JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

Will post the recap meanwhile for tuomas and other folks who just joined

Recap 250-1

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes
24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes
22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes
21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes
20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes

19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1
18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1
16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes
15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes
14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes
13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes
12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes
11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1

10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1
9 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes
8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1
7 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1
6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes
5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes
4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes
3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's
2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1

1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1's

also: love supreme is like bottom hundred in quality imo, not even top 5 coltrane

you totally went after this record ("smh@vocal mantras"), disparaging its presumed placement BEFORE IT HAD EVEN PLACED, and before anyone had said anything about it.

xp

im curious where the groundswell critically came for 'black saint' -- was there a particular critic who championed it? I know it was on some pfork list awhile back

one more time for reading comprehension, this is what I originally took issue with:
kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

you totally went after this record ("smh@vocal mantras"), disparaging its presumed placement BEFORE IT HAD EVEN PLACED, and before anyone had said anything about it.

xp

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:12 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok? i dont see how that implies i said there was no case to be made for it being good, in a general sense

pfork only noted it after it became the album

i thought it was always highly regarded yeah

if you've got an IaSW itch, there's nothing else that scratches it. or at least not that I've come across. i can't say the same about KoB (which I would've had #1) or Black Saint or etc etc

in the late 90s when I first got it it was my favourite of the 6cds i bought then i realised that a lot of people agreed with me (same with tribute to jack johnson) pitchfork like other big general critic sites were late to the party as usual

i thought it was always highly regarded yeah

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 5:15 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah but so is the bulk of his catalog. im just wondering how this became ~the one~

i mean you can say its just the quality of the album but usually someone makes some kind of case for it in the public discourse

y'know i think for me, i picked up black saint because i knew that someone from astral weeks played on it. i was obsessed with AW for a while, so I read everything I could find about it, and it mentioned Jay Berliner's involvement on Black Saint. I had several mingus records before that, but it's a big catalog, it was kind of hard to know what to pick up back in the day.

if you've got an IaSW itch, there's nothing else that scratches it. or at least not that I've come across.

Check out The Necks!

To me a very interesting choice for number 1 in a jazz poll. IASW, is not only jazz at the heights of abstraction and verging on "ambient", it was if i understand correctly very much shaped after the fact in the studio by Teo Macero's tape manipulation, Splicing and looping the bands source material. Which of coarse leeds to all kinds of ideas about the ascendance of the studio as an instrument, sampling and electronic music in the last quarter of the twentieth century.

It is also just an incredible Beautiful album

ok? i dont see how that implies i said there was no case to be made for it being good, in a general sense

jesus christ do I need to diagram this sentence for you, aren't you paid to write wtf

kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

the way this is written, the first phrase implies that the subject of the second phrase does not meet the same criteria, ie does not have a case to be made

xp

aaaanyway

kinda weird top 5 here - all great records but placings seem off to me. I like IaSW fine but it doesn't stand out to me like some of his other electric work does. is it just because it was first/shock of the new? I dunno

I'm looking forward to seandalai's poll of spiritual hats from the top 250 poll!

To me a very interesting choice for number 1 in a jazz poll. IASW, is not only jazz at the heights of abstraction and verging on "ambient", it was if i understand correctly very much shaped after the fact in the studio by Teo Macero's tape manipulation, Splicing and looping the bands source material. Which of coarse leeds to all kinds of ideas about the ascendance of the studio as an instrument, sampling and electronic music in the last quarter of the twentieth century.

Yep, supposedly there was only 16 minutes that Miles wanted to use, so Macero rearranged them into 30+ minutes. The box is utterly fascinating; you can hear the unedited performances, and whole major frequently-repeated themes are left on the cutting room floor (to Joe Zawinul's frustration).

btw shakey look at the # of points. It was really close. There was never really a huge jump in points between each album.

one more time for reading comprehension, this is what I originally took issue with:
kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah i mean ... this is my opinion? i think im right? obv in a literal sense anyone can make a case for anything. imo, there isnt a case to be made for ALS being trane's best record, to me, because i dont think its quite as good as village vanguard, live at birdland, etc,

this is a separate argument from my contention that w/in jazz discourse there's a general sentiment (or had been, at any rate, w the bulk of the writing i had read) that 'a love supreme,' despite being his most popular record, wasn't really his finest accomplishment.

this doesnt mean that i said NO CRITICS HAVE EVER MADE THE CASE

Awesome poll, happy with the #1, the whole top 10 in fact, great work. In A Silent way is just so beautiful, much as I love the later electric Miles albums I really think there's something special and perfect about that one. Also so much stuff to investigate - especially keen to check out the many Blue Note albums here I don't already know. Definitely doing some CD shopping tomorrow!

