"Mutant slow techno and Kevin Drumm records..." - A thread for Raime, Chasing Voices, Old Apparatus etc.

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re: the Haxan Cloak's Observatory EP: the title track has been on repeat for the past few days... soooo making my life right now.

jizz inside of your nose (the table is the table), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

He has an album out now too

Number None, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i'm getting a check later today. once that clears, it's on.

jizz inside of your nose (the table is the table), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seen quite a few of these guys live, mostly awesome, though I somehow failed to realise that there is Haxan Cloak stuff actually available on physical format. D'oh.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's funny that my friend Bob's stuff has been reworked by Rrose. it seems so...unlikely a pairing when i think about Bob, but then i listen to the original Motormouth recordings and it makes perfect sense....

jizz inside of your nose (the table is the table), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

a little more dark dubstep or whatever, but it occurred to me that Sleeper fall into this with some tunes, maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIdqt8ORfgQ

jizz inside of your nose (the table is the table), Saturday, 3 September 2011 21:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seen quite a few of these guys live, mostly awesome, though I somehow failed to realise that there is Haxan Cloak stuff actually available on physical format. D'oh.

I keep picking it up and putting it down again in Resident. Any good? Review I saw a while back was comparing it to Ben Frost.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Saturday, 3 September 2011 21:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

'it' = the album

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Saturday, 3 September 2011 21:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

speaking of the new prurient, i really like its campiness— its kind of a new height of noise camp, imo.

jizz inside of your nose (the table is the table), Saturday, 3 September 2011 22:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I keep picking it up and putting it down again in Resident. Any good? Review I saw a while back was comparing it to Ben Frost.

― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Saturday, September 3, 2011

The album and 12" are both excellent but quite different from each other. The Ben Frost reference can be heard on the album for sure, but the 12" sort of stands alone.

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Sunday, 4 September 2011 11:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not as good as Ben Frost

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 4 September 2011 16:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

interview + mix of blackest ever black label dude

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1401

digging this guys schtick

missingNO, Saturday, 10 September 2011 09:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Schtick" is a fitting term for how he comes across in that interview, although I did enjoy it and get some good chuckles from it. His views are so well-articulated and thought-through that they read as scripted, and for a label that seems to want to offer a level of darkness and intensity they feel most contemporary dance music doesn't deliver, that surprised me.

Also, as much as I'm digging a lot of music discussed on this thread (especially Regis, at the moment), does it feel to anyone else, I don't know, a bit obvious? There's a certain hamfistedness with goth (in all its forms) that tends to prevent me from truly engaging with it, and much of this stuff just oozes hamfistedness. To be fair, though, I'm probably not his ideal fan; as he so charmingly writes: "Already I can see that more and more halfwits and knuckle-draggers are being drawn to Blackest Ever Black, but alas you can't choose who buys your records and hey, it's meat in the room." (We're all just fuckin' MEAT, man.)

(And do you ever feel like people who attack Mr. Conservative Dancefan Strawman with the most vigor are actually afraid deep-down that they might be one themselves?)

Clarke B., Saturday, 10 September 2011 12:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

actually happened to be listening to the regis ep right now. it fukken kills.

original bgm, Saturday, 10 September 2011 18:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm afraid I might be part of his well-defined target market. I would advice him to stop doing interviews.

wolves lacan, Saturday, 10 September 2011 20:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Clarke B., I'm sort of confused by you saying that ALL GOTH MUSIC IS LACKING DEXTERITY. Actually, not really confused, but more, "What the fuck is this guy on about?"

jizz inside of your nose (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 September 2011 04:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's just a really shitty generalization. And yes, I am a bit of a 'goth,' in appearance and in musical taste, but a lot of what I think you might refer to as hamfistedness is just the costumery and camp affect of a lot of what some might call goth music. You are either into that sort of camp quality for whatever reasons, or you're just not. But don't fuck with goth shit, I will haunt your fucking soul.

jizz inside of your nose (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 September 2011 04:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I realize in retrospect that I didn't make it clear, but I wasn't referring to the music or the execution of the music when I said goth was hamfisted, and I think "hamfisted" is actually not really the correct word for what I was trying to say. (And it's not as if my collection doesn't contain quite a helping of stuff that could comfortably fit under a goth umbrella...) I meant that there are certain aspects of goth--what you described as "costumery and camp affect" included--that are hard for me to relate to. In any case, I didn't mean for my post to be an anti-goth screed, and I'll regroup and try to pinpoint more precisely why that interview irritated me.

