quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

I mean I don't know where you teach but look up what the tuition was in 1980 and 1990

forks I did the math above & you're wrong; 20 hours a week at minimum wage at $7000 tuition a year is all you need to graduate without tuition debt, & you can expect living expenses to be at most the same cost at tuition, unless you're going to school in a ridiculous place in which case lol you.

milo z: 17 full-time work weeks just to pay tuition doesn't seem out of reach

I say this having worked through college (wanted the experience) & knowing that most of our students here do the same & do just fine

it's true that having a kid while you're in college fucks this up royally, but I'm hesitant to say that's a reason to university costs are too high

xp not $4500 a semester; at my uni $7000 a year

Frankly, college is also out of reach for a number of people because it's still not even on the radar. In a larger high school, you almost need at least one counselor doing full-time college application work, talking with students about how to apply for scholarships, doing workshops on how financial aid works and what options are. If the kids' parents aren't really there, or don't know anything about this stuff because they're busy working and they didn't go to college, then you have a lot of inertia keeping these kids in a place where college doesn't even seem like an option.

iatee: a degree from a public u might "sometimes limit your options post-graduation" but so does $120,000 in debt.

yes I agree, I went to a public u and I think (almost) everyone should! but it can limit peoples' options if you're intent on grad school, various high-paying careers etc.

and again, as far as $ goes - you're for the most part limited to the schools in your state, many of which are getting quite expensive so the fact that your school is (relatively!) cheap doesn't help anyone who doesn't live in that state

maybe we should take this to a new thread?

which states are known for having shitty public u's? alabama?

20 hours a week at minimum wage at $7000 tuition a year is all you need to graduate without tuition debt, & you can expect living expenses to be at most the same cost at tuition

hopefully this isn't you but I decided to google a random, probably comparable school, and went w/ the university of nebraska - this was their tuition per unit (before the recession! now it's 208)

1997 $78.50 4.7%
1998 $82.75 5.4%
1999 $87.25 5.4%
2000 $92.00 5.4%
2001 $101.25 10.1%
2002 $111.50 10.1%
2003 $128.25 15.0%
2004 $143.75 12.1%
2005 $151.00 5.0%
2006 $160.00 6.0%
2007 $169.50 5.9%

not too far off!

SUNY Albany (the flagship public uni of NY iirc) has tuition the same as my state, about $7000 per year.

binghamton is usually considered the flagship iirc

the article i posted scares the shit out of me btw because it hits a little too close to home

WHAT!@??!? That cost DOUBLED in 10 years!! I'm pretty sure wages have, by some measure, actually declined in that same time so it's MORE than doubled.

Does anyone want to argue that it was artificially low to begin with and this increase is somehow warranted?

it's only artificially low if you believe that the public shouldn't invest in education

d's right tho this should be a new thread

I will start it one sec

ok Binghamton's pretty much the same

xp ok will go there

There's a bigger issue than the cost, though - the lack (or, often, perceived lack) of academic/writing/social/disability/ELL support and outreach for first-gen college attendees.

generation limbo: 20-somethings today, debt, unemployment, the questionable value of a college education

oaky

talking about rich people only itt

milo z: 17 full-time work weeks just to pay tuition doesn't seem out of reach

last post, then other thread:
The math is all sorts of nonsense (it doesn't factor in Pell Grants or other aid, many students who will be waiters who average more like $12 after taxes in flyover land, etc.), but it does highlight that a self-funded public university education isn't a piece of cake.

Working students still considered dependents for FAFSA are the most fucked - IIRC half of my income as an 18-year old was expected to go to my school. I only made $24k busting my ass waiting tables, but that effectively denied me any kind of aid without taking into consideration the EFC.

It's been my experience that employers will actively discriminate against those with higher degrees, either out of insecurity, to take advantage of a "better, more thankful" workforce, or because they (speciously) claim that more educated people 'wouldn't be happy' in X job.

many law school grads have found this out the hard way.

well you want someone whos gonna stay at a job, and people w/higher degrees/aspirations will only stay until they get that better job

i have trouble getting jobs because interviewers think "he's so fucking handsome, he'll just go somewhere else because ppl love him so"

at least that's what my mom says

ive had that trouble too, suxx

hard being pretty *sighs*

mookieproof's mom thinks I'm handsome, too!

then you can be the one to explain to her what her 'wipe out santorum' badge really means

lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/nyregion/affordable-housing-project-divides-woodstock.html?_r=1

“It’s like if you can’t afford to live in Aspen, you don’t go to Aspen,” said Iris York, who lives near the project site. “You live where you can afford to live and where the jobs are. Go to Aspen and say, ‘What are you doing to make this affordable?’ — and they’ll laugh at you.”

*the legacy of The 60s*

Also: “It’s politically incorrect to oppose an affordable project, so you can’t even look at it,” said Robin Segal, who has a doctorate in energy policy and who moved to town two years ago in search of a garden and peace and quiet.

oh shii

1992 called and it wants its attitude back

Out on the road today I saw a deadhead sticker on a cadillac.

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Little voice inside my head said, "Don't look back, you can never look back."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/business/media/discovery-woos-the-man-with-cash-for-cars-sports-and-fancy-toys.html

When Discovery Communications set out to reformat HD Theater, the nine-year-old home of high-definition documentaries, its executives assessed the crowded cable programming landscape and asked what was missing — where there was “white space,” as one later put it.

What was missing, they decided, was a channel for the Rich Man — the successful, college-educated man who earns $150,000 or more a year and who wants to know how to spend his time and money.

That’s how Velocity was hatched. Replacing the low-rated HD Theater on Oct. 4, Velocity is being billed as a high-end men’s lifestyle channel about fast cars, fancy auctions and football stars. On Monday, the channel will announce that its first three months will feature 140 hours of programming premieres, a high number that reflects the channel’s need to be sampled by its chosen demographic.

If you are college-educated and make $150k+ and don't know how to spend your time and money please report to re-education camp for sterilization and liquidation kthxbye.

can they call the channel 'white space'

tbh usually you solve that problem by paying people to tell you what to buy, or at the lower end of that income, buying what salespeople recommend.

Channel will be useful to figure out who gets rounded up first, Come The Revolution.

'fancy auctions'

man if theres anything that workaholic men love its fancy auctions believe me

^^^ I actually saw this channel at a hotel last week! I could not figure out what the deal was--there were these shows that were like antiques road show except for cars and boats.

eh it's a pretty common thing, tho. when people who reach a certain income level and want to project their status, they rely on specific media to instruct them in what their taste & values should be. see also: most fashion & lifestyle magazines

hearty lols @ "white space" tho

When I was a kid I used to buy the Robb Report for the cars.

the Financial Times has a section just called "How To Spend It" which serves this noble purpose for FT readers- it's a win/win because advertisers LOVE this shit, and you can always cruise it from below if you're actually middle class- same fake it til you make it vibe as the old 80s "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" show imho

people like that do exist; they inherit their money

I would buy a lot of expensive vegetables like hop asparagus and truffles.