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4. Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Werner Herzog, 1973

Points: 262
Total Votes: 19
First Place Votes: 1

Jed_: I just saw Aguirre and it's insane. watching it made me hate all those widescreen pretty-beautiful epics that are ten a penny. it's so fucking real-looking. anthony minghella please watch a Herzong film then give up or kill yourself. obviously Aguirre is astonishing to look at but makes you realise, to an extent, that most films are just cinematography and lightning with actual direction and vision and depth waaaaaaay down the list. films are too beautiful now. all surface no feeling.

Jeff-PTTL: Where to begin? I find it almost impossible to talk about my favorite film of all time. The opening shot just kills me everytime, it's the start of a constant barrage of goosebumps that don't end untill Kinski is surrounded by monkeys.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

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3. The Godfather, Part II
Francis Ford Coppola, 1974

Points: 285
Total Votes: 19
First Place Votes: 2

Pete Scholtes: The Fredo drama and the Cuban sequences redeem the lackluster killings, the romanticized De Niro Corleone, and one very shaky plot point: What exactly is Fredo's complicity in the attempt on Michael's life? Did he tell his enemies what bedroom Michael was sleeping in? Open the gate to let the gunmen in? What?

Jimmy the Mod: overlong but an appropriate end to the saga, III notwithsanding.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

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2. Annie Hall
Woody Allen, 1977

Points: 316
Total Votes: 22
First Place Votes: 3

Pete Scholtes: I don't even want to use the phrase "romantic comedy." This is best comedy about love that I can think of. How did Allen pull it off? By remembering a great relationship. By establishing right off that his view of his life is skewed. By recognizing his foibles (he's bigoted, pseudo-intellectual, snobbish, schtick-prone, mildly self-hating, and roundly and passively hostile). By still making you care about him, and by making his great love stand in for all relationships remembered with fondness. By going about it all with the playfulness of a filmmaker just discovering what he can do, and finding he's willing to try anything.

Jimmy the Mod: makes New York the most romantic place in the world, Diane Keaton an oddball ideal, and proves that Los Angeles really DOESN'T have anything going for it. Woody never got better.

Jedidiah: Woody Allen's greatest moment. He has been both funnier and more poignant, but never in the same film

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

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1. Taxi Driver
Martin Scorsese, 1976

Points: 317
Total Votes: 22
First Place Votes: 1

Pete Scholtes: It's all about the long stare into that glass of Alcaseltzer.

DG: Right at the end, after Travis drops Cybil Shephard's character off, there's this odd moment where he catches himself in the mirror, and well, it's just odd. I've always taken it to mean everything from him being dumped up till then is just some bizarre power fantasy, which would explain how he gets off scot-free for the shootings. If this is correct, this would make the second half just a 'dream', and therefore a bit of a GCSE drama project ending - and therefore dud. But I could be wrong...

Jonathan: The strange ending only adds to it's uniqueness. Robert de Niro, Jodie Foster, Harvey Keitel and a sick cameo from Scorcese himself. What more could a boy want?

Michael G Breece: 'Taxi Driver': earnest portrayal (basically, based on the writer Schrader himself - is why it is earnest) of a loser/loner type in America. Sure, it goes far overboard at the end with the "cool anarchist mohawk" bullshit and the shoot-em-ups and all that jazz, but...it's a Hollywood type of thing. It should've been left to a more earnest ending, fitting to the realistic loner/loser portrayal built-up. In reality, that character (a frayed coward at hear) would have just stayed in his crappy little apartment more as he spent the rest of his time driving the taxi. Nothing less/nothing more than that, basically. Until some other little "hottie" turned his eye, then it would all go round and round again.

Joe: Actually, one of my favorite little moments in the movie is when the dispatcher asks Travis: "Education?" and Travis responds blankly, "Oh...some...here and there...", and then it cuts back to the dispatcher's reaction.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

~fin~

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

morbius = pwnd

don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

bravo...... although taxi driver at #1 makes me meh.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks to Jeff for his work in putting this together. I thought there were some peculiar inclusions and omissions, but nothing that doesn't fall within the realm of idiosyncrasy. I guess the single most surprising omission to me is American Graffiti.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Gee, too bad there weren't any more Coppola-directed '70s films to squeeze into the top 10.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you jeff - have loved this thread.

foxy boxer (stevie), Sunday, 11 September 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, thanks. Fun.

