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My heart of silk
is filled with lights,
with lost bells,
with lilies and bees.
I will go very far,
farther than those hills,
farther than the seas,
close to the stars,
to beg Christ the Lord
to give back the soul I had
of old, when I was a child,
ripened with legends,
with a feathered cap
and a wooden sword.

- Federico Garcia Lorca

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 May 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

these ways of feeling
won't do. neither the eyes nor the fingers.
nor those warmed-up leftovers, memories,
nor kindness, like an evil little parakeet.
take the inductive reasonings and the racks
where the washed and ironed words are hanging.
ransack the whole house, everything out,
leave me like a hole or a stump.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 17 May 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

clearcut - julio cortazar

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 17 May 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Wee, sleeket, cowran, tim'rous beastie,
O, what panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murd'ring pattle!
I'm truly sorry Man's dominion
Has broken Nature's social union,
An' justifies that ill opinion,
Which makes thee startle,
At me, thy poor, earth-born companion,
An' fellow-mortal!

I doubt na, whyles, but thou may thieve;
What then? poor beastie, thou maun live!
A daimen-icker in a thrave 'S a sma' request:
I'll get a blessin wi' the lave,
An' never miss't!

Thy wee-bit housie, too, in ruin!
It's silly wa's the win's are strewin!
An' naething, now, to big a new ane,
O' foggage green!
An' bleak December's winds ensuin,
Baith snell an' keen!

Thou saw the fields laid bare an' wast,
An' weary Winter comin fast,
An' cozie here, beneath the blast,
Thou thought to dwell,
Till crash! the cruel coulter past
Out thro' thy cell.

That wee-bit heap o' leaves an' stibble,
Has cost thee monie a weary nibble!
Now thou's turn'd out, for a' thy trouble,
But house or hald.
To thole the Winter's sleety dribble,
An' cranreuch cauld!

But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!

Still, thou art blest, compar'd wi' me!
The present only toucheth thee:
But Och! I backward cast my e'e,
On prospects drear!
An' forward, tho' I canna see,
I guess an' fear!

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Milton, right? ;-)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Not Milton...me. I wrote it after several cocktails, thus the weird spelling thing.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:06 (nineteen years ago) link

you're very good.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I had forgotten that the "mice and men" phrase was from Burns. it seems appropriate just now.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The dream went like a rake of sliced bamboo,
slats of the dust distracted by downdraw;
I woke and knew I held a cigarette;
I looked, there was none, could have been none;
I slept the years and I woke again,
palming the floor, shaking the sheets. I found
nothing smoking. I am awake, I see
the cigarette burn safely in my fingers. . . .
They come this path, old friends, old buffs of death.
Tonight it's Randall, the spark of fire though humbled,
his gnawed wrist cradled like his Kitten. 'What kept you so long,
racing your cooling grindstone to ambition?
Surely this life was fast enough. . . . But tell me,
Cal, why did we live? Why do we die?'

Scott & Anya (thoia), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Lowell, Notebook, School, 2 Randall Jarrell

Scott & Anya (thoia), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Al patro, kvin klaftojn profunde,
la ostoj igxis koralo,
du perloj okulas subfrunte,
kaj lin ne trafos disfalo,
sed mara metamofozo
en ricxo kaj kuriozo.
Marnimfoy lin sonorilas ofte.
(Ding-dong.)
Awd'! Sonorilo. Ding-dong. Softe.


(translated by K. Kalocsay)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i like that Lowell piece, esp that winding first sentence.

what language is that translated to/from, chris?

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

To me, that man is like a god -
more than a god, if I can say it -
who, sitting opposite you, again and again,
sees and hears

you sweetly laughing, when all my
senses have been torn from me: for, Lesbia,
as soon as I see you I've nothing left
[...]

but my tongue is choked, my limbs
shiver aflame, my ears
echo with their own ringing, my eyes
shroud in night.

Leisure, Catullus, is bad for you:
at leisure you luxuriate and lust too much.
before now, leisure has ruined kings
and great cities.


Catullus 51, translated by me (with much (poetic) licence. pls to forgive).


Casuistry, is that in Esperanto, or?

cis (cis), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

That is Esperanto, yes. (If you're trying to sound it out, pronounce "j" as "y", "gx" as a soft "g", and "cx" as "ch", "aw" as "au", and always stress the penultimate syllable.)

It's translated from English, but now I'm going to get all coy.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

light spreads darkly downwards from the high
clusters of lights over empty chairs
that face each other, coloured differently.
through open doors, the dining-room declares
a larger loneliness of knives and glass
and silence laid like carpet. a porter reads
an unsold evening paper. hours pass,
and all the salesmen have gone back to leeds,
leaving full ashtrays in the conference room.

in shoeless corridors, the lights burn. how
isolated, like a fort, it is -
the headed paper, made for writing home
(if home existed) letters of exile: now
night comes on. waves fold behind villages.

philip larkin - friday night in the royal station hotel

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Casuistry - Is it from a full esperanto trans of the Tempest, or just on its own? (actually, a production in which Ariel's songs alone are in Esperanto could be really neat.)

cis (cis), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

It's from a full translation.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

...
Or the occasional pear on the dashboard
of the unreliable Austin Cambridge
waiting after school when he was on mornings
that my father brought me,
breiefly suspended between un- and over-ripe,
between being and non-being,
like the arc of a dive a series of instants
but indivisible, leaving only ripples,
perfume.

