JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

i havent listened to that one in a loooong time need to check again

one of the greatest cover arts

so this would be a good entry point on him?

definitely

or Black Fire

Re: Jack Johnson, Moodles otm:

A great album, but it's swung from underrated to overrated in the past 10 years.

― Moodles, Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:38 PM (16 minutes ago)

Xgau's A+ is way too high.

he's had 4 in the list now and you couldn't go wrong with getting all 4.

will check it out, but if it's not marginally better than Jack Johnson I won't be responsible for my actions...

the challop used to be that jack johnson was better than bitches brew, i kind of like it more personally, i agree that the swing back for Miles 70s records in general means that its hard to say its underrated any more

it's more pleasant to listen to and ~groovier~ than bitches brew, but bb is more dynamic and colorful

33    Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
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http://open.spotify.com/album/7i3cnReSEEPTFeeTDiERyh

mingus mingus mingus mingus

thats my fav mingus -- its like 'ah um' amped up x1000

you notice that there's not really been any huge jumps in points?
It's very very tight in the top 15, and 1 ballot could have changed the order.
The top are very close. And the winner didn't win by much at all. So good luck guessing the top 15 nevermind the winner..

There are some jumps in points though, and the top five all score over 3000.

I hope Derek Bailey's 'Aida' wins because LOL

32    Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
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http://open.spotify.com/album/1JCuoMJbPeDknbjWPVAV9R

yeah but the points go up gradually rather than jump

yay!

I think I'll take it through a bit more tonight so we can finish earlier tomorrow? I know some people have to leave work and miss the results. Or do you want to finish at #31?

Anyone for or against?

was Live In Berlin ’71 even nominated? :(

anyone want to guess who had that at #1?

I think we should go down to #26

yay. but i think we need some other than a poll co-runner to agree!

or maybe have a spiritual hats poll as an interlude

who wore it better?

the challop used to be that jack johnson was better than bitches brew, i kind of like it more personally, i agree that the swing back for Miles 70s records in general means that its hard to say its underrated any more

― D-40, Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:03 PM Bookmark

I like several of the electric records better than Bitches Brew. In fact I think a lot of the non-album material on The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions better than the album. To me this doesn't feel like a challop so much as a result of history shaking out. Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles because it was sort of the big breakout album, you know, 'important' and all that. At least that's my theory -- it became the standard because it was a watershed, but Miles improved on the concept later.

anyway kerry you should go on as long as you want

I prefer jack johnson to BB but most dont agree

yah that seems right
curious where u stand on the 'love supreme' debate? xxps to hurting

Taking it through to #26 tonight btw. So hope you all stick around

this next one is a beauty of an album

Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles

surely it's On the Corner now...?

on the corner was the pop miles album right? i know that was like the lester bangs one

31    Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
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http://open.spotify.com/album/6NmykD5FJftiDWqjWlwKfr

yes yes get the 'too low' shouts in. It's going to happen with (almost) every album from now on isn't it?

xp pop miles album? not quite. i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.

i wonder how many lee morgan albums will make it? im assuming 'sidewinder,' what about 'cornbread'?

I can see Lester digging OTC, but that's news to me. It may have been Miles' "attempt" at a funk pop record but it fails so hard on that criteria - it's way too harsh

xp

A Love Supreme:Coltrane's prior work is not really a good analogy to Bitches Brew:Miles's prior work imo. I mean really A Love Supreme sounds like much less of a departure from the work of his past few years. I mean what's the big deal, he sings on one track? A couple of the movements would be at home on pretty much any Coltrane Impulse record. He had already done arguably 'gimmicky' stuff like My Favorite Things and Inch Worm, not to mention Ballads or the Duke Ellington record, and A Love Supreme gives you a lot to dig into compared to some of his material from the period.

I don't know if it's the BEST Coltrane record, but it's really pretty and really heavy too, so I don't particularly mind it being the favorite.

xp pop miles album? not quite. i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.

― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:37 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont mean pop in a dissing it sense, just as a crossover

i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.

yeah he may have been closer to the pulse of the (well, mostly white) youth with Bitches Brew but by the time of On the Corner dude was obviously *really* disconnected from the pop market. also: cocaine.

i mean, Bitches Brew crossed over a lot more than OTC. I don't think that album was a hit.
bangs wrote about on the corner -- i'm not sure whether he * liked * it per se.

Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles

surely it's On the Corner now...?

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:35 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This on the other hand does actually kind of annoy me, just because On The Corner is sort of an outlier album even among the electric stuff. It's a great record but it feels really vastly apart from the rest of his electric period. Like if it's your favorite electric miles record fine but to my mind that just means you don't really like electric miles.

oh i didnt mean to compare the miles & trane pop vs spiritual hat vs. 'real jazz' or w/e they both have totally diff & complicated relationships w/ audiences & discourses etc -- was just wondering where 'a love supreme' stood in your personal canon xps to hurting

Like if it's your favorite electric miles record fine but to my mind that just means you don't really like electric miles.

oh come on. it stands out but it's of a piece with stuff that came after, some of which included pieces cut from the OTC sessions.

In re popularity, I think that's also just the result of timing and a marketing coup -- around when Bitches Brew came out, Miles and/or his management had the great idea of having him play all these big hippie venues like the Fillmore and various festivals and such, and the music was just connected enough to what the kids were listening to at that moment, and the zeitgeist was very "let's EXPAND OUR MINDS" so I think there was a window where people were open to it. OTC probably just wasn't timed/destined to meet that same kind of openness.

what do you think sets it apart so much from Agharta... or Get Up With It? I guess a bunch of the "songs" are shorter, but then they're all mixed together.

xp

i know that at the time, on the corner wasnt considered a huge success, i mean 'pop miles' in a more contemporary sense fwiw -- its definitely an 'intro to miles' record for a lot of people in the past few years (which surprised me bcuz its so different from the miles eras i was introduced to)

The other electric records retain much more of a sense of a bunch of musicians improvising together -- OTC sounds more composed (or at least more heavily edited) and is more repetitive imo. It's mostly beats and themes with variations. They're all groove-oriented, but OTC is much moreso.

30    Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1  
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http://open.spotify.com/album/71ITD2qnGTd6JJZQvGMJRH

huh, i would not pick OTC as an intro to miles tbh. it's a pretty challenging record. electric miles is best approached via in a silent way i think. might even just be best to go chronologically from there.