The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmm .............

donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm exactly like Clarke. Always loved what I heard, but only own 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me'... Last year I told a friend of mine that the reason for this is because I pretty much know that I'll like them and am just 'saving it'. Is this like some weird Cure phenomena?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I LOVE THE CURE. They fill a niche that no other band does. From the acutely depresso Pornography stuff to the silly dance stuff to the haunting gothy Faith stuff to the blatant sunshine pop... they've done all this convincingly and well. Did they invent the drugged up goofy romantic miserable goth ecstatic giddy thing?

Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.

Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Where to start, Ned and Dan? I'm thinking _Pornography_, but some of their _Disintegration_-era stuff kills me (esp. "Lovesong").

Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?

Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

In your place I'd start with 17 Seconds, Clarke. It has their greatest song on it, "A Forest" and I find it the darkest and most powerful of their records. A lot of their stuff didn't age too well (even Disintegration), but this record definitely stood the test of time.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't go for _Pornography_ first; I think I'd get _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and the cassette version of _Standing On A Beach_ in order to get the b-sides.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic until "Stranding on a Beach" came out, after which they descended into the depths of self-parody.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I kinda saved them also, Kim - owned the two singles compilations for years before actually buying my first proper album (Disintegration) just this year. Though I do like it, it hasn't swayed me into snatching up the others yet. Maybe in another four years I'll get another one.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They fill(ed?) a niche no one else did (which I usually characterize as "Harlequin romance rock") and they did a perfectly accomplished and unique job of it most of the time but it's not one I care to listen to much at all. I can play Pornography maybe a couple times per year and it's sometimes nice to hear the singles on the radio but overall there's not a big connection. And I couldn't imagine sitting through a whole album of stuff like "In Between Days" or "Let's Go to Bed". The singles comp (Staring At the Sea?) is probably as much as I'd need of that. I'd buy Disintegration if I thought I'd ever listen to it. Wish and Wild Mood Swings were awful.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I honestly cannot comprehend how _Wish_ is AWFUL.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the cure were/are one of the best bands for dancing to whilst only wearing underwear...hopefully not by yourself...

g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ok, I'm a liar. I totally forgot that I also had 'Standing on a Beach' on cassette - played it to death. I don't have it anymore though. I think my brother "borrowed" it and never gave it back! Ooooh...that little...

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I like just like heaven, I'm going to get Kiss me times 3.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

classic classic classic and why should you not dance to the cure in underwear by yourself! unless you are wearing the underwear out to the goth dance club, of course.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Have you ever been to a goth dance club? Underwear as outerwear is pretty much de rigeur.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Clarke, start with Disintegration first, and then try Seventeen Seconds and then Pornography. I've argued elsethread about this already so I won't go into the details here...just click the link, cause there's a lot of other good talk there anyhow.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Pretend that there's a smiley at the end of my last post. I sound like a meanie otherwise.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
"And yet Robert Smith - the Chatterton of Crawley - had created if not a wall of sound then a very high hedge of sound, over which he seemed to peer at the world like a boy who couldn't be bothered to ask for his ball back."

the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!

etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Join the Dots" (B Sides and rarities) is out on October 21st. I presume it'll have the much talked about Cassette b sides from Standing on a Beach on it, but does anyone know that actual tracklisting is?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This news makes me very, very happy.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

won't come out on Oct. 21st though. That info was wrong

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

When is it out then?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No official release date..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I kind of like the guitars in "Pictures of You".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Recently listened to Dark Side of the Moon and then Disintegration back to back. Confirmed what I already knew.
Fuck the Canon and the Keepers it rode in on. The Cure > Pink Floyd.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Just adding to the calls of "Classic" (up to, and including, Wish, that is).

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 19:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Shall I expound at great length here about The Cure's gig at the Barfly last night? Or does it warrant its own thread?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

either way, spill!

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes. Now please. Or else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Giz it.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You don't want to make The Raggett angry.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to envision whether turning into a green Lou Ferrigno is merely a lateral move.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty much.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ah well, the downsides.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, too busy right now, but will gush like a geyser tomorrow. In the meantime, drooooool over the setlist...

Shake Dog Shake
Fascination Street
A Strange Day
A Night Like This
Pictures Of You
Maybe Someday
In Your House
From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
Charlotte Sometimes
Inbetween Days
Just Like Heaven
Hey You!!!
Play For Today
A Forest

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)
10.15 Saturday Night
Boys Don't Cry
I Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)
I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman),
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Why Can't I Be You
Friday I'm In Love

Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

WAH! *whimpers and hopes for bootleg...somewhere...ANYWHERE*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

With Porl and Frank no less. And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)


Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink



teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

And yes, Frank the postman showed up in all his voluminous glory, the first time they've done any Cult Hero material in (10 years according to Robert).

And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

And I maintain my viewpoint, no doubt. Friday's only iffy moment came 11 songs in, when some (relatively) unfamiliar chords struck up - "What is this," I thought to myself with a grimace, "Joan Osborne's 'One Of Us'?" But no, it was in fact "Maybe Someday".

The Cure should've stopped recording new music after Wish (or more specifically, if you like, after "Fear Of Ghosts"). I love them still, but I shall not be moved on this matter.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I forgive you. Since you're going to help me find someone who recorded the show OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE...

