Kode9 and the Spaceape - Memories of the Future

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I have pretty strong feelings about those types of issues. That track sound boring as hell.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 07:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Which older tracks are you talking about?

Brian Best (ukb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Sine of the dub etc I would presume. They are ideal opening tracks to a Dj set, but en masse they could easily bog down an album fo sho.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Martin Clark wrote that line about the Skream album - it's from his This Month In Grime/Dubstep I think - and he has a lot of fairly strong positions on these types of issues

I think this is probably why I take issue with the statement so much. I just can't seem to get on with Blackdown. He knows what he's talking about but I don't like the style of his writing or his productions and tend to disagree with a lot of his opinions.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Well if the Skream track is anything like that Horsepower Productions rainforest track then Martin's distaste will be justified.

On the other hand a lot of great music could also fit that description.

I wonder if Martin likes any opulent laidback stuff? I'm trying to imagine if he would like the Jazzanova remix of MJ Cole's "Sincere", for instance.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I love it Tim, but not as much as the original, or their remix of Ian Pooley.

martin (martin), Thursday, 14 September 2006 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I had this feeling you might. Maybe because at their best Jazzanova are quite explicitly otherworldly?

I'm interested to work out what you/we mean when you/we say "coffee table" - there's an implied er homeliness to the criticism perhaps.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Surely you understand "coffee table" Tim? it's the act of sonic dilution/softening that producers apply to previously rough urban club music to make it pallatable in coffee bars, polite living rooms, corporate elevators, adverts etc. The Photek --> Everything But the Girl (circa d&b phaze) transition.

It also signals the implied "musican" mindstate that producers often fall into when they make an album. "I know, if I make a 'jazzy' track, people will respect me as a 'proper musician.'"

Anyway it would be sad and wrong to focus soley on this track on the Skream LP, let alone at the expense of Kode 9's great LP too. The Skream LP has some killers on it, most of all the rarely effective grime/dubstep interaction the JME vocal of "Tapped."

martin (martin), Friday, 15 September 2006 08:29 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Is it totally redundant to say there's a very Tricky vibe to some of this?

eh (fandango), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link

redundant in what way?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

as in staggeringly obvious, not even worth mentioning?

maybe it's that the paranoid & alienated vibe Tricky was riffing on seemed out of step or far-fetched/weed-induced back in 1995, but now the world has caught up with his postmodern dread by going to absolute shit politically speaking, it seems totally fitting and nessecary? I like this album though, it is very trip-hop to my ears but not in a retro/lazy way.

eh (fandango), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

"maybe it's that the paranoid & alienated vibe Tricky was riffing on seemed out of step or far-fetched/weed-induced back in 1995"

It did?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Its relevant as a comparison but it reminds me how fucking excellently engineered "Maxinquaye" is, how fat and lush and well constructed it is, in comparison with something like this (good as it is it sounds cheapo and rickety)

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you listening to MP3s of it though? I hope the record doesn't sound like that.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - well, in the middle of "cool Brittania" (retch) even in the middle of Trip-Hop as a product of post-rave comedown melancholy, Tricky felt like he was pulling away from sanity a little further/harder than the rest of us...

I dunno about cheapo and rickety, I thought "Maxinquaye" was going for that slowly disintegrating sound junkyard feeling, it came out a bit more pop than I think he was happy with in retrospect (going by interviews anyway) but I think it was a stab at organised chaos much more than what gekoppel describes. This Kode 9 record feels much more zesty and spare. Maybe it's the fruityloops treble?

eh (fandango), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

It is mp3s, I'm wondering if something hasn't been seriously lost in the bass department too fwiw. It still feels quite complete though oddly.

eh (fandango), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the Kbps?

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"xpost - well, in the middle of "cool Brittania" (retch) even in the middle of Trip-Hop as a product of post-rave comedown melancholy, Tricky felt like he was pulling away from sanity a little further/harder than the rest of us..."

B-b-b-but listen to drum'n'bass from '96 and you see that paranoia everywhere (esp. techstep)! The fear of the future the future the future + BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU + dread millenialism was everywhere at the time.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

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eh (fandango), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

192 is a bit ghetto.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - I understand what you're saying, maybe it's just that The fear of the future the future the future + BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU + dread millenialism doesn't feel like as much fun anymore :(

and yeah, indeed!

LAME or die \m/

eh (fandango), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

192 is a bit ghetto

It's the bare minimum for uploading on o1nk isn't it?