Who's doing the '60s?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 11 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

102-266:
Sleeper
Chloe in the Afternoon
Master of the Flying Guillotine
Performance
Phantasm
Scanners
The Taking of Pelham One Two Three
Grease
La Grande Bouffe
Smile
Nosferatu
The Man Who Would Be King
Little Murders
The Creeping Flesh
Wise Blood
Spirit of the Beehive
Sweet Movie
The Optimists of Nine Elms
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
What's Up, Doc?
Slapshot
Ciao Manhattan
Phantom of Liberty
Catch-22
Duel
Quadrophenia
Two-Lane Blacktop
Chinese Roulette
Holy Mountain
House of Mortal Sin
Pocket Money
The War at Home
Saturday Night Fever
Buffet Froid
Fox and His Friends
Jonah, Who Will Be 25 In The Year 2000
La Maman et La Putain
Phantom of the Paradise
Radio On
Being There
200 Motels
Jeremiah Johnson
Lancelot Du Lac
Love on the Run
Millhouse
The Bad News Bears
The Hellstrom Chronicle
The Magic Flute
Tout Va Bien
Bananas
The Brood
Death Race 2000
Goin' Down the Road
The Adventures of Picasso
The Concert for Bangladesh
The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser
Weekend
National Lampoon's Animal House
The Jerk
3 Women
Hearts and Minds
Phase IV
The Chant Of Jimmy Blacksmith
Welfare
Xala
And Now For Something Completely Different
Capricorn One
Death Line
Magnificent Butcher
Murmur of The Heart
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Even Dwarfs Started Small
High Plains Drifter
Interiors
Lone Wolf and Cub: Baby Cart at the River Styx
Save The Tiger
Shaft
The Tin Drum
Who Is Harry Kellerman And Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things About Me?
Animal House
36th Chamber of Shaolin
Assault on Precinct 13
Little Big Man
Live and Let Die
Satan's Brew
The Candidate
Tristana
Thieves Like Us
Dirty Harry
1900
American Boy
Bad News Bears
Blue Collar
Deep End
O Lucky Man!
All That Jazz
American Graffiti
Bedknobs and Broomsticks
Deep Red
Deliverance
Dersu Uzala
Enter The Dragon
Eskimo Nell
Killer of Sheep
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot
Marathon Man
The Man Who Fell To Earth
Detective Doberman
New One-Armed Swordsman
Sweeney!
The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes
The Omen
1941
Airport
Bugsy Malone
Jubilee
Night Moves
Sweet Sweetback's Badassssss Song
10 Rillington Place
Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Kings of the Road
Last Picture Show
Mad Max
Serpico
Straight Time
The Five Venoms
Turkish Delight
Two English Girls
Fist of Fury
House of Whipcord
Juggernaut
Kramer vs. Kramer
Prime Cut
Rocky
Silver Streak
The Bamboo House Of Dolls
The Spirit of the Beehive
Foxy Brown
Rollerball
Female Convict Scorpion Jailhouse 41
Killing of a Chinese Bookie
The China Syndrome
The Heartbreak Kid
The Longest Yard
Time After Time
Coffy
Halloween
Escape from Alcatraz
Junior Bonner
Marriage of Maria Braun
Mr. Majestyk
The Ballad of Cable Hogue
The Great Rock And Roll Swindle
Ulzana's Raid
Westworld
Brewster McCloud
Bed & Board
Charlotte's Web
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Norma Rae
Over the Edge
Shivers
The Hot Rock
The Marriage of Maria Braun
THX-1138

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

and now I see my first mistake. I had the enigma and mystery of kaspar hauser as two different films. That would push it up to 64 between Close Encounters and Walkabout with 45 points and 4 overall votes. How could I cheat Werner like that????

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

just a warning in case people are about to rent/buy these: the DVD of Aguirre could use a lot of video improvements (it's faded and blurry, and the shots of it in My Best Fiend look a lot better) and the cheapo DVD of Annie Hall I have isn't so hot either, although I've heard there's an improved version out.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Sunday, 11 September 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

As a matter of interest, The Spirit of the Beehive, The Marriage of Maria Braun, The Bad News Bears and Animal House are all listed twice in the runner-up list. The Last Picture Show is also listed. Should that not change its current place in the top 100?

