Sonic Youth new album "Rather Ripped"

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Sort of sad to see they didn't include "The Neutral." That's quickly becoming my favorite Kim song ever. But it's only the first show, so maybe it will make an appearance.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, nice to see "sunday" on there ... 'a thousand leaves' needs the attention. i've always felt they avoid their recent material too much live. it's been fine, they've been fantastic almost every time i've seen them in recent years, but so many of those 'thousand leaves' songs (e.g. "wildflower soul," "hits of sunshine," "karen koltrane") totally kill live.

rajeev (rajeev), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I figure those four Kim songs that were unplayed featured Kim on guitar, and this show was only the four of them without an additional bass player.

i've always felt they avoid their recent material too much live.

Wait, you mean the most recent oldies, right? Because they always play most of/all of whatever is the newest record in any given show since Evol. I figure they cut the most recent material because they play it to death every show for a year or two, and they might just need space from it before coming back to it again. In the case of NYC Ghosts, that album wasn't popular, so I think that played a role in why those songs (except for a few rare performances of "Nevermind") were not played on the Murray Street or Sonic Nurse tours. However, all of the Murray Street songs except for "Sympathy For The Strawberry" and "Radical Adults..." were played on the Sonic Nurse tour - "Empty Page" and "Rain On Tin" quite often.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, exactly, just the recent oldies. they've played tons off the newest album every time i've seen them, along with a core set of classics. you're right on much on 'murray street' making it into the 'sonic nurse' shows, i partly ascribe that to jim being in the mix.

i guess it's 'washing machine' and 'thousand leaves' that i miss the most. might have something to do with their gear being stolen (sadly).

rajeev (rajeev), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't most if not all of the stolen gear actually recovered within the last year or two?

Matthew, since you're the expert on this, what are my chances of actually witnessing "Teenage Riot" or "Titanium Expose" on this tour?

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"Titanium Expose" is very unlikely - that hasn't been done since the Goo period, and I don't feel like it's a likely song to make a comeback. The only Goo songs that have been performed since 93 have been "Kool Thing" and "Mote."

"Teenage Riot" is one of the most common oldies, and I figure your chances are fairly good. However, it was pretty common on the Sonic Nurse tour, and so it might be less common this time around. I figure they might switch back to "Silver Rocket" or "Candle" for a Daydream-era Thurston tune. "Eric's Trip" is extremely common, if you're into that one.

Commonly (and less commonly) played oldies in the past few years include: "Bull in the Heather," "Skip Tracer," "100%," "Sugar Kane," "Drunken Butterfly," "Kool Thing," "Mote," "Teenage Riot," "Candle," "Silver Rocket," "Eric's Trip," "Kissability," "Schizophrenia," "Catholic Block," "Pacific Coast Highway," "White Cross," "Cotton Crown," "Expressway To Yr Skull," "Tom Violence," "Shadow of a Doubt," "Brother James," "Making The Nature Scene," "Inhuman," "The Burning Spear," and "She Is Not Alone."

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a few songs that I'm kinda rooting for, in terms of oldies that haven't been aired in a long time. I'd love to see some more Washing Machine material, but I think that there's equipment issues there. But aside from that, "Stereo Sanctity," "Tuff Gnarl," "The Sprawl," "Theresa's Sound-World," and "Starfield Road" would be really good selections to go with the Rather Ripped material.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and "I Love Her All The Time"!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd be all about "Tuff Gnarl."

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"'cross the breeze" would blow my mind. "theresa's sound-world" would be really nice too.

rajeev (rajeev), Sunday, 23 April 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

saw them at roseland ballroom, nyc, and they played "starfield road" and it was unbelievable. it's weird cus that distorted phasing thing lee (?) does is such a good hook!

also, i do hope they play neutral on the tour. it's definitely my favoirte cut on the new disc. there's something "fresh" sounding, whatever that means, about it. it's really uncluttered and kim doesn't seem to be trying too hard. that sex-kitten thing is very unbecoming for someone her age and she doesn't really do that on the new one at all. and that's just one reason why they still matter. they never became parodies of their early-90s years.

kevinod (odtron5000), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

say, is 1991: The Year Punk Broke on DVD at all? I demand a reissue!!

kevinod (odtron5000), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Neutral" is almost Byrdsian during the verses, which is a term I never thought I'd use to describe a Sonic Youth song.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

The Year Punk Broke is part of the DVD reissue campaign they announced a couple years ago, along with the Goo video and the Screaming Fields video. I don't know if any of those have come out yet, though.

has there been any indication of which song, if any, has been picked to be the single from RR?

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 23 April 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

dunno, but it's fun to take a guess right?
i'm gonna pick "incinerate" though "jagged brain" has some really beautiful intricate guitar work at the end and, again, kim nails it.

how weird that bull in the heather was the single from ejstans? there are far more hookier songs on it.

kevinod (odtron5000), Sunday, 23 April 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not weird at all! "Bull In The Heather" is one of their biggest hits, and I know it's a very fondly remembered song by a lot of people who were teens when it came out. It's not hooky in the sense of having a really melodic chorus or anything, but it's definitely got very memorable rhythmic hooks. When they play it live, it always gets a really good reaction.

"Jagged Brain"?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"Bull In The Heather" is pretty weird but also somehow accessible, it was definitely the song that first convinced me to buy an SY album after hating "100%".

