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I thought Jade was leading the team? Maybe I'm confused?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't mean to spoil the end for you, Tep, as I thought you'd already read it. Sorry!

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, don't worry, this is just how it's gonna be until Christmas break, I think. Severe parking shortage, and it's too far from campus for our spiffy faculty permits to do us any good. I don't mind being spoiled on anything below the "holy crap, Ned Leeds is the Hobgoblin!" level.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

NED LEEDS IS THE HOBGOBLIN?!?!?!??!?!???!!!?!

?!?!?!?!??!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

He was! Until they decided to reveal that the real Hobgoblin only made it SEEM like it was Ned Leeds (but I think this was an actual out-of-story reconsideration, not a red herring that had been planned all along, since they'd already done a "Flash Thompson is the Hobgoblin!" fake-out where Flash was briefly framed).

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

(I was being ironical & incredulous - the Hobgoblin's secret identity was an ongiong concern for my pudgy adolescent self.) (& I thought I heard the Ned Leeds thing was a hasty editorial decision that was later rectified - am I right that they offed Ned in that Spider Man / Wolverine one-shot AND revealed him to be Hobby @ the same time?, then changed it up in in ASM #289 to show that Hobby was actually the former Jack O'Lantern?) (What the hell?)

BETTY BRANT IS THE HOBGOBLIN!?!?!?!?!?!?!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(That's exactly right, I think -- although I don't remember where it happened. And yeah, I think the 'it's really Jack O'Lantern!' thing was some crazy way to tie all of the Halloween-themed villains together, like when Byrne's Barber Of SeVILLAINS miniseries finally explained why the Sandman and the Osborn family all have the same haircuts, and how they all became supervillains because of the barber who used to molest them and train them to be sleeper agents.)

JOHNNY DAMON IS THE HOBGOBLIN!??!?!?!?!!!??!!!

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

AUNT MAY IS MADAME WEB>!??!?#?>#:LDS(@?@??SL

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Marv Wolfman would roll over in his waterbed if he read this thread.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

MARV ALBERT IS THE WOLFMAN?!!?!?!?!???!!!!

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, what is the difference between The Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, and Jack O' Lantern and who thought it would be a good idea to have a whole bunch of interchangeable villains?

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

They were probably just trying to catch the colorists napping.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to see the story where they bolt them all together, Voltron-style, to form a giant Goblinbot.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Hobgoblin was a deliberate Green Goblin clone, at least -- he found the (briefly dead) Green Goblin's stuff and stole it so he could be a super crime guy, but rocked the hoodie to show his individuality. Jack O'Lantern, though, I barely remember him showing up here and there before the sudden "oh yeah, by the way, I'm the Hobgoblin too" thing.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Any relation to the Jack O'Lantern of Global Guardians "fame"?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Marvel's Jack O'Lantern was some two-bit thug that got ahold of some pumpkin bombs & some other Osborntech - he had some wangtastic pogoing platform (in lieu of a Goblin Glider).

The best thing about the Hobgoblin (prior to the big "reveal") - just like the way Lee employed the GG, Hobgoblin was USED SPARINGLY.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

JOL got ahold of Osborntech, too? JEsus, they really drove that "Osborn kept secret caches all over the city!" thing a little hard. And of course, the caches were only found by potential supervillains, never teenagers who decide to become superheroes but blow their hands off with pumpkin bombs or something.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I THINK so - I don't know of any place I could double-check that, but it's the only "sensible" explanation for how some two-bit thug acquires a POGOING PLATFORM. Either that, or he ripped off some Q*Bert-inspired gadgetry from Atari.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

In their almost-but-not-quite defense, I think the use of Osborntech caches was some kind of compromise to keep themselves from bringing Norman back. Between that and Harry going nuts all the time (just for the hell of it, not because of his brother in law being made out of lava), the Spider-editorial department was frickin obsessed with the Goblin and all his trimmings.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

he had some wangtastic pogoing platform

Oh my God. I love comics.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Coming soon from the House of Ideas - Liz Allen becomes the GOBLINETTE!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I love SpiderFan.org:

Equipment: Macendale had a glider which looked like a "sombrero". He also had a very hard helmet, which Spidey enjoyed punching.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Created by Tom DeFalco and Steve Ditko.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The third Jack O'Lantern, on the other hand, became the second Mysterio.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

For fuck's sake, how the HELL am I still interested in Spidey? 2 Mysterios, 3 Vultures, 2 Carrions, 4 Green Goblins, 4 Hobgoblins, probably 2 Big Men, 45 Shockers, and lord knows how many Spider Slayers, and the CLONES!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

And multiple Venoms, essentially, since it's not like Carnage has any identity beyond "he's VENOM on CRACK!!!omgwtf!!"