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

when i was listening to this last night i was thinking "tricky, tricky, tricky" as well! it may well be redundant but it's less to do with the music than the spaceape's vocals, which are like a less psychotic tricky circa pre-millennium tension or nearly god (i don't think maxinquaye is the best comparator).

really awesome late night wandering music.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 13 October 2006 08:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought Dubstep was boring? Not that changing your mind is verboten but... what changed?

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i listened to it!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link

rofl!

What next Arctic Monkeys? ;D

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

not that Dubstep can't be boring of course, don't think anyone wins in a bad Dubstep vs. shitty annoying Grime contest.

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

no you see i KNOW arctic monkeys are the worst band ever. it's REALLY OBVIOUS.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

The CD version of the Kode9 album sounds well-produced I think, but Maxinquaye is such a succulent album that it's probably a bit of a high standard to use.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

good as it is it sounds cheapo and rickety)

-- gekoppel (inabeautifulplaceinthecountr...), October 12th, 2006.

Gek i dont know if you read the Wire interview with Kode but interestingly he mentions how much he liked Wiley and Jammer's Sinogrime experiements exactly because they sounded cheapo and perhaps rickety...

martin (martin), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes I did read that Wire piece... he also said that he prefers the synthetics of grime to the more sample based sonics of Dubstep, so I can see what he was going for with his album (though actually Dubstep is just as synthetic as Grime as far as I can make out in terms of the origins of its sounds). Maxinquaye is definitely attempting a decaying junkyard atmosphere (see Ian Penman's proto-hauntological tract from the time of that album's release in The Wire). It remains a pleasingly fat listen, in engineering terms.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

just heard this.

would it be wrong of me to want an instrumental version?

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.playlouder.com/review/+memories-of-the-/

fade into goo (fandango), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"I don't like the style of his writing"
blackdown obviously knows all his shit but i find his writing trapped between wanting to say what he really thinks and knowing he has to work with all these people cos hes 'part of the scene' so it ends up feeling a bit compromised.

only heard this kode 9 album a few times but i find the production a bit 'small' and budget. im all for being low fi and not glossy but that doesnt mean it has to be cheapo.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

That tune Portal on the album is amazing, musically and vocally.

Brian Best (ukb), Thursday, 9 November 2006 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

another case of a terrible rip this. I've not heard the CD but the 10"s sound a hell of a lot better than the 192 album mp3s. if you're not listening to those, claims it's badly produced are mystifying to me.

a (rslvd), Thursday, 9 November 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

that rip I downloaded is flat as a pancake compared to the CD indeed. I like this album a lot.

new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Thursday, 9 November 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

really awesome late night wandering music.

Yeah, I'll say that as well. This said I'm currently listening to it in a warm office in the morning (though it is raining outside).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

Is there such a thing as an instrumental version of this? The music's generally excellent, but the Spaceape (if that is his real name) gets seriously grating after a track or two. He's good in the odd guest spot, but really not for a whole LP.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

WAS IT THE SCENT OF A GOD OR THE STENCH OF A DEMON... IN THE AIR
SHE WONDERED AS SHE WIPED AWAY THE SEMEN... FROM HER EAR

Dubstep's crossover bid-- whether James Blake's introspective fragility or Katy B's pop hybridization-- is starting to obscure one of the genre's initial strengths: the way it could transmit anxiety.

WAS IT THE SCENT OF A GOD OR THE STENCH OF A DEMON... IN THE AIR
SHE WONDERED AS SHE WIPED AWAY THE SEMEN... FROM HER EAR

Dubstep's crossover bid-- whether James Blake's introspective fragility or Katy B's pop hybridization-- is starting to obscure one of the genre's initial strengths: the way it could transmit anxiety.

WAS IT THE SCENT OF A GOD OR THE STENCH OF A DEMON... IN THE AIR
SHE WONDERED AS SHE WIPED AWAY THE SEMEN... FROM HER EAR

Dubstep's crossover bid-- whether James Blake's introspective fragility or Katy B's pop hybridization-- is starting to obscure one of the genre's initial strengths: the way it could transmit anxiety.

WAS IT THE SCENT OF A GOD OR THE STENCH OF A DEMON... IN THE AIR
SHE WONDERED AS SHE WIPED AWAY THE SEMEN... FROM HER EAR

Dubstep's crossover bid-- whether James Blake's introspective fragility or Katy B's pop hybridization-- is starting to obscure one of the genre's initial strengths: the way it could transmit anxiety.

WAS IT THE SCENT OF A GOD OR THE STENCH OF A DEMON... IN THE AIR
SHE WONDERED AS SHE WIPED AWAY THE SEMEN... FROM HER EAR

Dubstep's crossover bid-- whether James Blake's introspective fragility or Katy B's pop hybridization-- is starting to obscure one of the genre's initial strengths: the way it could transmit anxiety.