Clarke B., Sunday, 11 September 2011 13:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

the interview mostly made me laugh at home. so serious! I like the stuff I've heard from his label (tho found his RA "mix" boring), but it's hilarious to hear a dance label guy who writes for FACT disdainfully refer to clubbers as 'meat'. I like to imagine he looks like this:

http://deskofbrian.com/wp-content/uploads/stephen_dorff_blade_vampire.jpg

rockapads, Sunday, 11 September 2011 16:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

ugh... "home" = him (wtf)

rockapads, Sunday, 11 September 2011 16:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wish the stuff was campier, really

rockapads, Sunday, 11 September 2011 16:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

my friends saw tropic of cancer in san francisco a few nights ago and said it was sort of mopey

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Sunday, 11 September 2011 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Their mission? To make you feel something.

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Sunday, 11 September 2011 17:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

We had similar—if not identical—tastes and backgrounds, similarly paranoid and pretentious dispositions, and perhaps most vitally we were all at the same point of disaffection, a point where we were finding more solace and succour in Earth 2 than in the latest internet dance fad.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000231085/polls_goths2_3801_974703_answer_4_xlarge.jpeg

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Sunday, 11 September 2011 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

At this point in my life I want to be provoked, I want to be romanced, I want to be made to feel stupid and confused all over again.

okcupid.com?

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Sunday, 11 September 2011 17:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think—no, I know—it was Greil Marcus, in one of his frightfully earnest essays about punk,

at this point i reached "cringing at smug twat overload" and stopped reading

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Sunday, 11 September 2011 17:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^

Clarke B., Sunday, 11 September 2011 19:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://batillusdoom.com/crustcake/images/earth2_399x234.jpg

L-R: ham fist, half wit, knuckle dragger

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Sunday, 11 September 2011 19:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.boomkat.com/various/charts/KiranSandechart_Large.jpg

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mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Sunday, 11 September 2011 19:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

"...a point where we were finding more solace and succour in Earth 2 than in the latest internet dance fad."

...so we decided to embrace the beautifully pure and un-internet-hyped Knackered House movement and give totally meaningful interviews on the non-internet-hype-oriented Resident Advisor website.

Clarke B., Sunday, 11 September 2011 21:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Curious what's up with Vatican Shadow being in on that mix. It's Dominick Fernow (Prurient, Hospital Productions) doing Muslimgauze worship/"Knackered House", and as far as I know he's only released under the hospital label. Would be interesting to see him getting pulled into this scene after Bermuda Drain.

Ryan, Monday, 12 September 2011 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh and of course I missed that part that says he's releasing on BEB in the interview, heh.

Ryan, Monday, 12 September 2011 15:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

you guys are scary. also, who came up with the "knackered house" term?

wolves lacan, Monday, 12 September 2011 15:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Andy Stott hisself I think: http://www.sonicrouter.com/2011/05/andy-stotts-modern-love/

the wrong terry to fuckwit (DJ Mencap), Monday, 12 September 2011 15:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Super slow, super filthy, submerged, broken house. Knackered house!

sighs, I wanted to get IA about this.

wolves lacan, Monday, 12 September 2011 16:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

I absolutely love the Chasing Voices records (btw, another one is out soon: https://dopejams.pinnaclecart.com/vinyl/chasing-voices-another-walk/), most especially Acidbathory, but I'm not sure much of the rest of the stuff in the thread is doing it for me. The Chasing Voices stuff seems to have a bit more propulsion/forward motion while so much of this has the right sounds but is meandering.

