The Boo Radleys - Wake Up! LP C/D

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I thought the album was shiny-happy for years until I actually paid attention to the lyrics, which only made it better.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

and I wish I knew of a band that did music like this all the time.

I do to but there isn’t one. It is so hard for me to talk about my very favorite band of all time. I think deep down it really is the Cure who are my all time favorite band but I have grown out of that phase of life.

It’s funny because Martin and I are basically the same age. So every time an album came out in the 90’s it felt like it was written for me because I was going through the very same phase in my life. For the record it is Kingsize that is my favorite album of theirs and in my top five for best album of all time but most people don’t see the brilliance of that album. I am finding out, however, that some hard-core Boo fans agree with this.

Wake Up! came out in 1995 and in that year I moved to San Francisco. So even though SF was not a shitty place to live, it did take me about a year to fully adjust to it, meanwhile I had this album to comfort me about being in a new and strange place. Now I wish I never left San Francisco but that is history.

Sure it is Martin’s Beatles album, but there is something about this album that makes it right. This is a phase that needed to happen to this group and even though it has been cast aside, for the most part, it truly is one great album. Just another one of the great albums that the Boos made for music fans in the 1990’s.

I miss this band ever-single day and I can’t say that about any other band.

BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i love this album, CLASSIC

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

If Martin Carr had anything going for him prior to Wake Up! it was the uncanny ability to "realise" his songs without compromising the original ideas. If the song worked with just a riff, a verse & a wig-out, then that was what you got. If you expect three verses and a middle eight then you'll be disppointed; hence the second half of "Wake Up!" was dismissed by the critics as a collection of B-sides.
I love the album & rate it only just behind Giant Steps but I think "Wake Up" is actually the point at which things started to unravel. "Twinside" doesn't work - it should be a pared down linear rocker but is too slow, too fussy. "Find the Answer..." would have benefited from a lighter touch (although I love the backward Cardiff City chant). The rest of the record is magnificent but did someone mention the B sides to "Wake Up Boo!"?? "And Tomorrow" & "Friendship Song" must be the Boo's weakest offerings - completely unrealised.
So had the band done too much in Wales? Was McGee about to pull the plug?

Bodenheim Snr, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Those songs are great Bodenheim! I've always liked the way Carr managed to write great straight up pop songs and then knock them down like that.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Glad you like them dog latin but those two are still essentially the demo's with a few overdubs, which would be fine if the standard Carr had set wasn't so high. Carr was too self-concious about singing a song "to Sice" to develop "Friendship" further & I reckon they ran out of time with "And Tomorrow..."
Now, the B sides of "Find the Answer...": that's song-writing. Never mind the forthcoming anthology, the B sides (& all those odd covers & compilation contributions) are the Boo's great lost album.
Actually I have a theory about "Wake Up!" Play the odd numbered tracks followed by the even numbered tracks and it reveals itself as Martin Carr's Diary from 1994.

JOHN JEFFERYS, Thursday, 2 June 2005 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link

spent a lot of time on saturday afternoon ripping all my boo radleys cds to disk and a lot of saturday evening with the whole thing on shuffle. that said, i think chris evans playing Wake Up Boo! every morning killed it for me. (the 'music for astronauts' version and the acoustic version they did for radcliffe were great though)

great to hear Martin, Doom! stereolab remix again though.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 2 June 2005 10:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll add to the love for this album and for me it is also just behind Giant Steps in their all time list. The fact that some of the songs from this album and the others could be pieced together into Carr's diary is one of the reasons I love/d them. With each album you got a further installment as to basically how messed up he was (too much drink, drugs, moving somewhere shitty for his girlfriend, sitting alone in Archway) or stuff about him and Sice (Barney..and Me, Bench at Belvidere) in addition to all the musical genius going on. This is what added the extra level to their music.

We shouldn't underestimate the input that the other guys had to the music. The one time I spoke to Martin it was clear he had mucho respect for Tim Brown and all he did, not just the bass playing.

mms (mms), Thursday, 2 June 2005 11:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim Brown taught Martin Carr to play guitar which is amazing enough as it is!