WAS IT THE SCENT OF A GOD OR THE STENCH OF A DEMON... IN THE AIR
SHE WONDERED AS SHE WIPED AWAY THE SEMEN... FROM HER EAR

Dubstep's crossover bid-- whether James Blake's introspective fragility or Katy B's pop hybridization-- is starting to obscure one of the genre's initial strengths: the way it could transmit anxiety.

WAS IT THE SCENT OF A GOD OR THE STENCH OF A DEMON... IN THE AIR
SHE WONDERED AS SHE WIPED AWAY THE SEMEN... FROM HER EAR

Dubstep's crossover bid-- whether James Blake's introspective fragility or Katy B's pop hybridization-- is starting to obscure one of the genre's initial strengths: the way it could transmit anxiety.

WAS IT THE SCENT OF A GOD OR THE STENCH OF A DEMON... IN THE AIR
SHE WONDERED AS SHE WIPED AWAY THE SEMEN... FROM HER EAR

Dubstep's crossover bid-- whether James Blake's introspective fragility or Katy B's pop hybridization-- is starting to obscure one of the genre's initial strengths: the way it could transmit anxiety.

Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

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Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

phew, glad this is falling off Site New Answers

for a minute I almost thought people cared about dubstep.

Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 November 2011 17:29 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Damn. Absolutely awful news here:

https://www.facebook.com/Hyperdub.Records/photos/a.10150990281855149.470596.52054255148/10152736411040149/?type=1&fref=nf

We are devastated to announce that on Thursday 2nd October, Stephen Samuel Gordon aka The Spaceape, vocalist, poet and live performer, passed away peacefully after a 5 year struggle with a rare form of cancer.
He leaves behind his wife Luciana and 6 year old daughter, Cleo. His first release was the 1st release on Hyperdub, 'Sine of the Dub' in 2004 with Kode9, with whom he also released 2 albums, Memories of the Future (2006) and Black Sun (2011).
In 2012 he also self-released the Xorcism EP, appeared on the track 'Spaceape' on Burial's debut album in 2006, and also collaborated with The Bug, Martyn, Jerry Dammers, Redshape, Dub Gabriel, the Echologist and more. Last Monday he released his new EP with Kode9, 'Killing Season' including the video 'Devil is a Liar' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dtc4Y4Xyjo which was filmed in July 2014.
Our sincere condolences go out to his family and friends, and all who have been touched by his writings and performances. His Hyperdub family will always miss him.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link

Goddamnit

Just dug up this thread to post that. Really sad news, he was a best in small doses kind of guy, but a really singular voice.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link

aw, very sad.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link

Can't have been much older than 40 right?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 2 October 2014 21:45 (nine years ago) link

this sucks. I haven't always been the biggest fan of vocalists in the context of Dubstep/DnB/other bass music, but Spaceape had such a cool style, it was easy to like.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Thursday, 2 October 2014 21:47 (nine years ago) link

this is so sad

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 2 October 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link

Rest in peace

Van Horn Street, Friday, 3 October 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link

aw jeez, this sucks

the late great, Friday, 3 October 2014 03:01 (nine years ago) link

had been listening to this a lot over the last two weeks

http://youtu.be/IiNilnuyLwU

the late great, Friday, 3 October 2014 03:02 (nine years ago) link

Aww man, RIP. I don't have much time for his general scene but he was always an incredible booming presence on any record, and his track on London Zoo is just pure righteous fury.

Matt DC, Friday, 3 October 2014 08:53 (nine years ago) link

RIP :( I had no idea he was so ill.

lex pretend, Friday, 3 October 2014 08:55 (nine years ago) link

RIP. thats tragic. i actually like the new EP a lot. one of the best things theyve done together imo. and i like spaceape's new delivery.

StillAdvance, Friday, 3 October 2014 13:48 (nine years ago) link

In about 2004 I saw a poster for a Kode9 and Daddi Gee (which is what Spaceape was calling himself then) show. I couldn't find anyone to go with me so I didn't bother and it's one of my big musical regrets

Also I'm listening to Dubstep Allstars 3 again and I'd forgotten how awesome it is

paolo, Saturday, 4 October 2014 10:36 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

listened back to this album recently and it's melancholic sci-fi London vibes really pleases me, feel it has aged better than burial's stuff, from that time. Spaceape's mumbly bleakness fits the mood so well

Swanswans, Saturday, 5 June 2021 14:04 (two years ago) link


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