POO: One of the 23 bands Wikipedia classifies as "Post-Grunge"

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Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Sunday, 18 September 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

scott, you know there's only like ONE Everclear song, rite?

i guess i pick staind.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 18 September 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i know, but i really like TWO of them on that one album.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 September 2005 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't see how you can deride Everclear and then pick staind!

Anyhow I'd pick the foo's, I was into their first album and they've got some good videos I suppose.

Bn1 (Bn1), Sunday, 18 September 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

um, everclear had some moments

Sym Sym (sym), Sunday, 18 September 2005 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

this thread would work better as a defend the indefensible

Sym Sym (sym), Sunday, 18 September 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Foo Fighters probably have the best body of work. But Santa Monica is the best song by any of these bands.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 19 September 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

you can hate art everclear as much as you want, but he had a way with a lyric. which is a rare gift pre or post or mid-grunge. which is why it's kinda funny that he is on a list with a band that has the honor of writing the worst rock lyrics EVER in history, Bush.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 19 September 2005 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

memorably horrible lyrics though. like oasis. you can pick any bush song at random for hilarity:

What makes it go round the way we’re up and down
We’re minutiae staring at the whole sky
Battle sense to keep you apprehensive
I guess no one is the same
We’re all through different lenses
The bladder will filter all the pain
And the gut has sides you can’t restrain

You are everything to me
You are cobalt elemental

A new lagoon five years down the line
And all I want is a lot of your time
These days when the clouds come in
Heat broke no smoke without a fire
Heat broke no smoke

[chorus]
Infractions of the landscape
In a world we learn to escape
Bad weather comes
But we have wood to burn
That which only gives
Will always bring you through
My engine is with you

Kilburn and california
Make you wonder what it’s all for
Feed the lesson to the plate
Twenty-one centuries
And I’m just starting to move
Wreckless times like poison to the mood
Daylight comes all too soon
Accusations bruises to the head
Planet waves to test your lead

You are everything to me
You are cobalt elemental

[chorus]

Tie me in with electric line
Bathe me in bacchanalian wine
If I with you to gold worlds of true moans
And eyes that see the same pool
If not the same water
If not the same water
If not the same water

You are everything to me
You are cobalt elemental

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 19 September 2005 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

reading that gave me a headache

jimmy glass (electricsound), Monday, 19 September 2005 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Three Doors Down. Indefensible, perhaps, but I like the guy's voice.

Me too! Easy to karaoke! But I hate singing those songs!

um, everclear had some moments

I've said it before, but... "Father Of Mine"?

http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/warner/bitmaps/syljr.jpg

But Santa Monica is the best song by any of these band.

Nope. Great melody, boring-as-fuck "grungy" hook, oh-woe-is-Art-Alexakis "watch the world die" self-dramarizing-slash-pitying bullshit "disaffected" pose.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 19 September 2005 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link

what makes most of the above "post-grunge" bands different than grunge bands, other than just the fact that they came after "grunge" as a buzzword died down?

Question contains own answer, Grasshopper.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 19 September 2005 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, the correct answer is of course

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002HMH.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 19 September 2005 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i think popular music began it's inevitable decline after the kinks followed up village green with a flaming turd called arthur. we should all face it..

corey c (shock of daylight), Monday, 19 September 2005 04:22 (eighteen years ago) link

how many bands does AMG classify as 'post-grunge'?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 19 September 2005 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

the only one of these bands that doesn't make me want to retch is the flys (and i didn't even like THEIR song all that much). so i guess my choice is them.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 19 September 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link

p.s.: i am SO glad that this schtick is over and done with. 90s rock really sucked, in retrospect.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 19 September 2005 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I still love "Sparkle & Fade" as much as I did when I was 15.

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Monday, 19 September 2005 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

goo goo dolls. though i fail to see how they are post grunge in any sort of way at all.

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Foo Fighters, by a distance from Everclear and (!) Staind. They have a few tolerable songs. Good riffs at least.