(from Ghost of a Pear by Ayala Kingsley)

Archel (Archel), Friday, 21 May 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I love how much that one extra word gives, so that it doesn't end on it's metaphorical other "the dive", but manages to bring us back closer to the object "the pear". It's put together well, I think.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 21 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"After I'm Dead"

Tell them
I was a persimmon eater
who liked haiku

--Masaoka Shiki, the fourth "great master" of haiku (the other three are Basho, Buson, and Issa)

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 22 May 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

That's a pretty good one, there.


Amatory Epigram
(to Aristotle or Ignatius Loyola)

I'd have to be drunk to fuck around with you
And sober to live
Therefore I am dying

[Bernadette Mayer]

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Feast"

I drank at every vine.
The last was like the first.
I came upon no wine
As wonderful as thirst.

I gnawed at every root.
I ate of every plant.
I came upon no fruit
So wonderful as want.

Feed the grape and bean
To the vintner and monger;
I will lie down lean
With my thirst and my hunger.

--Edna St. Vincent Millay

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 22 May 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

[...]
You were supposed to tell them

what they'd missed; they'd read your
logics, your letters. So little space

between your letters, the words couldn't
easily air themselves. Remember going back

and forth between the rooms? Blue,
green; the wings had been adjusted.

You were meant to take black
netting off a face or two. Take

something. Passion brought you
here; passion will save you.

"Air For Mercury" - Brenda Hillman

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 22 May 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry but it's only 14 lines: "Ants on the Melon"

Once when our blacktop city
was still a topsoil town
we carried to Formicopolis
a cantaloupe rind to share
and stooped to plop it down
in their populous Times Square
at the subway of the ants

and saw that hemisphere
blacken and rise and dance
with antmen out of hand
wild for their melon toddies
just like our world next year
no place to step or stand
except on bodies.

Virginia Hamilton Adair

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 22 May 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Lean out of the window,
Goldenhair,
I hear you singing
A merry air.

My book was closed,
I read no more,
Watching the fire dance
On the floor.

I have left my book,
I have left my room,
For I heard you singing
Through the gloom.

Singing and singing
A merry air,
Lean out of the window,
Goldenhair.

-James Joyce, Chamber Music

Fred (Fred), Saturday, 22 May 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Dance"

In Breughel's great picture, The Kermess,
the dancers go round, they go round and
around, the squeal and the blare and the
tweedle of bagpipes, a bugle and fiddles
tipping their bellies, (round as the thick-
sided glasses whose wash they impound)
their hips and their bellies off balance
to turn them. Kicking and rolling about
the Fair Grounds, swinging their butts, those
shanks must be sound to bear up under such
rollicking measures, prance as they dance
in Breughel's great picture, The Kermess.

--William Carlos Mofo Williams

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 23 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you, B2D, this was marvelous to read this morning :)

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Sunday, 23 May 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Luing

When the day comes, as the day surely must,
when it is asked of you, and you refuse
to take that lover's wound again, that cup
of emptiness that is our one completion,

I'd say go here, maybe, to our unsung
innermost isle: Kilda's antithesis,
yet still with it own tiny stubborn anthem,
its yellow milkwort and its stunted kye.

Leaving the motherland by a two-car raft,
the littlest of the fleet, you cross the minch
to find yourself, if anything, now deeper
in her arms than ever - sharing her breath,

watching the red vans sliding silently
between her hills. In such intimate exile,
who'd believe the burn behind the house
the straitened ocean written on the map?

Here, beside the fordable Atlantic,
reborn into a secret candidacy,
the fontanelles reopen one by one
in the palms, then the breastbone and the brow,

aching at the shearwater's wail, the rowan
that falls beyond all seasons. One morning
you hover on the threshold, knowing for certain
the first touch of the light will finish you.

- Don Paterson.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 24 May 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that poem would be even better without the first and last stanzas.

Today's poem, by Aram Saroyan:


priit

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 May 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Tell With Severity, I Think What I Feel"

I tell with severity, I think what I feel.
Words are ideas.
The purling river passes, and not its sound,
Which is ours, not the river's.
So I wanted my verse: mine and not-mine,
To be read by me.

--Ricardo Reis

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Now that we've come to the end
I've been trying to piece it together,
Not that distance makes anything clearer.
It began in the half-light
While we walked through the dawn chorus
After a party that lasted all night,
With the blackbird, the wood-pigeon,
The song-thrush taking a bludgeon
To a snail, our taking each other's hand
As if the whole world lay before us.

[Paul Muldoon, 'The Avenue']

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 07:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure we need all the vowels either.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 10:43 (nineteen years ago) link

'A Life-Exam'

[...]