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I really want to hear the Belvedere EP now - especially the title track and track 4 which was absolutely fricking awesome.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Almost Nearly There. Lovely track.

mms (mms), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Y'know I'm really glad I started this thread. I bought this album when I was relatively new to pop music as a 14 year old, and at the time it never struck me just how great a songwriter Martin Carr could be.
I don't really know very much about Martin's personal history (anone in the know could please fill in the gaps here), but from listening again and from what has been said upthread, I now see that Wake Up! is an autobiographical concept album and the album's title could be seen as a firm instruction rather than a call to arms. Someone mentioned him having to move somewhere because of a depressed partner - this would make a lot of sense from what I can read into the lyrics. I never realised till now just how sad this record is, and I can relate in some ways to songs like Wake Up Boo, Martin Doom, 4am Conversation and Wilder having been in a relationship with someone who is that depressed. The lyrics themselves are sheer poetry and yet hearing the album you'd be forgiven to think that this is just a bunch of pop songs like Oasis sang. The whole thing is very open and honest. It starts happy, then disappointed, then it simmers then gets angry and lashes out, then cools down, then reconciles and then doubts those reconciliations - like every lousy row that's ever happened.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 June 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Someone mentioned him having to move somewhere because of a depressed partner

Somehow I have never been to Preston, I think secretly this album is why.

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:30 (eighteen years ago) link

depreston.

So what exactly was the story behind this? And the blue room in Archway?

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 3 June 2005 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Blimey - what's the story? Key songs relating to a possible chronological sequence of events:
"I was a Teenage Death Squad"/"Wishing I was Skinny"/"It's Lulu";
"From a bench in Bevedere"/"Old News Stand at Hamilton Square"/"Barney & Me";
"Go With Yourself";
"Feels Like Tomorrow";
"Lazarus"/"At the Sound of Speed";
"Wake Up!"/"Reaching Out from Here"/"Crushed";
"Get on the Bus"/"Don't Take your Gun to Town"/"The Absent Boy";
"Bullfrog Green"/"Kingsize";
"Blue Room in Archway"/"Song from the Blueroom"/"Eurostar";
"Comb Your Hair"/"Heaven's At the Bottom of This Glass"/"Third Unattended Bag on the Right";
"Stronger";
"Betsy's Beads"/"Little Giant".
Seems like a redemption story to me but, if Martin's gift (apart from the songwriting) is his honesty, I better be polite & leave it there.

Bodenheim Snr, Friday, 3 June 2005 11:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard half of those tracks - are some of them Brave Captain stuff?

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 3 June 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Here are the bravecaptain songs:

"I was a Teenage Death Squad"
"Go With Yourself";
"Don't Take your Gun to Town" (?)
"Third Unattended Bag on the Right"
"Stronger";
"Betsy's Beads"
"Little Giant"

BTW, it use to be Brave Captain but now he wants to go by bravecaptain, for some reason, and it’s suppose to be all small with it being one word.

BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 4 June 2005 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

While we're on the subject, I've never really bothered to check bravecaptain. I heard one song when it first came out called "Better LIving Through Wreckless Experimentation" and it wasn't that great so I never bothered.
I'm having a Boo Radleys revival at the moment so I Figure it's time to give Carr another go. What should I get, what should I avoid?

dog latin (dog latin), Saturday, 4 June 2005 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link

none of the Brave Captain *is* that good

kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 4 June 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

wilder is the worst boos song ever but the rest of the album is fantastic. the suit they had at the time were ridiculous.

brave captain is horrible, i think gorwel owen must make jokes about him when he's working with sfa and gorky's. 'he's got this hat...'

i'd buy a second eggman album. is sice off somewhere selling books?

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 4 June 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

bravecaptain stuff rocks my world!
serious, it continues on with the boo's magic - anyone who hasn't heard anything by bc, just check out www.bravecaptain.co.uk and head for "things" then "downloads" - there is about 7 tracks or so that are free to download, a good taster of the music he makes, most recommended is the demo of "third unattended bag on the right", lovely track that one :)

the yeti hunter, Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Nope, I disagree that bravecaptain stuff is terrible but it’s not as constant as his stuff was during his days with the Boo Radleys. It’s funny you should ask about this because I have been in the process of putting together a best of bravecaptain folder to share on slsk. With each album there are two or three really good songs and felt people should hear the best of what he has to offer. The best thing he has done to date, IMO, was his second release called Go With Yourself (The Fingertip Saint Sessions Vol. II). Here is what I have so far but still about a month away before you see it on slsk because I have no hard drive space left so I’m going to buy a new computer.

The Fingertip Saint Sessions Vol. 1 (2000) – 1) Raining Stones 4) Third Unattended Bag On the Right 5) The Tragic Story [?]

Go With Yourself (2000) – 2) Assembly Of the Unrepresented 4) Where Is My Head? 5) Ein Hoff Le 6) Hermit Versus the World 8) Reuben 9) Go With Yourself

Better Living Thought Reckless Experimentation EP (2001) – 3) Me and You Glue 4) Stronger

Advertisment For Myself (2002) – 3) Stand Up and Fight 5) Rod’s Got One 6) I Was A Teenage Death Squad [?] 9) This Weight That You Have Found 11) Betsi’s Beads 14) Mobitise

All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace (2004) – 1) AWOBMOLG 2) Into Thin Air 3) Every Word You Sound 6) Good Life [feat. Sice on lead vocal] 10) Weaponized

I still have a couple of newer EP’s and random songs to go over but, like I said, still have about a month to get it all together.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 5 June 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd buy a second eggman album. is sice off somewhere selling books?

