip the first sort-of gay but maybe not gay enough cowboy love story Western picture show. Just don't assume it's what anybody else tells you it is. Or isn't. You know what "assume" does...

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't think twice about going to see it alone. But then I go to see most movies alone, and I'm Kinsey 1+.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Same here (but re the Kinsey scale you'll have to remind me how it works).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

0 is exclusively straight, 6 is exclusively gay.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

if "Brokeback Mountain" hadn't turned out to be such a darn good movie. And it's a Western, you know.

No, and no.

A Western by definition is not centered solely on a romance. A manhunt, a cattle drive, defeating the railroad baron ... In fact, the romance usually is soured by/interferes with this objective. But cuz BBM has the right hats and scenes at rodeos, got-damn, it must be a Western.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

what definition?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Mine, obviously. But I'm trying to think of a Western that centers solely on a man-woman romance. Duel in the Sun? Lots of other stuff there, starting with race.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Rancho Notorious?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i think there's a good claim to be made that the "Western" as we understand it (as it was made from the 1930s to the 1960s roughly) does not really explain or include "brokeback mountain" -- but i just wanted to note that "by definition" is a bit of a weaselly phrase.

i do think the sort of pat critical pronouncement that "it's a western" is one of those mildly "shocking" statements that doesn't really hold water. so i'm basically agreeing with you.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

the western typically has a lot to do with civilization vs. the wilds, west/east, good/evil, etc. even if those dualities are confused/scuttled they remain the foundation for most of the films we think of as "WEsterns." so that would disallow Brokeback Mountain.

more to the point, what PURPOSE does calling this film a Western serve? not a very interesting one to my mind. yes, it's about the West. yes, it's about ranch hands in big hats. but it otherwise doesn't engage (critically or otherwise) with the "Western" syntax.... which is not a criticism.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link


OK. It's just that I notice critics who call it a Western would do the same for City Slickers, probably.

Rancho Notorious: But she made the wules on that wanch! Very political! Plus it has manhunt / suspense / climactic shootout elements, doesn't it? (It's been years.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I was recently at a press screening for another movie and I overheard four guys in the theater lobby talking about “Brokeback.” They were resolute in their refusal to go see it and they couldn’t stop loudly one-upping each other about how they had no interest, were not “curious,” and were, in the words of the loudest guy in the group, “straight as that wall over there.” Oh, the wall with poster for the Big Gay Cowboy Movie on it? That straight wall? Well here’s something that everyone else now knows but that guy: he’s probably gay. Being silent marks you as too cool to care about how other men see you. It means you’re comfortable and not freaked by your own naked shadow. Did Steve McQueen go around squawking about how straight-as-a-wall he was? No, he didn’t. He was too busy being stoic and manly.

This is brilliant.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, it has a "Western" milieu, but I'm with Amateurist in that it doesn't deal derive any themes from the tradition of American Westerns. If anything, it's descended from the unrequited gay teen love British movies of the 90s. (Not to slight Proulx's story, but hey.)

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Ya think? I'd say much more from early 20th century romance novels and movies about lovers who can't get together, usually for reasons of class (like what David Ehrenstein identified in that column that got him tons of gay hate mail).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The Proulx story, in form and execution, has more in common with the Western than the film.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say much more from early 20th century romance novels and movies about lovers who can't get together, usually for reasons of class

or like every melodrama ever made for that matter

(not a bad thing!!)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 6 January 2006 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i just found out that I had the definition of bareback wrong all these years.

-- ShawShank Rambo Connection

what did you think it meant?