Crackity (Crackity Jones), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

foo fighters, obv.

petesmith (plsmith), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

p.s.: i am SO glad that this schtick is over and done with. 90s rock really sucked, in retrospect.

Eisbar, for your own sake, please avoid rock radio for the forseeable future.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Eisbar's damn right. 90's rock is the sucky sucky suck of all sucky sucks. I blame wretched Nirvana. That band was all about Dave Grohl.

moley, Monday, 19 September 2005 12:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Foo Fighters and Everclear both had one good album. And "Leavin' Nahelem" by Everclear, since it's only a minute long and is a catchy pop-punk ditty, is great for mixtape filler. The Foo Fighters now make Mortgage Rock.

js (honestengine), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I once got into an edit war over "post-grunge". I lost. Some people must take the term very seriously.

wikiwarrior, Monday, 19 September 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Eisbar's damn right. 90's rock is the sucky sucky suck of all sucky sucks. I blame wretched Nirvana. That band was all about Dave Grohl.

hee hee, i actually tend to blame pavement and korn the most for how bad 90s rock is ... but nirvana will do in a pinch!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, when I was fifteen, Ana's Song was awesome. Even if I had no idea what anorexia was. So my vote goes to uh.... uh.... Our Lady Peace.

Victor Powicke, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Make that thirteen.

Victor Powicke (Victor Powicke), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link

my personal fave everclear song is "you make me feel like a whore". The lyrics are hard to endorse, but the guitar sound is awesome (tho I have not actually heard this song in over five years).

Sym Sym (sym), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 06:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Everyone has forgotten about Sponge? Seven Mary Three?

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I think The Flys I know must be different The Flys.

http://www.smartpunk.com/product_images/5655.gif ?

Of the rest, the once that I know are pretty dire, aren't they? Is this Courtney Love's fault?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

My, how it's grown:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_post-grunge_bands

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link

I always thought Days of the New were underrated, and I only heard their debut back in the day.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link

they were p good

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:22 (three years ago) link

Conversely, I always thought Foo Fighters got more attention than they deserved. 'Everlong' is all-time tho.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link

Answer is still probably Foo Fighters

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link

Retrospective appraisals of this era would probably be more positive if the average length of a post-grunge song was 2-2:30 mins. I don’t need to hear the chorus for the seventh time in a single setting.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link

When I get stuck in a grunge-only loop for a few weeks every year, I listen to the Singles soundtrack and Candlebox. I just recently added some Mother Love Bone LPs into that rotation, but I really enjoy Candlebox sometimes. I'm guessing they were never mentioned on this thread because they brought almost nothing new to the table.

King SunnO))) Adé (Tom Violence), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link

*sitting

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link

re: foo fighters, one of my earliest musical memories is seeing the "learn to fly" video on MTV, they were dressed in drag as flight attendants i think

listening to that song now, it's like a true power pop jam. same with a couple of songs on the s/t debut, just amazingly catchy and big chorus hooks

Retrospective appraisals of this era would probably be more positive if the average length of a post-grunge song was 2-2:30 mins. I don’t need to hear the chorus for the seventh time in a single setting.

supremely otm

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

like "learn to fly" does not need to be 3:55, would be better at 2m30s

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:42 (three years ago) link

Every so often my wife asks me who Gavin Rossdale is again and what song I would know of his and I always struggle to even recall a single song or melody or lyric of Bush. Reading those bad lyrics wall of text lyrics posted upthread is just oof. Is anyone a fan of that band? Are they defensible at all?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link

thought days of the new were v bad at the time. and it was exactly the time I was most primed to listen to alt rock pabulum. very stp unplugged kind of vibe

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:45 (three years ago) link

Bush were my favourite band for a few of months when I was eleven. When Gavin Rossdale sang 'Do you feel the way you hate / Do you hate the way you feel' it was the most profound couplet I'd ever heard up to that point. 'To all pollutants / Shave your face' in the middle of 'Bonedriven' likewise blew my mind, and so my love of abstract art was born.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link