12. Have you broken the following Ten
Commandments? Answer each just yes or no.

[...]

24. With a view to bioengineering suggest at
least six names for new animals...

[...]

36. Describe the onset of your first period. OR
Avoid this subject entirely.

[...]

- Robert Crawford

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there a link for the complete text of that last one?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

[I once did a found poem out of the MMPI-2 (Minnesota Multi-phasic Personality Inventory.) One of my worksop classmates returned it with the True/False answers all filled out.]

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"Seducer"

One strokes the leg of a chair
Until the chair moves
And gives him a sweet sign with its leg

Another kisses a keyhole
Kisses it O how he kisses it
Until the keyhole returns his kiss

A third stands aside
Stares at the other two
Shakes shakes his head

Until it falls off

--Vasko Popa

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish, Chris.

I was browsing the poem in the bookshop and it's tremendously funny / hurtful (which is rare for Crawford - he usually writes opaque, 'interesting' poems, or not very good ones.)

If I find it anywhere online (I doubt it), I'll post up the link.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The Rain Comes Down As Tears

Or does it? Is nature exactly aligned with grief?
Is the window, washed in rain, an echo of sadness and despair?
I should mourn the hands that built it, long gone,
and the faces that have pressed against it,
and then ask, and then compare.

Breath leaves its imprint, the sure symbol of blood
being pumped, a soft and malleable canvas born
from the first and last action our
bodies will ever perform.
I could use my finger to write this onto the glass:
Save me, I am here, God is coming.
And then breathe once more
and watch it all disappear.

Something has been lost, I know
that much. I would like to feel a shiver of response at least.
A wind through orange and purple and countless leaves or
for everything to fall down at once.
I would like to know how to rustle, how to bend,
how to sway. How to grow crooked and survive.
How to give and die as if it were
the most natural thing.

A riot of color is fragmented in cracked wood.
The slow descent of rain from
purged clouds sounding upon fogged
glass and my own breath upon it,
like everyone before.

I would like to know that I did it,
that I completed the task,
that I did say I love you one last time.
That breath can be on breath
Long after the last is taken.

Now the window is to my left.
The storm has progressed
and rumbling comes over the roof and in.
One real second resuscitates the view.
Breathing at all is a small matter
as this illumination occurs. An instant
when all seems both right and wrong
with the world.

aimurchie, Friday, 28 May 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i will post a better poem next time - now stop your stunned silence.

aimurchie, Friday, 28 May 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

You didn't even say whose poem it was.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 29 May 2004 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Striking to see JJ on a poetry thread.

I know the Nipper's Muldoon pome quite well. I suppose I am not keen on it really because it reminds me of Muldoon's sexually-fuelled arrogance.

But it makes me think that it may be time for me to start my long-delayed Muldoon thread.

the pomefox, Saturday, 29 May 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, my. Thanks for the Popa, B2D...

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Sunday, 30 May 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

and your muldoon thread?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 30 May 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I am in the midst of moving, and I keep on finding things...I had a few editor positions with upstart zines that made me respond emotionally to the offered poems. here isone found for me poem, that I think translate to the greater art:

"At a bit of a loss...
my good friend and budding genius
joined the Hare krishna following.
I hope he finds god and all that
because I don't expect to ever find him again.
Swallowed up
by the machine of religion,
his orb controlled by diet.
They say his last words were:
"I don't know, these people are real nice..."
Goodbye, Eric.
I'm sorry we weren't as nice as rice."

LMcMamara


aimurchie, Monday, 31 May 2004 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Not only did I not say my last sentence right, but it is LMcNamara. Sneezing, drinking, moving old stuff around. Because i'm moving, I am beginning to HATE books. I will start a thread.

aimurchie, Monday, 31 May 2004 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

'I am packing my library. I am.'

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 31 May 2004 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link

untitled poem by Alberto Caiero, written on 7 May 1914

I see a butterfly go by
And for the first time in the universe I notice
That butterflies do not have color or movement,
Even as flowers do not have scent or color.
Color is what has color in the butterfly's wings,
Movement is what moves in the butterfly's movement,
Scent is what has scent in the flower's scent.
The butterfly is just a butterfly
And the flower just a flower.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 31 May 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, the springtimes needed you. Stars now and then
craved your attention. A wave rose
in the remembered past; or as you came by the open window
a violin was singing its soul out. All this
was a given task. But were you capacious
enough to receive it? Weren’t you always
distracted with expectation, imagining
these hints the heralds of a human love?

Duino Elegies - R.M. Rilke, trans by John Waterfield

bnw (bnw), Monday, 31 May 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

.... Terrible
Are the blasphemous wars and savageries I
Have lived through, animal cruelty
Loose like a flame through the whole world;
Yet here on Flower Sunday, in a soiled

Acre of graves, I lay down my gasping roses
And lilies pale as ice as one who knows
Nothing is certain, nothing; unless it is
My own small place and people, agony and sacrifice.

--Leslie Norris, THE DEAD (after the Welsh of Gwenallt, 1899-1969)

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 31 May 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link


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