"Mutant slow techno and Kevin Drumm records..." - A thread for Raime, Chasing Voices, Old Apparatus etc.

It's just a really shitty generalization. And yes, I am a bit of a 'goth,' in appearance and in musical taste, but a lot of what I think you might refer to as hamfistedness is just the costumery and camp affect of a lot of what some might call goth music. You are either into that sort of camp quality for whatever reasons, or you're just not. But don't fuck with goth shit, I will haunt your fucking soul.

I realize in retrospect that I didn't make it clear, but I wasn't referring to the music or the execution of the music when I said goth was hamfisted, and I think "hamfisted" is actually not really the correct word for what I was trying to say. (And it's not as if my collection doesn't contain quite a helping of stuff that could comfortably fit under a goth umbrella...) I meant that there are certain aspects of goth--what you described as "costumery and camp affect" included--that are hard for me to relate to. In any case, I didn't mean for my post to be an anti-goth screed, and I'll regroup and try to pinpoint more precisely why that interview irritated me.

the interview mostly made me laugh at home. so serious! I like the stuff I've heard from his label (tho found his RA "mix" boring), but it's hilarious to hear a dance label guy who writes for FACT disdainfully refer to clubbers as 'meat'. I like to imagine he looks like this:

http://deskofbrian.com/wp-content/uploads/stephen_dorff_blade_vampire.jpg

ugh... "home" = him (wtf)

I wish the stuff was campier, really

my friends saw tropic of cancer in san francisco a few nights ago and said it was sort of mopey

Their mission? To make you feel something.

We had similar—if not identical—tastes and backgrounds, similarly paranoid and pretentious dispositions, and perhaps most vitally we were all at the same point of disaffection, a point where we were finding more solace and succour in Earth 2 than in the latest internet dance fad.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000231085/polls_goths2_3801_974703_answer_4_xlarge.jpeg

At this point in my life I want to be provoked, I want to be romanced, I want to be made to feel stupid and confused all over again.

okcupid.com?

I think—no, I know—it was Greil Marcus, in one of his frightfully earnest essays about punk,

at this point i reached "cringing at smug twat overload" and stopped reading

^^^

http://batillusdoom.com/crustcake/images/earth2_399x234.jpg

L-R: ham fist, half wit, knuckle dragger

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"...a point where we were finding more solace and succour in Earth 2 than in the latest internet dance fad."

...so we decided to embrace the beautifully pure and un-internet-hyped Knackered House movement and give totally meaningful interviews on the non-internet-hype-oriented Resident Advisor website.

Curious what's up with Vatican Shadow being in on that mix. It's Dominick Fernow (Prurient, Hospital Productions) doing Muslimgauze worship/"Knackered House", and as far as I know he's only released under the hospital label. Would be interesting to see him getting pulled into this scene after Bermuda Drain.

oh and of course I missed that part that says he's releasing on BEB in the interview, heh.

you guys are scary. also, who came up with the "knackered house" term?

Andy Stott hisself I think: http://www.sonicrouter.com/2011/05/andy-stotts-modern-love/

Super slow, super filthy, submerged, broken house. Knackered house!

sighs, I wanted to get IA about this.

I absolutely love the Chasing Voices records (btw, another one is out soon: https://dopejams.pinnaclecart.com/vinyl/chasing-voices-another-walk/), most especially Acidbathory, but I'm not sure much of the rest of the stuff in the thread is doing it for me. The Chasing Voices stuff seems to have a bit more propulsion/forward motion while so much of this has the right sounds but is meandering.

I wish I could find that Acidbathory 12" for under twenty bucks

dead link btw

Try this, with the last slash:

https://dopejams.pinnaclecart.com/vinyl/chasing-voices-another-walk/

Is it really fair to poke fun at one's music-related pretensions on a thread titled "Mutant slow techno and Kevin Drumm records"? The BEB label founder may be a bit of a twat (find me a boutique label runner who isn't), but everything that guy said in print is the sort of stuff people say around here all the time, and I tend to agree with some of his musings. All I really care about is that I picked up a sick new Regis 12" with a cool sleeve photo of some guy getting street shanked from these guys. If it takes endless hours of goth wankery for them to deliver as much, so be it.

And maybe no one around here takes themselves this serious, but a Ryan McGinley photo of Ned in fingerless leather gloves holding a switchblade would still be hot!

is that really a ryan mcginley photo? i was about to start making dash snow RIP joeks but thought better of it.

I have no idea, but it sure looks like one.

oh cool

i am w/ you ... BEB is a sick label, just wish i'd never read that interview

Yeah just saying that a goth/industrial retread in dance music was inevitable, and long overdue. Since what, 2000 or so(?), we've seen relative dabblings and near misses (via music and/or aesthetics) by way of DJ Hell, Immer, Blackstrobe, the cold/new/no wave revival, witch house, dubstep, what have you. Goths always suffered taking themselves way too seriously, but that was part of the point. At least BEB are delivering a sense of authenticity, though they'd do so even more by saying even less.

What I initially loved about the early dubstep salvos was this sense of secrecy (Burial, Zomby, etc). Chasing Voices drops a nameless monster scary sounding 12" with an equally scary faceless Phantasm/Mob Rules/Jawa looking troll on the sleeve and I'm thinking WTF is this? So good!