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 8 January 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought this was pretty great after initially being suspicious of it, probably because i like the story a fair bit. I'm not sure if it was because it won me round but the second half seems much better than the first and packs quite a punch - i had a huge lump in my throat for the last 10 minutes.

the first half played out like a silent movie, if there had been no dialogue or sound you would have been able to follow the action quite closely, partly becasue the camera lingers so long on the charaters faces and because of how conventional Ang Lee's language is (i mean this in a good way). Also it has lots of those kinds of shots that act as foreshadowing devices ( As soon as Anne Hathaway's red hat comes off you know Jack is going to mary her) or to fill in for action off camera (shot of exterior of tent/ shot of clouda passing across the moon/ shot of jack and ennis holding hands etc), or which are just cliche'd shots used well (the rear view mirror as jack drives away from ennis).

another thing about the first half of the movie is that it doesn't communicate any overhelming passion or joy or even, apart from a brief scene witnessed by the boss, any fun between the men so that you are, to an extent, left wondering why the romance kicks off in the first place and why ennis, in particular, is so keen to revisit it 4 years later. i think you can look at that as a strength or a weakeness. it's possibly a strength in that the film maker is trying to communicate that there's degree of nostalgia (for simpler times without the commitment of wives and children to look after) that pulls the men back together.


The Performaces are all pretty good, especially Heath Ledger (to my amazement), Michelle Williams and Roberta Maxwell, incredibly moving in those brief scenes as Jack's Mother. Anna Hathaway isn't so much bad as miscast. Here's Annie Proulx's hilarious appraisal of Heath Ledger's Performance:

"Heath Ledger erased the image I had when I wrote it. He was so visceral. How did this actor get inside my head so well? He understood more about the character than I did. This isn't nice for a 70-year-old woman to say, but it was a skullfuck."

Skullfuck!

the film gets much stronger once it opens out to include other charaters. i thought the scenes with both Ennis's daughter and his new waitress girlfriend worked particularly well andit would have been nice to see more of them but, since Proulx herself says to little of them it, at least, stays true to her story.

Of course the key to Ennis's love for jack is that he never really appreciates the man until he's gone. there's a hint of this with the final scene at the lake but the film packs quite a punch in the beautifully judged scene where Ennis finds the shirts in Jack's room. i had to fight back the tears at this point. The final scene and the shot afteR Jack's daughter leaves the trailer are almost unbearably moving.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 8 January 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

what happened to Ennis' other daughter? Are we to assume (as I did) that they both know about him and the other one doesn't approve?

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 8 January 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

the first half played out like a silent movie, if there had been no dialogue or sound you would have been able to follow the action quite closely

The movie has been discussed so much that we've almost overlooked what it does superlatively well, of which that first scene is a fine example. It's pretty clear that Jack is cruising Ennis; what's remarkable is that Lee lets the scene play. It's been a long time since a mainstream film eschewed dialogue for cinematography, body language, and the sheer gorgeousness of the actors.

another thing about the first half of the movie is that it doesn't communicate any overhelming passion or joy or even, apart from a brief scene witnessed by the boss, any fun between the men so that you are, to an extent, left wondering why the romance kicks off in the first place and why ennis, in particular, is so keen to revisit it 4 years later.

During their idyll on Brokeback Mountain there are hints. Ennis gets upset when Aguirre calls them back a few weeks early. Their goodbye is very well acted: watch how Gyllenhaal tries to stay non-chalant and fails miserably.

Jack, the one most likely to live on Castro Street, seeks him out on a hunch. His moneyed married life was going nowhere; he takes a chance and sends a postcard to the last guy with whom he had any fun (it's clear he's interested in other men besides Ennis), with no hope that Ennis will respond.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 8 January 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

or like every melodrama ever made for that matter

(not a bad thing!!)

Nah, of all that genres that live on, I'm most ready to bury this one.

Sarah Schulman from Slate's year-in-culture summary:


Brokeback opened the door to a far more complex look at how homophobia destroys people's lives, the consequences of cruelty on gay people's emotional stability, and how familial homophobia is the place where much of this is enforced. Where the movie fell short was in the acknowledgement of gay subculture and rebellion. It seems unlikely to me that Jack Twist would have missed the existence of the gay revolution. All he had to do was turn on the television or go to church to hear about Anita Bryant and Gay Liberation in Dade County, or stumble onto the Gay Rodeo circuit, or go to a dentist's office to see Leonard Matlovich on the cover of Time magazine.

http://www.slate.com/id/2133842

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

It seems unlikely to me that Jack Twist would have missed the existence of the gay revolution.