As for Days of the New, I'd never heard of Alice in Chains so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link

And lest we forget: Razorblade Suitcase was 'engineered' by Steve Albini.

pomenitul, Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:00 (three years ago) link

Our Lady Peace is the band I like 'most' overall from the original list, although "Everlong" is my favourite song by any of them.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link

I've always wanted to hear more I Mother Earth

more haim than good (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:09 (three years ago) link

I think my favorite nonsense Rossdale couplet is "Minnie Mouse grew up a cow/Dave's all sad again"

more haim than good (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:11 (three years ago) link

I always rep for old Goo Goo Dolls but it's hard to think of them as "post-grunge."

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link

xp also pom you really do need to get on FB

more haim than good (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link

Wow, that...is a list of truly dire bands! So 'post-grunge' basically just means 'music execs who missed the grunge boat flock to college towns across the country to sign every fourth-rate hard rock band with a name like Menutwist or Mopblock or Ten Tango Felchjob so they can squirt a couple shitty and soon to be forgotten singles into modern rock radio rotation'?

I do, admittedly, have a playlist featuring a lot of the mid-'90s variety of those shitty singles but I can't say I legit enjoy very many of them.

Yeah, this pretty much has to be Foo Fighters by default because their first album and a couple subsequent singles are killer.

Why does this relates to Yoda? (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link

I like the Greta songs I've heard. 'Fathom' popped up in rotation recently, and that sounded pretty good.

Why does this relates to Yoda? (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:20 (three years ago) link

xp also pom you really do need to get on FB

Do not underestimate my degree of FB defiance (but thank you!).

pomenitul, Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:38 (three years ago) link

the only foo fighters song I like is “big me”

brimstead, Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:50 (three years ago) link

lol at the age of daze/days story:

Age of Days 2012–present Fredericton, New Brunswick Radioactivity (2013)
Age of Daze (pre-Age of Day) 2005–2011 Fredericton, New Brunswick Hollywood Ending (2008)

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link

you know part of that story is that a founding memory always understood it as "age of days" and just thought that it was spelled "daze".

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 August 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link

Foo Fighters probably have the best body of work. But Santa Monica is the best song by any of these bands.
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:25 PM (fourteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Came in just to say exactly this.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 6 August 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link

still amuses me that Razorblade Suitcase was considered this colossal failure that pissed off diehard Bush fans, this massive sophomore dump, and now any time any American thinks of Bush in 2020 it's usually to mock Rossdale's accent.

That's just foin
That's just one of my neye-ms

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link

in high school typing class there was this funny girl that just liked to literally blurt out lyrics of songs at random times and every so often during class she'd yell out

SWALLLOWWWWWWWWWED

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:04 (three years ago) link

Everclear started strong but then they greased up their toboggan and went down that hill lickety split.

Why does this relates to Yoda? (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:17 (three years ago) link

Bush had probably the stupidest lyrics of any band from their era. And the competition was STEEP.

Why does this relates to Yoda? (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link

xpost they loved the G5 chord

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link

best Everclear song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHQIjyp9gV8

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:21 (three years ago) link

Everclear started strong but then they greased up their toboggan and went down that hill lickety split.

― Why does this relates to Yoda? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:17 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i agree that a reggae concept record based on the film "cool runnings" was a v poor career choice

budo jeru, Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:21 (three years ago) link

Everclear got so weirdly regressive with their constant navel gazing about their lost youth. I whipped up some logical progression lyrics for them back in the day, something like

I'm sittin' 'round my childhood bedroom
Wishin' I could crawl back into mommy's womb
I don't wanna plead and I don't wanna beg
Just let me split back into a sperm and egg
I heard it on the AM radio, whoa-oh

Why does this relates to Yoda? (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:26 (three years ago) link


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