, Monday, 12 September 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

results may vary and appear closer than they appear in mirror.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 12 September 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

okay Last Picture show would move up to 72 between In the Realm of the Senses and Blazing Saddles. Or just ignore anything above the top fifty.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to purrnt out that there are only one point of difference between #1 and #2.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The lead character's haircut? I'd have said that I could spot one or two more differences than that, though obviously they are almost identical, yes...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I meant their scores. (And since I'm here, I might say that Female Trouble is the most WTF top 10 in any of these polls so far, in a good way.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

A Woman Under the Influence: I can go listen to my insane married friends fight anytime.

The Conversation is the Garret Anderson of '70s films: most overrated
"underrated."

How did News From Home sneak in there? I don't think I've even read about it.

Apocalypse Now would have a shot at being one of the 5 best films of the decade if Coppola cut it down to a short about Kilgore and the Air Cavalry titled "Charlie Don't Surf."

>morbius = pwnd<

Happily, I am still Luddite enough to have no fuckin idea what that means.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the idea of the overrated underrated, and I've used it myself--my template is Joe Rudi rather than Garrett Anderson, someone who seems genuinely overlooked to me, whereas Rudi got loads of publicity in the early '70s for a few doubles and a .264 lifetime average--but I don't think the tag can be hung on The Conversation. I was heartened to see it rank so high, but typically it still gets overshadowed by The Godfathers and Apocalypse Now, even though I think it's much better than Apocalypse, and, while not an epic like The Godfathers, it probably achieves something closer to perfection.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Heavy-handed Catholic guilt, bah. Plus you can't tell me he didn't use a DIFFERENT sound take for the last "He'd kill us if he had the chance." Cheating!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Coppola did cheat, agreed. I think it can be justified, though, because when we hear the quote all the way through the film (until the very last time), we're hearing it through Harry's ears; it's an extremely subjective film. I think it makes for a thrilling reversal when we hear the words the way they're actually said for the first time. No thoughts on your Catholic guilt complaint, but I don't think the film's heavy-handed at all.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Jeff, this has been a welcome distraction from New Orleans.

I was Gene Hackman from The Conversation a few years ago for Halloween, so I like it enough for that.

But I rented it a few days ago and my problem with it (once again) is that it just doesn't make sense (spoilers to follow): So the Harrison Ford character hired Hackman to record a conversation Ford knew was going to happen, and which the murderers knew was going to be overheard? Why not just record the conversation without Hackman?

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're not kidding, that might be the funniest Halloween costume I've ever heard of--excellent. Is there a store that specializes in anonymous gray raincoats?

I love the film so much, and get so caught up in it, I've never even stopped to ponder the logic. I guess I've always assumed that while Hackman is technically hired by Ford, it's with Duvall's knowledge; we hear Duvall say "You want it to be true" to Ford, which I take to mean that Ford initiated Hackman's hiring as a way to prove to Duvall that there's a plot against him, that Duvall approved the project, and that now they're sitting around weighing the evidence. I don't think Cindy Williams and Frederic Forrest were aware they were being taped. That would make Ford the really shadowy and unknowable figure--aligned with Duvall at the beginning, but keeping quiet and keeping his own proximity to the company's seat of power intact when the plot to kill the emperor succeeds and power is transferred.

I don't know, maybe that's wrong. But with The Conversation so steeped in the Watergate moment (accidentally; it's well known that Coppola wrote the script years earlier), I think a little mystery concerning the film's internal logic works well. The real-life parallel is why Nixon never burned the tapes, something that continues to puzzle everyone.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Just a follow-up thought. Beginning with the often cited question of how we know what Kane's last word is when no one else is in the room, I think you could probably uncover faulty, or at least questionable, points of logic in some of the greatest films ever made. If I like a film enough, I'm generally not bothered a great deal by these inconsistencies. I'm not saying they're unimportant--the question Pete Scholtes raises about The Conversation is a good one, central to the whole movie, and I'm still running it through my mind--but they're one part of something much larger and, hopefully, much richer.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I should have said "how the world knows what Kane's last word is," not how we know--we know because we're in the room with him. Duh.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Knawing curiosity: Would Animal House/National Lampoon's Animal House and The Bad News Bears/Bad News Bears have placed if the votes of each film were combined? I'm surprised neither made it.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Jimmy the Mod: We'd better be counting the original version and not the cheapened, showy, Jabba-steppping-Han-Shoots-First version.

You mean "Gredo-shoots-first," right? On a related note, I also notice that the Jaws swimmer's breasts are less visible on the DVD art than they were in the original 1975 poster. These things matter.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and in defense of Wonka hate: I'm with you on the Oompa Loompas, and even Gene Wilder's performance. But this is an evil movie, not just a dark one. The kids from The Bad News Bears would have/should have poured into the factory and kicked Wonka's ass.