Of course he didn't. Check out his sideburns and 'stache!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

loved it

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 January 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

as did my friend

said the music jarred a little in places tho; which I didn't notice

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 January 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

what's you love, cozen?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't like talking about love

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'm probably not much fun anyway"

"Ennis, girls don't fall in love with fun"

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.lynedoch.plus.com/lc_brokeback.jpg

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked the sheep then the movie

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate that "fun" line.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

it was fine

"I wish I knew how to quit you" was a little wishy-washier and whatever heath was saying, around that time, too, wasn't great but oh well

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

See, I hated the "I wish I knew how to quit you" sounded mawkish in the trailer (complete with different take by Jake) but sounded tough, bitter, and rueful in the context of Jack's kiss-off to Ennis.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

*I hated HOW

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM. in the trailer it sounds terrible. almost put me off.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i finally saw this... i thought it was great. the last shot (& music cue) was wonderful.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

"high-altitude fucks" rang badly, otherwise i thought the writing was very well pitched, getting a lot from very little.

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link

skullfuck

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

"high altitude fucks" was the one doleful reminder that the first third of the movie was supposed to indulge us with lots of Jake-and-Heath ass shots which, alas, didn't happen.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the last shot (& music cue) was wonderful.

totally

adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I wasn't sure about it until the last scenes with Alma Jr. and Jack's parents, but damn that was pretty amazing.

There were problems - neither wife had enough screentime to be either really good or really bad (though MW's eyes/reaction shots when she first sees Jack and Ennis were fantastic), and that same guitar line that played whenever they were together got annoying fast, but the strings that blended into white noise at other times were a nice touch.

In a way, I guess all the stuff upthread about it catering to hetero audiences and not being all that radical in its depiction of homosexuality, etc. is right, but I think that's because the gayness (as promoted) was a red herring. I saw a movie about longing and repression and being stuck in the same damn place your entire life, unable to save yourself or make a better life.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone remind me of the last shot? Put a spoiler on it if you have to. I tend to forget these things sometimes.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link

(According to my recollection):

The last shot: after Ennis buttons up Jack's shirt he looks at a postcard of Brokeback Mountain, mumbling "Jack, I swear..." then the camera pans away to the open window.

It is devastating. He's still keeping the love of his life in the closet.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

From Towleroad:


Last night's Tonight Show appearance by Heath Ledger was fairly remarkable, because Ledger and Leno managed to talk for a solid 15 minutes, much of it about Ang Lee and Brokeback, and never mention the word gay or anything approximating it.

Ledger: "I just looked at it as an incredible opportunity to play this, you know...complex, lonely figure..."

The omission seemed fairly obvious to me...


http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2006/01/talk_about_brok.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Anne Hathaway is my newest pointless Hollywood crush.

adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

don't know if the window's open or not but out of it is a pale yellow field and a strip of pale blue sky and, maybe, a bit of a pale dusty road

crosspost

nick and I were sure we recognised her from something else but imdb says she hasn't been in anything I'd have seen

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Not fans of the Princess Diaries, I take it.

See Havoc, in which she plays a brazen teenage strumpet.

adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

embarrassingly I don't quite understand the final line. I swear what? It could mean a lot of things. If that's the point then I guess I do understand it. But I thought maybe I missed something it was referring to, specifically.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link


Last night's Tonight Show appearance by Heath Ledger was fairly remarkable, because Ledger and Leno managed to talk for a solid 15 minutes, much of it about Ang Lee and Brokeback, and never mention the word gay or anything approximating it.

the movie goes for a solid two hours without mentioning the word gay!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link


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