All this recent darkness and mystery in EM is really fun and exciting to me and I love the idea of a DJ threading something from Raster-Noton and Planet Mu with something from Hospital Records.

And it's definitely interesting to me that old goth stalwart label 4AD is now releasing Zomby and Joker LPs...

right?

i do think there is a continuum of goth from very mysterious to livejournal-scale oversharing

...which was covered so well in Phil Sherburne's witch house musings:

http://phs.abstractdynamics.org/2010/11/witch_house_dj_screw_and_the_n.html

Thanks for the heads up on that new Chasing Voices 12" matt2.

Kanding Ray and Emptyset are playing together in some Shoreditch car park later this month: http://www.residentadvisor.net/event.aspx?280986

All this recent darkness and mystery in EM is really fun and exciting to me and I love the idea of a DJ threading something from Raster-Noton and Planet Mu with something from Hospital Records.

― The Cold Stare of Hamilton Fletcher, Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Seems like one of the future BEB releases would link said DJ set together nicely...

"I've put out four records so far, all nicely aligned with each other, but I'm not yet finished establishing the parameters of what Blackest music is. The next 12-inch is Raime's Hennail, then after that an EP of lavishly arranged existential fire from a young Scottish duo called Young Hunting, some incredible SM electronics from Dominick "Prurient" Fernow's Vatican Shadow project, and a few other things that I don't wish to name right now, including a terrifying modern recording of a traditional East Anglian folk song and the first ever vinyl edition of one of my all-time favourite albums—think dourly mystical British pop, a beautiful jumble of tape loops, primitive synths and sighing, sagging chamber instrumentation."

Really pumped for the new raime ep, the phenomenal material they played at the end of their XOYO gig isnt on any of the other releases so im hoping this will be what ive been waiting for

Theres a BEEB showcase at basing house in a few weeks with regis, raime, cut hands etc. Great little venue, its not been invaded by the same only k is essex boneheads as every other club in shoreditch so should be awesome. Turns out BEEB head honcho is a mate of a mate so im winging for an introduction. Its the same night as wolves in the throne room so im going to have a seriously doomy one

Seems like one of the future BEB releases would link said DJ set together nicely...

I actually just recieved a portion of the new Vatican Shadow material, Pakistan Military Aademy in the mail yesterday and it's surprisingly housey, especially the B-side of cassette 1, "Staccato bursts of Gunfire". I suggest checking it out if you can track it down (casettes are notoriously limited to editions of 33 or 125 and always sell out in a day through hospital)

New Raimie should be out in a month or so btw.

getting into muslimgauze territory here

The calculatedness of SUCH ridiculously small pressings/editions of things with these guys bothers me. I understand that it's a reaction to our diseased modern era of having everything at our fingertips, etc etc, but it would be nice not to have to go to such insane lengths to get one's hands on it. At my most cynical, I feel like it's a cheap and calculated way to imbue this stuff with an aura of ultra-specialness that the music on its own probably doesn't merit.

TBF it could be they can't afford to print larger pressings

I'd wager that it's a little from column a, a little from column b...

it is ominous that one reads that interview, gets a good laugh at the responses, and once the word 'Raimie' appears in coolhunting ilxor thread the instinctive reaction is to shout FIRST!

Clarke, are you familiar with the noise....uh...'community'? Fernow (aka Prurient aka Vatican Shadow) was borne out of that scene, and that scene has always been about limited releases, whether it be for mystique-building or economic reasons. Sorry to point out the obvious, but I don't know, the limited-release phenomenon has never really bothered me, except during my heavy heavy NNCK obsession days where I'd sit with five eBay windows open hoping to win my bid on a 75-edition CDR or whatever.

(In other words, there are always means of hearing the music. Kneel Before Religious Icons is easily downloadable, for example.

I'm not worried about finding the music, and I realize it's pretty much going to be at least downloadable these days, but I'm shamefully a bit of a vinyl fetishist myself, so that's my preferred medium when possible. Ha, maybe it's because I know I'm so susceptible to being the five eBay window guy myself that I just have to vent sometimes... I mean, just this afternoon I picked up the "highly limited second vinyl pressing" of the Rrose + Bob Ostertag 2xLP on Sandwell District for far too much money at Other Music. (Speaking of which, if you're a fan of the stuff on this thread, I would urge you to check out Rrose, and this record in particular... Perhaps not as overtly darkly gothic as some of this stuff, but it's unabashedly black/slate grey in its tonal palette, cavernously deep, and with almost unbelievably tactile synth grit--like tiny pieces of black hail skittering off of an oil slick.

For instance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btlt7ni5-n8

that rules

i met Bob at this gay bar a few months ago, and he said this was coming out, and i was like, "you're a big silver bear daddy and you're not wearing a shirt, you knew david wojnarowicz, and rrose is working with you on this record on Sandwell District? excuse me while i kiss your boots."

also yeah, it's a fabulous record.

also..."Kneel Before Religious Icons" is exactly what i want to be listening to right now.

I only just realised that I confused Hospital Records with Hospital Productions...

Not really sure how well it fits in here but went to see Anna Meredith play recently and figured some of you lot may be into it.