matt2, Monday, 12 September 2011 19:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wish I could find that Acidbathory 12" for under twenty bucks

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 12 September 2011 23:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

dead link btw

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 12 September 2011 23:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Try this, with the last slash:

https://dopejams.pinnaclecart.com/vinyl/chasing-voices-another-walk/

matt2, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 14:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is it really fair to poke fun at one's music-related pretensions on a thread titled "Mutant slow techno and Kevin Drumm records"? The BEB label founder may be a bit of a twat (find me a boutique label runner who isn't), but everything that guy said in print is the sort of stuff people say around here all the time, and I tend to agree with some of his musings. All I really care about is that I picked up a sick new Regis 12" with a cool sleeve photo of some guy getting street shanked from these guys. If it takes endless hours of goth wankery for them to deliver as much, so be it.

And maybe no one around here takes themselves this serious, but a Ryan McGinley photo of Ned in fingerless leather gloves holding a switchblade would still be hot!

The Cold Stare of Hamilton Fletcher, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

is that really a ryan mcginley photo? i was about to start making dash snow RIP joeks but thought better of it.

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have no idea, but it sure looks like one.

The Cold Stare of Hamilton Fletcher, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh cool

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

i am w/ you ... BEB is a sick label, just wish i'd never read that interview

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah just saying that a goth/industrial retread in dance music was inevitable, and long overdue. Since what, 2000 or so(?), we've seen relative dabblings and near misses (via music and/or aesthetics) by way of DJ Hell, Immer, Blackstrobe, the cold/new/no wave revival, witch house, dubstep, what have you. Goths always suffered taking themselves way too seriously, but that was part of the point. At least BEB are delivering a sense of authenticity, though they'd do so even more by saying even less.

What I initially loved about the early dubstep salvos was this sense of secrecy (Burial, Zomby, etc). Chasing Voices drops a nameless monster scary sounding 12" with an equally scary faceless Phantasm/Mob Rules/Jawa looking troll on the sleeve and I'm thinking WTF is this? So good!

All this recent darkness and mystery in EM is really fun and exciting to me and I love the idea of a DJ threading something from Raster-Noton and Planet Mu with something from Hospital Records.

The Cold Stare of Hamilton Fletcher, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

And it's definitely interesting to me that old goth stalwart label 4AD is now releasing Zomby and Joker LPs...

The Cold Stare of Hamilton Fletcher, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

right?

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 18:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

i do think there is a continuum of goth from very mysterious to livejournal-scale oversharing

mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 18:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

...which was covered so well in Phil Sherburne's witch house musings:

http://phs.abstractdynamics.org/2010/11/witch_house_dj_screw_and_the_n.html

The Cold Stare of Hamilton Fletcher, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 18:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the heads up on that new Chasing Voices 12" matt2.

Kanding Ray and Emptyset are playing together in some Shoreditch car park later this month: http://www.residentadvisor.net/event.aspx?280986

All this recent darkness and mystery in EM is really fun and exciting to me and I love the idea of a DJ threading something from Raster-Noton and Planet Mu with something from Hospital Records.

― The Cold Stare of Hamilton Fletcher, Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Seems like one of the future BEB releases would link said DJ set together nicely...

"I've put out four records so far, all nicely aligned with each other, but I'm not yet finished establishing the parameters of what Blackest music is. The next 12-inch is Raime's Hennail, then after that an EP of lavishly arranged existential fire from a young Scottish duo called Young Hunting, some incredible SM electronics from Dominick "Prurient" Fernow's Vatican Shadow project, and a few other things that I don't wish to name right now, including a terrifying modern recording of a traditional East Anglian folk song and the first ever vinyl edition of one of my all-time favourite albums—think dourly mystical British pop, a beautiful jumble of tape loops, primitive synths and sighing, sagging chamber instrumentation."

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Thursday, 15 September 2011 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink


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