Gang Of Four.

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Natural's Not In It is my fave song from E!

Vic, Friday, 6 December 2002 00:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Entertainment and Solid Gold, classic. Everything else, dud.

The Yellow EP and Another Day, Another Dollar EP are also good.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 6 December 2002 01:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

well, except I Love a Man in a Uniform

HANG ON A SECOND, that's a fantastic song, you nutter. Until the end, when it just kind of forgets that it's over and keeps going.

The greatest moment of like the past year was driving around with two jackasses who'd been wearing Russian military outfits for a week straight for fun when this song came on. "Suddenly this song isn't really f unny anymore." They finally changed their frigging clothes after that. It was beautiful.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 6 December 2002 01:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
anyone know anything about this - what it is?

http://www.seetickets.com/xxxtickets/event.asp?e%7Cartist=GANG+OF+FOUR

mark h, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

er, its the gang of four reunion dates.

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

it was mentioned on teletext the other day - i'm surprised theres been no mention anywhere else. i'm excited if no one else is!

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I got that re-release of Solid Gold a couple of months back. The live versions of "Cheeseburger" and "What We All Want" are raw as, they destroy the album versions! I wish they'd release the whole gig they're taken from.

The Midnight ROFFLEr (haitch), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:39 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, so 'fess up: Is GO4 the infamous "Highly Influential Post-Punk Combo" that is reforming?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:46 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost: it seems so)

yeah, that live version of "what we all want" is a real monument.

frank kogan called them "teachers' pets" somewhere on ilm, which popped the balloon for me i'm afraid.

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

so i finally got that entertainment!/yellow EP CD deal today. haven't listened yet. i like those songs "anthrax" and "outside the trains don't run on time"

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:54 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
(revived)

"To Hell with Poverty" greatest fucking moment for Gang of Four? I wish I'd been in a band in college just to have played the song in the little smoky bar where all the school bands played Sublime and shit. I love the "Ow ow ow OWWWWW"s and harmonics.

PB, Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got my ticket already! ***does happy dance***

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

From another post:

A reunion tour rarely excites me, but since Gof4 was one of my all-time faves, I'm interested, but mostly cuz I've seen them 5 times, but never with Dave Allen on bass.
What's this about a new album? http://www.gangoffour.co.uk/

I wonder what their US dates will look like. I figure 5 or 6 shows apart from that Couchella (sp?) thang in CA.

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm speaking of the Seattle show. They are playing Portland too, and some other places. You can find out if you go to www.ticketswest.com or at least I could earlier today.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoops. That's not right. It was ticketmaster that told me the other dates. Here they are:

Thu, 05/05/05
09:00 PM Gang of Four McMenamins Crystal Ballroom Portland, OR

Tue, 05/10/05
07:00 PM Gang of Four Quest Club Minneapolis, MN

Wed, 05/11/05
07:30 PM Gang of Four Metro Chicago, IL

Thu, 05/12/05
07:30 PM Gang of Four Metro Chicago, IL

Sat, 05/21/05
08:00 PM Gang of Four Theatre of Living Arts Philadelphia, PA

Sat, 05/14/05
06:00 PM Gang of Four The Phoenix Concert Theatre Toronto, ON

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

gang of four were like the 4th best thing on the fast product mutant pop comp. maybe 5th.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

shit, I think they're great; the "Brief History of 20th Century" comp is probably all you need, altho I sure love the reissue of "Entertainment"/"Yellow EP."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Again, does anyone know anything about a new album? I know I shouldn't get my hopes up (1/ that it'll happen and 2/ that it'll be any good).

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

But peepee, what is it that you've heard that we haven't? The "other thread" you quoted from just said something about an album full of remixes done by Franz Ferdinand/Hot Hot Heat. And the link you posted above does not work. Why don't you tell us whatever YOU heard?

Well maybe if some of the Brits hurry up and get on here...of course it's only 7 AM there, so...

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 07:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Last time I was on that site, it plainly said something like:

"New album to come"

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 27 February 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Well it did say something in that Guardian aritcle about them doing a couple of new songs live.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "Hard". No, really

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"well, except I Love a Man in a Uniform

HANG ON A SECOND, that's a fantastic song, you nutter. Until the end, when it just kind of forgets that it's over and keeps going. "

hahaha OTM

latebloomer: my cats are wobderful (latebloomer), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
HOLY FUCK they were amazing last night in SF!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, they sounded great at Coachella - much better than their records - I'm actually really interested to hear this re-recorded and remixed disc they're putting out.