I seem to remember Gene Wilder regreting that he made the film because it was "anti-child," but can't place the source...

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Charlie in the original movie is an asshole. He ignores Wonka's advice just as much as the other kids; no reason why him and his grampa (and what a judgemental asshole THAT guy is, "Veruca finally got to go first", fuck off!) shouldn't have been punished for drinking that soda, since similiar actions resulted in a fucking *death sentence* for everyone else. Mostly Charlie gets by due to having no personality and never actively questioning anything (look how eagerly he signs Wonka's contract!)

But then, you know, "Looney Toons" is pretty fucked up, moralitywise, too (how many times does Bugs torture his foes in a manner of total overkill that isn't at all justified by the small infraction that they've made? That's without mentioning the times when it's entirely unprovoked), and I wouldn't want that erased from my childhood.

"Taxi Driver" is a good movie.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does Duvall still go to the hotel alone after hearing about the plot? And didn't the hotel report the seeping blood to the police? And how exactly is cindy williams' character related to Duvall: wife or daughter? ah well, i prefer it this way. answers aren't always revealed in real life, either... conversation is my favorite movie, by the way (tied with Husbands).

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

No Grey Gardens?

Of course, I could have voted.

/opening Netflix queue

Lurky McLurk, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I like movies, I go see one or two a week (though most are mass releases and quickly forgotten), I try to read film criticism and theory and so on. But I've never had any desire to see either Godfather movie. Am I alone on that? There's something fundamentally unappealing about them, between the director, the canonization, the material.

They sound like utterly unremarkable films that have passed into greatness on qualities I can't ascertain.

Should I just break down and watch them?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"Looney Toons" is pretty fucked up, moralitywise, too (how many times does Bugs torture his foes in a manner of total overkill that isn't at all justified by the small infraction that they've made?

actually, bugs usually doesn't go after ppl without a good reason (i.e. they're trying to shoot him or dig up his home or posting "rabbit season" signs all over the place). chuck jones talked about this in his autobiography, how he wanted bugs to be more sympathetic/interesting than, say, woody woodpecker. of course, daffy's another story...

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well yeah, that's what they *say*, but it isn't always true - often enough his opponent's infractions are minor compared to the hell they're then forced to go through because of him. I realise that just saying this doesn't help the discussion along, give me some time to dig through my box set and find concrete examples.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm actually in the exact same boat as you re: the godfather films, milo! but i have to watch the first one in my film class in a few weeks, so that'll be the end of my half-intentional boycott.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link

The third "Godfather" has the best quotes:

"My coat! My lucky coat!"

"This pope has powerful enemies!"

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have a poll summary in a few days, with update results on one convienent page.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for all your hard work Jeff!

jedidiah (jedidiah), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

OK, who was it who liked The Shout (96b)? It's showing at Lincoln Center at 4pm. Dave Kehr:

An airy allegory (from a Robert Graves story) held to earth by some scathing sexual passion. Alan Bates is the traveling madman who holds a composer (John Hurt) and his wife (Susannah York) in thrall. Sexuality triumphs over civilization through a series of small betrayals, each registered with appalling, pinpoint accuracy by Jerzy Skolimowski's camera. Though Skolimowski had backed off from his formal ambitions somewhat (he once seemed a real rival to Godard), this 1978 feature is shrewd, imaginative moviemaking, a trance thriller that beats Peter Weir on his own turf.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

^this is like the most noize board movie ever (maybe crossed w/ I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX)

johnny crunch, Saturday, 9 April 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I used to disagree with Dr. Morbius under my actual name; now I disagree with him under a fabricated one. The world has changed so much.

clemenza, Saturday, 9 April 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

has anyone seen Chilly Scenes of Winter ('79) by Joan Micklin Silver, aka Head Over Heels?

http://www.ifccenter.com/films/chilly-scenes-of-winter/

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

A friend was telling me about this book--not sure if I knew about it or not.

https://academic.macmillan.com/academictrade/9781632868183/openingwednesdayatatheaterordriveinnearyou

Will definitely try to track down a copy at a decent price.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 January 2023 15:46 (one year ago) link

I was Gene Hackman from The Conversation a few years ago for Halloween, so I like it enough for that.
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, September 12,

Still the funniest Halloween costume I've ever heard of.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 January 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link


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