And the first Mysteriou's cousin became the fourth Jack O'Lantern!

There's just been way too much Spidey stuff all told -- too many titles, way way way too many miniseries, too many graphic novels ... even a reasonable crap ratio would mean a ton of crap. And there have been a lot of reeeeally weak runs, and bad habits (4 Hobgoblins, 3 Calling Birds, 2 Chk'n Kaus...) compounding them.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I just read about (AKA briefly skimmed for fear of retaining information regarding) Chk'n Kaus before this mention - WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

It was a chicken cow! All I know is that I want one for dinner.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Chk'n Kau v. Turducken - WHEN FEATHERS FLY!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh man, seriously, my Earth-Zeta double, who's a mutant who got rich by finding some boring but profitable use for his powers? He is totally the guy who hires the Taskmaster to hunt down some Savage Land meat for barbecue. I would make artisanal farmhouse cheddars from Skrullcow milk.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Well now who wouldn't enjoy punching that?

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Except I keep thinking that picture's actual size.

Who's a little fear demon?

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

(plz post a link to this mysterious Chk'n Kau before I die from curiousity)

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Behold Chtylok the Chk'n Kau!

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

HOLY SHIT

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like to echo Dan's comments above re: "Oh my god. I love Comics"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone done anything with the Crime Master recently? He's ripe for a bit of retsploitation.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought I heard the Ned Leeds thing was a hasty editorial decision that was later rectified - am I right that they offed Ned in that Spider Man / Wolverine one-shot AND revealed him to be Hobby @ the same time?, then changed it up in in ASM #289 to show that Hobby was actually the former Jack O'Lantern?

Ok, clearing things up: Roger Stern creates the Hobgoblin, leaves the book before revealing who he is. I believe he offered to tell incoming writer Tom DeFalco who the Hobgoblin was supposed to be, but DeFalco said he didn't want to know. Priest (who had been Stern's editor) writes Spider-Man vs. Wolverine and kills off Ned Leeds. In an editorial fuck-up, it is decided that Leeds was also the Hobgoblin - this is revealed in (i think ) ASM 289, written by Peter David. Jack O'Lantern had NOT been Hobgoblin before, but he was the one who ordered the hit on Hobgoblin, and then took his stuff and decided to become the second Hobgoblin, since Jack O'Lantern was rubbish and even he knew it.

Many years later, Roger Stern returns to write a 3-issue story establishing that Leeds was a patsy, and the real Hobgoblin was who Stern had intended it to be all along....

...Roderick Kingsley, the evil fashion magnate with an identical (balding) twin or something. I dunno, I didn't really read it.

The Yellow Kid, Friday, 8 October 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha! Possibly the most ironic use of the phrase "clearing things up" ever!

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
CHK'N KAU!

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Last night, I actually deigned to look @ the latest preview of Teen Titans. What the fuck? Wonder Girl, Robin, & Raven stand around as exposition dumps, w/ the former two asking the latter (in a whiny way) why they can't revive Superboy ("because we need him to be the Teen Titans again, it's the only way, DAMN IT WOMAN YOU BROUGHT BACK JERICHO & NO ONE WANTED HIS PERM-BURN ASS AROUND"), then some Flash-speed dude comes around and starts punching the universe. I mean, the ladies.

BTW, the reason Raven was able to resurrect Jericho - his soul was A) trapped in Deathstroke, then B) trapped in a computer. If Sperby only had a memory stick and a compatible port somewhere on his ass...

Geoff Johns, ladies & germs.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Chk'n Kau!

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a reason this thread diverged.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I NEED A CHK'N KAU T-SHIRT

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Chk'n Kau kinda reminds me of those bears-with-beaks-and-antler things in World of Warcraft.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I just followed the link and there isn't an image anymore, but seriously, we should put a Chk'n Kau shirt on CafePress. Copyright schmoppyright, it'd only be me and Dan buying it.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I might buy two, if one was CO-ED NAKED CHK'N KAU.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Can I talk about the Titans cartoon here? Because:

http://www.titanstower.com/assets/animated/episodes/bunnyraven/bunnyraven06.jpg

OMG!!!!

c(,,c) (Leee), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

THAT IS AWESOME

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I presume the cold clammy hands of Geoff Johns here

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 5 October 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link

Imagine your movie universe failing as badly as it is then thinking this was a good idea

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 5 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link

My son was watching "Teen Titans Go!" the other day; I saw a scene where they were all sitting around the table and decided to see if they could have a political discussion without arguing. Robin encourages Cyborg: "Go ahead, state a political opinion." I thought it would sort of end there (no way would they actually get into anything political) -- but Cyborg says, "OK... um, I think the government should make sure as many people as possible have what they need to live" (or something like that). Then everything explodes, everyone yelling at once -- Robin: "WHAAAT? And enrich the FAT CARS in Washington?!"; Starfire: "How you dare you disparage obese felines!"; etc.

