Primal Scream: C or D?

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we'll if only Bobby was REALLY here I think all the ''haterz'' would come out.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 23 September 2002 13:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

the most interesting uninteresting band in Blighty - classic

blueski, Monday, 23 September 2002 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I need a few more spins on it but Evil Heat is Vanshing Point to EXTRMNTR's Screamadelica. Darker, noiser, good enough but not as jarringly good/unexpected.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 23 September 2002 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just heard _Screamadelica_ for the first time a few weeks ago, and I enjoyed it a whole WHOLE lot. I can't believe I had never gotten around to them before, but so it goes.

Clarke B., Monday, 23 September 2002 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also, I can't understand why so many people dis' Bobby's voice - I think it sounds cool.

Clarke B., Monday, 23 September 2002 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bobby's terrible singing on "I'm Losing More than I'll Ever Have" melts the ice in my heart.

"Rocks" was a guaranteed floor-filler at Cafe Bleu.

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felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 19:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pah Kate Masonic Boom, I am not afraid of yer bitch-slapping skills, coz we've DONE THIS ONE BEFORE!@#!@# I like "Gentle Tuesday" B/C ov thee k-k3wl rickenbacker 12-string solo @ thee end, but I think everything else they have EVER done is utter rubbish. I have seen them live twice as well. Once for their grunge bandwagon jumping 2nd album, which was actually OK coz they did rock a bit, and the LOUD elecktric guitars drowned out little BBBYZ horrid voice. I saw them on "Screamadelica" tour, and my god did it sux0r. High point ov gig - noticing that wee bobby could not even manage to clap his hands in time! Awful. I think that BBBy should give up music, and spouting off rubbish in music paperz, and he should dedicate his life to Ms St Claire's happiness & pleasure. A compromise most agreeable I'm sure. (BTW I think the h4t4z have already dissed PRML SCRM before on more than one occasion, & might not feel like going through it all again)

N0RM4N PH4Y, Monday, 23 September 2002 19:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, and co-incidentally, I have been thinking about actually writing my bobby g / alex from blur prison bitch scenario slash lit. Should I do it?

N0RM4N PH4Y, Monday, 23 September 2002 19:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

pleaSE! what a hunkfest

felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

For the next record, Primal Scream should let Shieldsy write all the songs and call it "My Bloody Valentine" in a clever twist.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 23 September 2002 23:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

justyn had it right from the start. i'd rather listen to adventures in stereo.

keith (keithmcl), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 00:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

How come there's always some idiot who says they liked the first song a band released but nothing else. That just sucks. Starting thread NOW.

paul b, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 21:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
i don't know if this little gem has been discussed on ILM yet, but it caused me much merriment. It's from a Q interview where readers send in questions. Bobby Gillespie's turn was up:

Reader:
"A few years ago i blagged a ticket to an icelandic music festival, travelling with primal scream and prodigy. on a day off, after taking a coach up a very steep mountain road to a glacier, you threw an embarrassingly girly fit, refused to travel down with the rest of us, and demanded a hellicopter. remember?"

Bobby G:
"haha! Right, what happened was it took hours to get up there and the whole time I thought the bus was going to topple over the edge, and i was really cold too. when we got to the top, i just went 'get me fucking out of here'. and this guy put me in a jeep and drove me back at 90mph - that was really exciting, like being in some crazy road movie. as for demanding the hellicopter, yeah i probably did. Hey, that's fair enough. I'm a lead singer in a fucking rock and roll band! Why not?"

I love the way he tries to regain some macho pride by saying "that was really exciting, like being in some crazy road movie". Bobby gillespie: man of the people, indeed.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

the interviews with Bobby are quite funny.

the music, on the other hand...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

...is often incredibly funny.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

so its comedy. and that's bad. right?

interviews with bobby are funny bcz he's a bit of a fule!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Worst. Band. Ever. Except MC5.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

cozen, we have just connected!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

i've not once been able to sit through a full album of theirs. some of them have some interesting moments, sometimes ("Rocks", "Kill All Hippies") but i don't think this redeems them. there's something in their music that makes me very uncomfortable, but not in a good way.

Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I expect I've said this here before, but I love them and have (I think) all their records and lots of bootlegs too. And I adore Bobby G (albeit probably not as much as Kate does, and I've never met him). They've provided some of my favourite and least favourite live moments, sometimes minutes apart. I remember seeing them once with a pal, and Loaded was absolutely magnificent, one of the best performances of a single track I've seen, then another song had been going for some minutes before my friend and I turned to another at the same moment, as we had just registered that it was supposed to be Come Together, but was a dreadful mess.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julio and Cozen, get a copy of 'High Times' now!

dave q, Sunday, 2 March 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julio and Cozen, get a copy of 'High Time' now!

dave q, Sunday, 2 March 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

High Time is indeed grebt. As are Primal Scream. Wonderfully inconsistent. XTRMNTR and Screamadelica are both classic, Vanishign Point and Echo Dek both very very good, while Evil Heat has a handful of brilliant moments amid the electronic guitar stodge. The rest, admittedly, is pretty bollocks, but there you go. The world would be a duller place without them.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 2 March 2003 11:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm on it.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 2 March 2003 11:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

(had to mention 'High Time' as a PSA because I can see somebody who's only heard 'Jams' or 'Back' think the MC5 are a bit 'ehhhhh'. 'HT' whole other level of enjoyment)

dave q, Sunday, 2 March 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think that BBBy should give up music, and spouting off rubbish in music paperz, and he should dedicate his life to Ms St Claire's happiness & pleasure.

Strangely enough, I actually agree.

La la la la la laaa, Bobby G, how I love him. Horton Who?

kate, Sunday, 2 March 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK dave. 'Jams' was some of the worst fucking shit i have ever bought but OK.

''XTRMNTR and Screamadelica are both classic''

don't know abt 'screamadelica but XTRMNTR insults me.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 2 March 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Screamadelica' classic if you're in touch with your sentimental side, 'XTRMNTR' insulting, 'Evil Heat' is pure "OK, *sigh* joke's over, where's the hidden camera". Even reading the track listing causes an irresistable urge to curl up into the fetal position and crawl into a hole waiting for it to go away. Needless to say, it could be dangerous listening to it if you are driving or cycling through a busy street so be warned.

dave q, Sunday, 2 March 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never want to hear another note from them: they are not veen a band really, more like a fucking 'studio project' *vomit*.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 2 March 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

primal scream are absolutely hilarious, its like your dads mates at a fancy dress party trying to play sigue sigue sputnik but ending up doing dumpys rusty nuts

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 2 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Darragh Purcell orchestration of undervaluement = 45% of the alien memory. Proletariat 2000. orchestration => deviation/turn

naked as sin (naked as sin), Sunday, 2 March 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

they should go back to trying to be the Byrds. "Imperial" is still one of their best tracks.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 2 March 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic. They're one of the best bad bands out there.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 March 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

PS are far, far worse than anything you could possibly dream up.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Primal Scream is among the closest acts ever to mix the best of "dance" music with the best of highly melodic pop. When it works (as in "Screamadelica" and part of "Vanishing Point") they are really great. However, when they try to sound like Rolling Stones (the "Give Out But Don't Give Up" album) they leave me cold, and their previous two albums are more noise than music.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

re: what dave q. said - yeah
re: primal scream - these guys are fromengland & who gives a shit

duane, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah you know, fromengland

duane, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

i like the scream, i have to say. "screamadelica", "vanishing point" and "xtrmntr" are all good. of course bobby is a twat, and their political "agenda" is a joke, but the music is (mostly) intoxicating enough to make me forget this.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

About 1/3 of _XTRMNTR_, some of _Vanishing Point_ = classic.
About 1/3 of _XTRMNTR_ = total, tiresome dud.

Most of the rest doesn't move me to one extreme or the other.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
Bobby doing a Julian Cope impersonation 20 years too late?

http://www.nme.com/images/84_NMEcover_L150406.jpg

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

NME naff headlines: "Louder the Liam, Darker the Doherty"

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG @ that nme cover. So, so sad. So desperate. I read the page-long live review on the Observer yesterday, WTF @ that. Has there been a brit band from the last 20 yrs who have had such a free ride from the music press?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 11:56 (eighteen years ago) link

off-thread topic but the 'turn to page 32' thing re Gnarls Barkley album is more interesting. catering for ultra ADD if ever i saw it.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Every time I see a current NME cover, I wanna curl up and cry

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Mr Bobby Gillespie Record Collection Rock get your f-ing haircut your long haired mopped twonk

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Primal Scream: We Still Don't Give a F***

And neither do we, so f*** off ya talentless c***

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG @ that nme cover. So, so sad. So desperate. I read the page-long live review on the Observer yesterday, WTF @ that. Has there been a brit band from the last 20 yrs who have had such a free ride from the music press?

NME gave the Scream dogs abuse for the Give Out But Don't Give Up
album. Infact they really hated rocks in particular when they reviewed the single.

That album may not be perfect but I don't think it's as bad as NME & Co claimed at the time.

