― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Is it a thing with Luthor, say, that he has been done badly in the films - portrayed as a bit of a joke - so people do not think of him as a serious villain?
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Kit (kit brash), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, I don't agree with this at all. Doesn't every comic based around a villain sell terribly? Are any of Spider-Man's villains more interesting than Peter Parker? Are any of Batman's villains besides the Joker (and maybe Ra's) interesting?
Which doesn't mean that they're not good villains - Spider-Man and Batman both have great rogues galleries. But when Doc Ock is robbing a bank, that doesn't seem like he's a rebel who's fighting against the status quo to me.
― The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Er, "status quo" doesn't necessarily mean oppression/fascism, and fighting against doesn't necessarily mean rebellion in the political sense. Spider-Man tries to uphold the status quo of law and order, and Doc Ock is threatening it by doing crimes, but that doesn't Doc Ock is a revolutionary trying to bring about a better world. Or, take Dark Knight Returns for another example: in it Batman is the rebel fighting against the status quo, but he's also a leader of his own fascist militia - so it's Batman's idea of an order against a different kind of order.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 06:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link