I'm not a huge fan of what I've seen of the show (it's cute but a little too frenetic), but I thought it was interesting that it actually got that "real" with that particular gag.

brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Friday, 5 October 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link

*Whoops, it was "FAT CATS" (not "cars")

brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Friday, 5 October 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link

cartoon is fun to watch w my kids, movie was "eh", this new series will suck shit

Οὖτις, Friday, 5 October 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link

Why isn’t Cyborg in the series? Because he’s already in the JLA movies? Or they just couldn’t make a cyborg outfit work on a TV budget?

brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link

(For that matter, why isn’t Donna Troy in these TV versions of the Titans?)

brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link

teenagers fucking divorced middle-aged professors not as heartwarming a plotline in 2018

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 11 October 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link

tv series does often crack me up, and i never will not enjoy the stupid perseverativity (?) of painbot. i mean...all it know is pain.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 11 October 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link

oh god terry long xp

the horror

hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link

Got really into the original cartoon about 10 years ago. So watched the new film a couple of days ago. Some of it was quite amusing.
Thought it was aiming for some of the same humour as the Lego animations I've seen .

Stevolende, Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link

I just looked up the history of Donna Troy origins/retcons; what a f'ing mess.

brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link

Can never understand why comics are hard to get into for new readers:

Donna Troy has now discovered that like every other person after the Crisis on Infinite Earths, she is a merger of every alternate version of Donna Troy in the Multiverse. Unlike everyone else, Donna is the repository of knowledge of every alternate universe version of herself and remembers the original Multiverse.

brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link

comics are easy to get into for new readers, Raina's two new books have first print runs of 500k and 1mm

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link

Raina?

brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link

Telgemeier.

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link

Can never understand why SHITTY comics are hard to get into for new readers

fixed

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link

my kids don't have any trouble grasping comics. continuity is for morons.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link

(In 2016 - the last time she had a new release - 21,000 comic titles were sold through bookstores. 5% of all dollars exchanged were for Telgemeier books: the #1, #2, #4 and #5 bestsellers for the year were her own work, and #6, #7, #10 and #11 were work-for-hire by her. As most of her work (and all of these books) is on Graphix, those figures are only a small minority of her overall sales to readers.)

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link

my daughter loves her stuff

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link

That's cool, but do any of her characters have backgrounds like this?:

After Donna Troy is killed by a fleet of Superman androids reprogrammed by Brainiac, she is resurrected by the Titans of Myth, who seek to exploit her status as an "anomaly" from the world that existed before Crisis on Infinite Earths to escape the coming cataclysm of Infinite Crisis. This story establishes Donna's status as an anomaly of the timeline, explaining that she survived the Crisis and was later subjected to multiple alternate origins as the universe tried to fit her into the new timeline created following the collapse of the Multiverse. This makes Donna in effect "a living key to the lost Multiverse." This same storyline also reveals that Dark Angel is an evil alternate universe version of Donna from Earth-Seven. Another pre-Crisis survivor, she "was saved by the Anti-Monitor, and raised to be his harbinger of doom, Dark Angel. But Dark Angel was uncontrollable, and vanished."

Within a short time after 2011's The New 52 reboot that followed the Flashpoint story, DC had already presented two conflicting new origins for Donna Troy in the pages of Wonder Woman and Titans Hunt. In the first case, she is introduced as a new character: magical golem, ruthless warrior, and challenger to Wonder Woman's status as leader of the Amazons. She later goes on a journey of discovery. In Titans Hunt, this same Donna, alongside other former Teen Titans, rediscovers memories of childhood heroism with the Teen Titans, which should be impossible for her. In the DC Rebirth relaunch, Donna has a fuller set of childhood memories restored to her after meeting the pre-Flashpoint Wally West. In the DC Rebirth relaunch of Wonder Woman, the storyline "The Lies" reveals that the savage depiction of Thymiscira and the Amazons in the New 52 Wonder Woman series in which Diana is made the Queen of the Amazons and the God of War and has Donna Troy reinvented as a mass-murdering villain is, in fact, an illusion by the Olympians to keep her away from the real island. A later Titans story clarified that Donna is still a magical golem created to destroy Wonder Woman, with fake memories granted by the Amazons.

brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link

they're mostly about tween girls, maybe she'll get around to that in future volumes

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link


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