I wish unperson would post his thoughts on In A Silent Way

"Which of coarse leeds" is some kind of creative use of english huh?

i do think this is a v interesting no. 1 -- not partic spiritual hat, but not trad either. def doesnt fight the miles dominance of the poll tho lol

when i saw the first miles record that placed i was like, whoa, this is gonna be miles-heavy, but didnt realize how much so

fwiw i def prefer KoB & think there's a particularly unique & invigorating period for jazz that still retained a uniquely jazz sensibility, that didnt need to incorporate the encroaching populism of rock / funk etc., and for that reason remains probably the high water mark of miles' career to me

Aaaaand... relax. Thanks, Kerr and seandalai.

I love Mingus but have somehow never managed to hear the #2 album, so I hereby give carte blanche to everyone to tell me that my hep level is weak.

I love Miles but really, he's over-represented here at the cost of excluding others

but whatever

i dont think thats partic unusual emil.y! i def got into mingus through other records, was surprised when i saw it cropping up on like pfork or whatever

I love Miles but really, he's over-represented here at the cost of excluding others

but whatever

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:27 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah theres def a depth over breadth thing to the poll

im glad its miles, though

agree w/deej on KoB. If an alien asked me what jazz is, I'd play him KoB 1st. feel free to make a sun ra-alien joke here.

well, with Black Saint, it's almost like A Love Supreme -- maybe a rockist kinda thing? Not saying that in a negative way but maybe Black Saint is more of an "album" -- a cohesive whole, a concept-y record.

yah but so is the bulk of his catalog. im just wondering how this became ~the one~

it's got a very pretty cover with a quote on it

pretty sweet hat too

"Ascent" and "Early Minor" off of the complete IASW sessions are also beauties.

v earthy hat

yeah black saint is a statement whereas others may be easier to see as a collection of tunes

These artists had the following # of albums in the 250 (might be acts with 4 or 5 missing so its not definitive)

Sonny Rollins - 4
Alice Coltrane - 5
Grant Green - 5
Ornette Coleman -
Archie Shepp - 7
Pharoah Sanders -
Thelonious Monk - 8
Charles Mingus - 9
Sun Ra - 11
Herbie Hancock - 13
John Coltrane - 23
Miles Davis - 31

"Which of coarse leeds" is some kind of creative use of english huh?

Leeds can be pretty coarse on a Friday night

yeah black saint is a statement whereas others may be easier to see as a collection of tunes

rockism

Alice Coltrane had 5, I think.

miles davis vs the beatles would still get thrashed in an ILM poll, right?

rockism yes, someone already said that

man alice coltrane's star has def risen

Thanks to everyone for voting and discussing, I certainly learned a lot from the poll. I don't really want to get into the big metafight, but as a confirmed member of the spiritual hat club I do see where deej etc. are coming from - while I do love a wide spectrum of jazz, the dominant aesthetic through which I appreciate music is one that originally comes from listening to other genres rather than through a formal or informal "jazz education".

But as has been pointed out, it's an ILM poll. If we ran a classical music poll, nobody would be surprised when some posters dissent from the general consensus that Reich and Cage have more top-100 compositions than Mozart.

rockism yes, someone already said that

rockist to point this out imo

by which i mean i should have read the thread

thnx sd -- fwiw i felt like the discussion was worthwhile & i enjoyed hearing some ppl's perspectives on it for sure incl some of those who disagreed

rock is the best, though let's be real
rock vs. jazz poll coming soon.

haha oh god imagine a composers poll? (actually that would be a great poll and would be very enlightening ) but imagine the fighting

Year # of albums
1947 1
1950 1
1953 1
1954 3
1956 7
1957 17
1958 11
1959 10
1960 12
1961 14
1962 11
1963 18
1964 19
1965 18
1966 15
1967 13
1968 7
1969 17
1970 11
1971 8
1972 8
1973 7
1974 6
1975 6
1976 1
1977 1
1978 1
1980 1
1986 1
1990 1
1991 1
1994 1
2002 1

Bit of a blip in 1968 - what went wrong?