I was wondering today if there's a stat that calculates ERA in light of the fact that the later into a game a pitcher goes, the more tired he gets. Something that could take poor managing out of the quantification - maybe something that would weight late innings pitched in a game more heavily than early innings (so that the first inning pitched w/out runs isn't worth the same as the eighth inning pitched w/out runs). I don't think ERA already does this... is there something that does?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
I believe there is a "close and late" stat. Not just late in the game, but with a further provision that the effort is of high-leverage. Let me poke around.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
It looks like ESPN used to have it available as a "situational" statistic, but it's not showing up for 2011 data.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but Baseball Reference gives detailed inning-by-inning stats for every pitcher. They're not cumulative, though--you'd have to calculate that yourself. Verlander: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=verlaju01&year=2011&t=p. They also split a pitcher's line so you can see what he did in innings 1-3, 4-6, and 7-9. Verlander's ERA is 2.30 in 1-3, 2.60 in 4-6, and (smaller sample, but to me still amazing) 1.88 in 7-9. When they pull him out of a game in the 8th or 9th inning, they should bring him back in to close for himself.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 11:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2011/09/06/is-war-the-new-rbi/
discus
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
I found myself agreeing with a lot of this. There are too many weird year to year fluctuations in many players' defensive WAR numbers, I don't trust those numbers very much.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
dumb question i should look up but cant be bothered
whatever offensive element used by WAR - wOBA or something.. does it account for each situational at bat? with enough plate appearances it should all wash out but does it make a differentiation between going 3/3 w/ 2 BB against John Lackey and the same line against Justin Verlander?
shouldnt pitching WAR be cross-relational to batting WAR faced that day and vice versa?
― sanskrit, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
Just the fact that there are 2 different computations of WAR makes it clear that it's not "finished." xp
Neyer's response:
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/9/6/2408060/limits-of-war-zobrist-analysis
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy, this is what I meant re WAR 2 weeks ago; look at the first and scond tables here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2011-pitching-leaders.shtml
Halladay leads Lee in Pitching WAR (2nd list), but when their offensive and defensive contributions are added in (1st list), Halladay gets knocked down 0.1 and Lee is boosted 0.6.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 18 September 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
find your regional meeting on the map here (you don't have to be a member to attend).
http://sabr.org/sabrday
there are a few on Feb 2, like D.C. (which has Sean Forman and Tim Kurkjian).
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
happy SABR Day, what a fine occasion for the board's two dumbest football fans to knock each other cold.
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 January 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
once again, check your local here
https://sabr.org/sabrday
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 January 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link