Also, "I Love a Man in a Uniform" is one of the best songs ever obviously.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

they didn't play that last night, I couldn't believe it.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

re-recorded and remixed disc

Oooh. Didn't hear about that! Do tell!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

They're probably and unfortunately self-conscious about "pandering" to the audience with their most pop-friendly track (which is a lame thing to do).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

According to S/FJ's bloggo, there's a rerecorded version of "To Hell With Poverty" available via iTunes.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

they played "parade myself" though which is way poppier and more stupid.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

To Hell With Poverty was fucking scathing though, absolutely floor thuddingly great.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

It is my understanding that they're playing only stuff from the first two records cuz that's the only two which Dave Allen played on.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to go to the ballet last night and missed them.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - good.

Hoping for "He'd Send in the Army" ....

diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

So is Songs Of The Free going to get a reissue soon? I can't believe Hard got one, and Songs didn't... (actually even weirder, the Hard reissue is a twofer with Solid Gold!)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

that hard reissue sounded like someone had the rights to just those two, and realized no one would buy hard on its own, so they tacked it on. but maybe that's totally off-base.

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Songs Of The Free is great in a way that's totally different from the first two.. if there's any single album that would serve as a primer for what Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 sound closest to, save "I Love A Man In A Uniform", Songs Of The Free is it.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Going next week!

By the way, does anyone else think it's kinda fucking lame that this is a Clear Channel tour? I mean, I don't expect everyone to toe the indie line on that but for a band that talked so much political B.S. in their day I find it irksome.

Still, I'm going and (thanks to my...cough...CC connection....I'm going for free!) Yay me!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

By the way, does anyone else think it's kinda fucking lame that this is a Clear Channel tour? I mean, I don't expect everyone to toe the indie line on that but for a band that talked so much political B.S. in their day I find it irksome.

I'd let it slide, because how else would they be able to tour North America? I doubt Warner Bros. was going to give them tour support for a 25 year old album.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i went to the fillmore last night, only to find out my ticket wasn't waiting for me at the door. fucking pissed i missed it.

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

What's more lame is that a friend of mine has been working on getting this to happen for the last two years and then got screwed by one of the band signing with another booking agent, and the rest of them going along with it. That, and getting the former manager of Wham! involved.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i went to the fillmore last night, only to find out my ticket wasn't waiting for me at the door. fucking pissed i missed it.

had you paid for it already? I think this is going to happen to me every time I get willcall tickets.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd let it slide, because how else would they be able to tour North America? I doubt Warner Bros. was going to give them tour support for a 25 year old album.

I dunno, I've seen people like The Soft Boys and Richard Thompson, and Mission of Burma do reunion (non Clear Channel) tours at First Ave in recent years...they can't be getting much in the way of tour support.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

haha I guess Richard Thompson was reuniting with himself!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

you know, this band sounds better now than they did when they recorded those records. THey were THUNDEROUS. Jon King was a SPAZZ. I can't imagine he had more energy in the 1980 than he did last night.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really excited for tuesday.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

SO TORN. I hate both Clear Channel and the Quest, plus I smoke my fucking head off and Minneapolis has a brand-new smoking ban. On the other hand, it's the Gang of Four, and I hear tell of a product called Nicorette. AGH.

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

box of socks, another mpls ilxor! hi there.

i didn't even TRY to get tickets, by the time i caught wind i knew it was a done deal.

so BoS if you want to stand outside and smoke i'll watch for you and tell you abt it later...

g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Greetings from the Lyndale and Franklin area. It's sold out, is it? Well, that makes it simple for me. Fuck a Clear Channel show. I saw 'em back in the day anyway.

box of socks, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey there, here is a recording of the Brooklyn gig if you want it, it went up online today and I sent it to a friend who is a diehard fan.

https://www.fromsmash.com/BiS2D6db8e-bt

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 22:04 (two years ago) link

Ah nice! Thanks man!

FWIW, I found this NY Times article about their 2005 reunion, published on Jan. 24, 2005. Gill's passing aside (I'm still sad he's gone, and I never saw him perform), it's amusing to read in light of the current tour since they joke quite a bit about their age.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/24/arts/music/after-postpunk-postpostpunk-by-the-gang-of-four.html

A relevant excerpt for those who encounter a paywall:

"The goal is to be as incredibly intense as we were the first time around," Mr. Allen said. "What we have to do is leave them with their tongues hanging out again. If not, we don't retain our authority in the musical canon. There's no excuse that we're 23 years older."

Mr. Burnham added, "I realized that we could do it because we all still had our hair."

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Mr. Gill is the only band member continuing his recording career, writing soundtracks and producing bands including Killing Joke and the Jesus Lizard. Mr. Burnham, who worked as a band manager and recording-company executive after leaving the Gang of Four, teaches at the New England Institute of Art in Brookline, Mass. The other two members have followed the band's media critiques with media jobs. Mr. King is the chief executive of World Television, which produces news reports, Webcasts and corporate video for clients from Greenpeace to Nestlé. Mr. Allen lives in Portland, Ore., and works in digital-music distribution and brand marketing with his company, Pampelmoose.