Sice has shown up on that bravecaptain song (Good Life) and on two other songs from December of 2004. The group is called Meister and has people like Mark Gardner, Idha and Howard Jones also on his album called I Met The Music. The two best songs are the ones that Sice sings however and they are called "Be Love" and "Jealousy" and have this on slsk if you want to hear it.

I LOVED that Eggman album but it never came close to anything he did with the Boo Radleys.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 5 June 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

BeeOK, what's your Soulseek name? I'm doglatin btw.

I think Wilder is an amazing song - never understood the hate for it. Eggman is really really good.

Rather than start a new thread, can we talk about C'Mon Kids now? It was hailed as a welcome return to the crazier stuff at the time but maybe it's aged just a bit? I never really liked the title track or What's In The Box but Ride the Tiger and Everything is Sorrow are great songs; Four Saints is sonic bliss as is Bullfrog Green; but there is quite a lot of filler on it. Still very good. I'd say if Wake Up! is Carr's Pet Sounds then C'Mon Kids is Smiley Smile.

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I must investigate this best of of yours, Bee.

(I should say that the self-title debut album by the Works, a Dungen spinoff band, *really* reminds me of the Boos in shoegaze/Beatles mode, more in feel than in specific sonic reference. It's more self consciously a late sixties/early seventies sound but it's done extremely well, search it out if you can.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a storming remix of What's In The Box on one of the singles, by Kris Needs perhaps? The Boos could use a remix compilation almost as urgently as a proper b-sides collection, if only to get all the Lazarus versions in some kind of affordable format.

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

That would be nice.

Meanwhile, demi-inspired by this, I am listening to my CDR burn of Ichabod and I from many years back. Mmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Went back to my Dad's house today and found all my Boos goodies including my copy of Ichabod and I (i was never sure if it's an official version because it has no label on it and the hole in the middle is slightly too big but the sleeve looks fine); a limited edition 12" of Lazarus with those remixes on it; the Does This Hurt? 12" with Buffallo Bill; the 7" that came free with C'Mon Kids.

Just wish I had a vinyl player...

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Just listened to the whole of C'mon Kids and I'm sad to say it didn't grip me like it used to or in the way Wake Up has of late.

I was never sure what to make of Kingsize - a lot of it was good and a lot of it sounded a bit bandwagony and old-before-it's-time and a lot of it sounded like a Christian rock band.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

if "free huey" wasn't on that album, Kingsize would be my second favourite record of theirs. as it stands, that song is a blight and seems to bring the whole album down with it.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i've recently learned to love kingsize, even 'free huey', but yeah it obviously doesn't fit on that album. it would have been a better fit on 'c'mon kids' which is my fave boos album. it could have replaced 'fortunate sons'.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I looked at my Boo's section in my CD collection, and was amazed at the number of variations the "Lazarus" e.p. came in. 2 or 3 different USA versions and four UK ones... (various remixes/accoustics/promos for Giant Steps)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 6 June 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm - Cmon Kids is probably the least satisfactory Boo's album. Maybe that's harsh: everything from "Meltin's Worm" (what a lyric! Love the spooky King Crimson sound effects during the verse) to "Fortunate Son" is terrific, some of my favourite Boo songs but...
Sice should never, ever try to compete with Liam Gallagher. The other problem with the title track is the same as "Twinside" - it needs to be quick & streamlined. Maybe a little more knowing too (quote from Martin at the time: "Cmon Kids? Yeah, right grandad...")
Shelter is filler. They might have got away with it in a different track order. Sice & Tim thought "Annie & Marnie" should be on the album. I agree.
"Ride the Tiger" revisits "Wilder" which is ok but "...I don't really need to be the way I are"?? I suppose someone will try to tell me that's authentic Wirral dialect but I didn't enjoy Crispin Mills sending it up in the singles reviews.
"One Last Hurrah" is an unlikely but nonetheless great finale. Wonderful spooky prog-rock fade-out.
Kingsize is great: mature. A band should have a spring, a summer and an autumn. Perhaps the running order lets it down. "Free Huey" could be a minute shorter & promoted to track 2. The mid-paced stuff from "Adieu Clo-Clo" through to "Comb Your Hair" needs to be split up. Great albums either take-off at the end or bliss-out. Kingsize would have to be the latter, in which a new home needs to be found for "The Future is Now."
By the way, "Don't Take your Gun to Town" was a b-side from "Find the answer..." Hope I haven't got the title wrong.