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

Wait, what? So essentially he and Perry B. have completed the circle.

Anyway. First batch of reissues in a month. EXCITED!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

That I had heard, seems to make sense! They and Depeche should just finally tour together. ;-)

In all seriousness, thanks for any leads you might have!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Where's a good place to go to get the skinny on the order and track listing of the reissues? I just got Join the Dots and I'm liking it a lot. It's time.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've been searching around but as yet no specs seem to be public.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That was badly worded... is the order the albums are going to be re-released in public knowledge?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Wait you NEVER got that?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Slicing Up Eyeballs is doing a Cure poll at the moment:

It will be interesting to see how the results compare to the one done on this board a couple years ago.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

The very first time I listened to "The Kiss," I shut it off after the first few seconds thinking the tape was warped. I went back to the record store, told them I had a defective cassette, and they exchanged it for another copy. I popped in my new copy of the album and realized it was supposed to sound that way.

Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me is my go-to suggestion whenever anybody asks what they should listen to as an introduction to the Cure. I feel like out of all their albums, it's the only one which really tried to show off the full range of what they were capable of doing. Well, Wild Mood Swings tried it too (and I actually like WMS), but Kiss Me did it better.

Ex Slacker, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hmm. I'm not convinced it does show off the full range of what The Cure do, but then I'm not sure any Cure album does.

Just like Disintegration is Faith for stadiums, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me just builds on the template set by The Top and particularly The Head on the Door, but twice as long and with filler.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

I designed the cover for that ILM live comp and also never got one!

orifex, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

me neither!

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 20:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Huh. Okay you three (counting (sic)), contact me -- ned at kuci dot org -- and I'll arrange something.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 21:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Hi folks,

An Amazon mix up means I now have two copies of the Pornography and The Top deluxe editions.

I'm happy to send them to the first EU Ilxor who PMs me. This site allows private messages, right?

Sorry non-Europeans, but shipping elsewhere becomes difficult.

Duke, Sunday, 18 June 2017 21:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

THE CURE will be celebrating 40 imaginary years on Saturday 7th July 2018 with a 120min headline show at BST Hyde Park, London. Tickets on sale 9am Friday 15th December 2017. Presale is 9am TODAY 12th December. - the password is IMAGINARY.

— The Cure (@thecure) December 12, 2017

groovypanda, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Nice to see the old logo dusted off

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:06 (one month ago) Permalink

If there is any way I can go to that show I have to. What a fucking lineup. The Cure is turning 40 and so am I so it only seems fitting.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:33 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah this line-up tidily encapsulates my youth. Not a fan of open-air festivals and a two-hour Cure set might be greatest-hits only, so I don't regret missing this.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm kinda tempted tbh. I somehow have never seen the Cure live despite them being one of my favourite bands for 27 years.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Worth seeing at some point. That said, if I lived there, obv I'd go but yeah, a festival set is not how I want to see the Cure. (Much less with Interpol, honestly.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:55 (one month ago) Permalink

love that old logo

line up looks rly good too

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:17 (one month ago) Permalink

BTW, following up on Tim Pope's tweets the other week:

So, 50 boxes of ‘stuff’ has just arrived at mine. Just peeked and apart from dust they seem to be filled with what looks like films, photographs, memorabilia. They go by the year. Hm. Can’t wait to get cracking, though might take me a while. I can feel Christmas is nearly here.

— Tim Pope (@timpopedirector) December 10, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:20 (one month ago) Permalink

And earlier today

Things are starting to happen and are afoot, right? I'll say more, too, shortly.

— Tim Pope (@timpopedirector) December 12, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:21 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm really, really glad Tim Pope is involved, because I absolutely love his work. He is to The Cure what Anton Corbijn is to Depeche Mode, just a perfect fit.

One of my favourite stories is regarding the 'Hot Hot Hot!!!' video - the band apparently gave Tim Pope the brief to make them look like a "lowdown funk band", and Pope interpreted "lowdown" as "dwarf"

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 19:02 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm kinda tempted tbh. I somehow have never seen the Cure live despite them being one of my favourite bands for 27 years.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:28 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They are amazing live. Still. Definitely go if you can.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 20:57 (one month ago) Permalink

Okay we have word

So, 2018 will see me collaborating with Robert on a feature-length, chronological documentary of The Cure’s history from the 1970s via present day to the future. Robert himself will tell the story and this will work alongside other events for the band’s 40-year celebration.

— Tim Pope (@timpopedirector) December 13, 2017

The film to which I will bring my own style of jiggery-pokery will use as well as 'old favourites' a cornucopia of material from Robert’s collection which has never been seen before: Super-8; interviews; bootlegs; rare performances; behind-the-scenes, blah. Updates ’as and when’.

— Tim Pope (@timpopedirector) December 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 11:25 (one month ago) Permalink

i may well be in London that weekend but it's too early to say, so hopefully, if I am, I can snag some second market tix for this.

akm, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 13:18 (one month ago) Permalink

I hope this will be some kind of three hour extravaganza a la The Cure's gigs - no point doing a documentary if you're just gonna skim over everything.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 18:26 (one month ago) Permalink

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