The new album is a return to stonesy stuff isn't it? hmmm. I'm not sure thats a great idea though, they've spent years trying to get rid of that image. Still lets wait and see what it sounds like before judging. After all Evil Heat was just a rehash of xtrmntr(their best album IMO)

At least the Scream aren't just content releasing clones of Screamadelica which I'm sure the press would've preferred.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Bobby: "I love Can ever since I was a teenage punk rocker"

'nuff said?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

what do "17 year olds in doncaster" think of that long haired leather jacket wearing bloke?

that don't remember screamadelica.

they were only 11 when xtrmntr was released.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Primal Scream were scheduled to play Top of the Pops in November 1994, despite the fact their most recent single, I'm Gonna Cry Myself Blind, had not got into the charts.

Their management had arranged for Luton Airport to remain open longer than usual so the band could fly in after playing in Dublin. Apparently Luton wasn't "rock 'n' roll" enough, and the band refused to make the trip. They were banned from appearing on the show for the next three years.

Say no more. Oh wait...

"He’s just Michael Hutchence with a better record collection and a worse voice, you know, hehe."
Edwyn Collins speaking of Bobby Gillespie

Lotta Continua (Damian), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

! probably their best record

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link

‘shoot speed kill light’ is so good

uncle-knower is coming for you (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 March 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link

It is.

I literally just heard Screamadelica two weeks ago and have known XTRMNTR for twenty years. It’s a disorienting thing.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 21 March 2020 03:59 (four years ago) link

Wow.

I’ve always thought of XTRMNTR as the inverse of Screamadelica. They’re structured very similarly.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 21 March 2020 11:24 (four years ago) link

Agreed. From multiple mixes of the same song to radical remixes of tunes from the last record.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 21 March 2020 14:19 (four years ago) link

Bobby's Insta always delivers: https://www.instagram.com/primalscreamofficial/

fetter, Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

Damn. It’s a funny photo!

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link

Ugh, sorry

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 11 October 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

You can't embed a web page, it has to be an image


https://i.imgur.com/Os99C7S.jpg

Yo Bobby G!!!!!!!!🤘🔥❤️@primalscreamofficial Witnessed blinding gig last nite by @thurstonmoore58 @cafeotodalston TM & James Shredwards straffing on twin guitar sonic attack whilst our darling @googoogiegoo anchored the sound w/ stone solid bass rhythms allowing the boys to fly around her ( sonically speaking ! ) freely safe in the knowledge they had a safe place to land again after their psyche zonked astral ( guitar ) adventure's - all needle frequency angular solos spiralling into hypnotic drones which sucked out our skulls and spewed out our brains and it felt real good, lemme tell you people. It was a Zoom only type affair so only fifteen of us lucky ones got to see it in the flesh. Such a blast to see a proper r & r band play again and it sure did blast away de ol' lockdown blues. 🎸⭐️🎸 Photograph by Brother @jamesendeacott

Covidiots from UHF (sic), Sunday, 11 October 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

pic has got a lot of "day release from Monster Mansion" energy.

calzino, Sunday, 11 October 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Hilarious

Siri show me 'an almost transcendental lack of self-awareness' please. (From Bobby Gillespie's book). pic.twitter.com/EB0tGFmc7O

— ⚫Neil Kulkarni (@KaptainKulk) May 13, 2022

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 May 2022 10:49 (one year ago) link

He's beyond parody but I'm going to keep on trying.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 May 2022 12:21 (one year ago) link

lol I think all the music hacks who encouraged him for decades should bear some responsibility for his condition. Someone from literature-twitter pointed out that the Kipling quote is wrong!

calzino, Saturday, 14 May 2022 12:38 (one year ago) link

All Boaby knows about Kipling is that he makes exceedingly good cakes.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 May 2022 12:53 (one year ago) link

That truly is something else.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Really sad to read how they treated Martin Duffy

Primal Scream really don’t come out well from this. https://t.co/9GZGirdgiT

— Michael Hann (@MichaelAHann) June 7, 2023

Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Thursday, 8 June 2023 04:37 (ten months ago) link

Really sad to read how they treated Martin Duffy

Primal Scream really don’t come out well from this. https://t.co/9GZGirdgiT

— Michael Hann (@MichaelAHann) June 7, 2023

Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Thursday, 8 June 2023 04:37 (ten months ago) link

Not sure how that double posted

Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Thursday, 8 June 2023 04:38 (ten months ago) link

why was this pdf posted to this particular site? (dafts...)????

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 8 June 2023 08:18 (ten months ago) link


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