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm wondering what Kevinod thinks would be a better single from that album. "Self Obsessed and Sexxee" was supposed to be a follow-up single, but I think they were right to not bother. It's a good track, but it doesn't really command that much attention. "Bull in the Heather" worked really well because it didn't sound anything like any other songs going around at the time and emphasized the "wow, Sonic Youth are really interesting and out there" notion, which is pretty much their key selling point.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"jagged brain" has since been renamed "what a waste"
a radio edit of starfield road, cutting down on that into, would have been a good choice. would be short too.

kevinod (odtron5000), Sunday, 23 April 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

er, jams run free. i'm retarded.

kevinod (odtron5000), Monday, 24 April 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

argh! "jagged brain" it's labeled on my copy but is now "jams run free."

kevinod (odtron5000), Monday, 24 April 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Starfield Road" is only 2:15 on the album, and the vocals don't come in til after one minute!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I would guess that the single for Rather Ripped is either "Reena" or "Incinerate," leaning more towards the former.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Pitchfork rated the new single, Incinerate.

Sigh....7 more weeks then.

Darren Skuja, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, when Pfork reviews "singles" it does not mean the song is actually released as a single. It just means they are reviewing an individual song.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

"Starfield Road" is only 2:15 on the album, and the vocals don't come in til after one minute!
-- Matthew C Perpetua (perpetu...), April 24th, 2006.

still, i'd say it's more radio-friendly than bull, even if it has more sonic youth elements in it. isn't the point of a single to try and lure more people to buy the record? to me, starfield and, point taken, self-obsessed are more accessible: guitars still conforming to sy's noise aesthetic but scrubbed clean a little bit. even that delay or phased guitar loop on starfield is a riff. then again, those distorted harmonics on bull are riff-y. opinions..like assholes..yadda yadda.

kevinod (odtron5000), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Not to plug my own shit too much, but as per the conversation further up the thread about "Turquoise Boy"'s similarity to the Thurston solo track "Altar Boy, Church Basement," I posted both songs on my blog.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't the point of a single to try and lure more people to buy the record?

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mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"Oh, when Pfork reviews "singles" it does not mean the song is actually released as a single. It just means they are reviewing an individual song. "

I didn't know that! Thanks!

Darren Skuja, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

they called it rather ripped becz loaded was already taken.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 30 April 2006 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

also "do you believe in rapture?" is good, but it'd be better if it ended with like kim getting rapturized and thurston being all like, "whaaaat? you promised!" and kim shouting tearful wailing "i'm sorry, i tried to save youuuuu...." as she and coco are borne aloft on pillowy wings.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 30 April 2006 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG this is great! Fun and mostly light and chill and summer and lemonade. Thanks, Sonic Youth, for making my Top Ten shortlist struggle a little tougher.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 May 2006 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Interestingly, the overwhelming majority of the lyrics on this record were written by Thurston Moore. Of the five Kim songs, she only wrote the lyrics to two, and co-wrote the words for "What A Waste." There is definitely precedent for this - I know that Thurston wrote the words to "The Ineffable Me," for example - but it's still an interesting detail.

If you scan down, they put up lyrics to two forthcoming b-sides, both of which seem pretty fascinating to me.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

A promo arrived in my inbox yesterday. The sleeve's pretty hot -- same artwork but silkscreened in a high-gloss, enamel-esque ink.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Thurston wrote the lyrics to "Starpower," too. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote more lyrics for Kim songs than is publicly known.

wow, new b-sides, when's the last time they released b-sides that were non-album songs and not instrumentals or covers? the last I can remember is the Washing Machine-era "My Arena".

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

"What a Waste" hits the WB tonight.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12679452/

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"The show [Gilmore Girls] has such a positive vibration about it that we can only benefit from basking in its glow." - Thurston


haha

Cee Bee (Cee Bee), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

That is a grebt quote!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

tonight's GG is gonna be our quincy punk episode.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Once the disconnection notice is recieved it's all over. Is this not a given?

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Long thread so maybe it's been mentioned but while i haven't heard Rather Ripped there was that Helen Lundeburg 7" that was released. I listened to both songs, and it sounds like Thurston has been listening to the first Christian Death album, perhaps musically speaking, not lyrically.. which is fine with me!

Does this jibe with the sound on the rest of the new album?

DOQQUN (donut), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm guessing no, not at all! But I haven't heard those two songs.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG COCO ON BASS

mts (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

So far this sounds really, really good. I'm really digging "What a Waste" ("you're so chaste," yum!), "Rats," and "Incinerate."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Thurston wrote the lyrics to "Starpower," too. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote more lyrics for Kim songs than is publicly known.

-- Alex in Baltimore (shipley.a...), May 9th, 2006.

I have a version of "Starpower" w/ Thurston doing vocals. Kim on vocals obv more interesting.

Took a listen to RR; tho it sounds warmer + pleasing, more focused than any recent SY thing I've heard, I'm not too sure if it will stick to the ribs. That's all, please resume spamming of thread...

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

bump for non-search-function-using noob

warmer + pleasing, more focused

this is my take as well, i am really into the rapture song although this:

"do you believe in rapture?" is good, but it'd be better if it ended with like kim getting rapturized and thurston being all like, "whaaaat? you promised!" and kim shouting tearful wailing "i'm sorry, i tried to save youuuuu...." as she and coco are borne aloft on pillowy wings.

is one of the funniest things I have read around here in months.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to this at the local record store... it kinda sounds like Easy Listening Daydream Nation With Thurston Sounding A Bit Rozz Williams-ey, which makes this sound really bad, but it isn't at all.

It's not a super-dynamic album.. it definitely has a consistent tempo and volume... which is perhaps the point. Granted, I came into the store halfway through the album, so I maybe I missed a raucous first half...

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

It's really good, even better than Sonic Nurse.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link


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