The band members had to shape up for the tour. Mr. Burnham hadn't played drums since 1985; he started exercising with his wife, a Pilates trainer. Mr. King, who is still lean, teased the other band members with e-mail messages about the "celebrity fat club." But as they started to relearn the songs, old reflexes came back.

"The blueprint was still in my body," Mr. Allen said.

On the 9-foot-by-18-foot stage of the Montague Arms, Mr. King flailed and twitched, dropped to the floor and leaped up like a funky scarecrow, as hyperactive as he was a generation ago. "It's the tragedy of old age that people stop doing stupid things," he said before the show. "When you're young, you're reckless and oppositional, and that's what you should be your whole life. Why should you not take a risk?"

birdistheword, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 22:10 (two years ago) link

I got to see the ‘05 tour, definitely was a privilege.

Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 00:13 (two years ago) link

Burnham appeared at Pop Con a few years ago. Literate guy.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link

Also stumbled upon this from 2010: https://exclaim.ca/music/article/gang_of_four_sell_copies_of_new_album_with_vials_of_their_own_blood

Pretty intense "collector's item."

birdistheword, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 01:05 (two years ago) link

Mr. Allen lives in Portland, Ore., and works in digital-music distribution and brand marketing with his company, Pampelmoose

wait what

is this related to the ILX-famous superstar duo?

thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 01:08 (two years ago) link

that's Pomplamoose, but very close!

i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 02:13 (two years ago) link

I'm connected to Allen on LinkedIn.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 02:17 (two years ago) link

more discussion here :

Gang of Four Live

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 04:10 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

Interesting discovery from another forum:

Not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but I recently got a copy of the standalone Entertainment! LP by Matador, and imagine my surprise to discover it has the full intro to "I Found That Essence Rare" (with the count off and guitar harmonics riff). I noticed that my copy has a different catalog no.—OLE1742LP—as opposed to earlier copies, which have cat. no. OLE1564LP.

Folks who are upset about the missing intro should grab this copy. I wonder if this was just Matador's way of quietly correcting the issue? (If so, that's kinda slimy of them to first deny the mistake by offering a dubious "It's what the band intended" excuse, and then quietly cut and press a second copy with the intro intact.)

I was trying to replace my noisy, worn OG US copy of Entertainment!, and I thought I'd give the Matador reissue a try since it's easy to come by right now, despite the missing intro. Needless to say, I was quite pleasantly surprised to hear the intro there!

birdistheword, Thursday, 12 January 2023 00:49 (one year ago) link

I love that intro, good news

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 12 January 2023 01:14 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

In an answer to someone's question on social media, they said they were planning a more extensive North American tour in 2024.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 23:37 (eleven months ago) link

Who is in the band now?

dow, Thursday, 25 May 2023 01:10 (ten months ago) link

Looks like the same configuration as last year with Sara Lee and David Pajo. They just did a festival show and have more dates this fall in the UK.

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 01:15 (ten months ago) link

I saw them last week and it was overall a much better show than when they first came through early in 2022. Pajo isn't just copying Andy Gill's guitar lines but instead using them as a launch pad for something more, he and Sara are total MVPs.

This is more or less what it was like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnZbKxC41F0

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 May 2023 02:45 (ten months ago) link

First part of a multi-part David Pajo interview that's going to be uploaded to this podcast:

https://discograffiti.com/podcast/94-david-pajo-part-1-favorites-as-in-records-firsts-as-in-pre-slint-bands-flavorings-as-in-tortoise-yeah-yeah-yeahs-interpol-gang-of-four/

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:34 (ten months ago) link

That Damaged Goods video sounds like they need to speed it up a bit

nate woolls, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:49 (ten months ago) link

Jon's voice sounds a little tired in that clip. Luckily halfway through he does "that thing live musicians do where they let the crowd sing the chorus."

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:49 (ten months ago) link

I almost went to one of their shows. Looking at that video, I'm glad I didn't. Is it just basically all old people trying to re-live their rocker years?

Punster McPunisher, Friday, 26 May 2023 01:48 (ten months ago) link

sure looks like it

broken breakbeat (sleeve), Friday, 26 May 2023 01:48 (ten months ago) link

You're not wrong.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 26 May 2023 05:13 (ten months ago) link

I’m glad I saw the full original lineup reunion in the aughts— Jon was far from tired and seeing Andy shred live was a godlike experience.

Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 26 May 2023 13:35 (ten months ago) link


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