Bodenheim Snr, Monday, 6 June 2005 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

When "From the Bench at Belvedere" came out, my take on it was "There'd be rejoicing in the street if that was the new Beatles' single" (which was imminent at the time) "But it wont be as big, and the actual new Beatles single will be a massive let down and will still be a big hit anyway"...

Boy was I right.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 6 June 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Annie & Marnie would have been great on C'Mon Kids. I reckon they could have ditched the hard rock and hip hop tracks and gone for all out psychedelia. Plenty of great b-sides from the C'Mon Kids era to have made it so.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 6 June 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I've only recently latched on to the Boos, but I've been playing their last 4 albums nigh on constantly for a few weeks now. For what it's worth, given that my lack of previous lends a slightly different perspective, I'd say C'mon Kids was my favourite. It's the most 'satisfying'...such a colourful record...all those amazing bursts of sound. Get On The Bus, Everything is Sorrow and Bullfrog Green is one mother of a triple whammy.

I already owned this album and Kingsize without particularly liking either, but hearing Giant Steps triggered some serious reassessment. Epic, EPIC shit. I was having a spot of difficulty with Wake Up! at first, preferring that more 'crunching' sound they did, but now I love it. Whatever you think of *that* song, I like to think of it as Martin Carr's 'Good Vibrations'. You know, a bit of a 'pocket symphony'. Thinking on, someone really should write a symphony about pockets.

Kingsize, I'm still struggling with. There's the spine of an absolute classic there: the first four tracks (even *gulp* Free Huey) are superb and seem to be taking the album on this kind of grand, serpentine adventure but it seems to hit a bit of a buffer after that. The title track is one of the best songs I've ever heard, The Future Is Now is a cool, breezy way to end the album, but other tracks just seem too much to have 'required assembly'...which can be a good thing...but with stuff like Clo-Clo, the main trunk of the song doesn't really fit the coda (those extended wig-outs they did so well). Also, said 'trunks' aren't very good, which is bound to be a problem. It does sound at times, as Martin Carr said, like he'd almost given up by this point.

Maybe it will click eventually. In any case, I haven't indulged in one band so much since I went out and bought SFA's entire (then) catalogue 5 years ago after digging Radiator and Outspaced out of my collection and giving them long overdue listening time. A not dissimilar story, but one for a different thread altogether I suppose.

Pretty fucked off I'll never get to see the Boos live, actually.

Sixpac Drinkur, Monday, 6 June 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Having decided post-this-thread that C'mon Kids was my favourite, I played it for the first time in ages the other day and, as you say, it didn't engage so much. Fleeting bits of it are so gigantically wonderful but these tend to be tiny corners that get lost among lots of waffley meandering passages and things (second chorus of "Ride The Tiger": yeah! / extended midsection and dull strummy outro: bah)(first third of "Bullfrog Green": godlike / doo-wop remainder: crushingly disappointing). The ones that I really did enjoy were the songiest songs i.e. the ones that didn't totally change direction and scuttle off down some unexpected flamenco-skiffle-dub passge just as they were getting going. "What's The Box?" is the equally-as-joyous snarly flipside to "Wake Up Boo!" and "Meltin's Worm" is ace ace ace and "Everything Is Sorrow" is a much better (less dry) ballad than anything on Wake Up!.

C'mon Kids thrills on a way more visceral level than Wake Up! but it does seem to stall and wobble a bit more than I remembered. I still think I like it better, but only just. Kingsize needs to lose "The Future Is Now" (and maybe "Monuments For A Dead Century") before I will consider it best-Boos-evah!-contender, but I do like how much tighter and less jangly it is than Wake Up!. I always loved "Free Huey", I thought it was like they were trying to be Republica.

"Belvidere" pretty much wipes the floor with everything else, on reflection. But a whole album of this would have been a bit drab.

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, "Belvedere" and "Oh Brother" had me hoping high for the album. But "Cmon Kids" didn't click for me. I had an advance copy, but stopped playing it before it was released for real. The b-sides compensated though...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have to dig out Ned's b-side collection for the summer.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed Alex in Doncaster and Sixpac's last posts and would say they're very much OTM.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

BeeOK, what's your Soulseek name? I'm doglatin btw.

BeeOK and I'm usually hang around in the I Love Music room as well.

I will be back in a bit to write my thoughts on Kingsize.

BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(I should say that the self-title debut album by the Works, a Dungen spinoff band, *really* reminds me of the Boos in shoegaze/Beatles mode, more in feel than in specific sonic reference. It's more self consciously a late sixties/early seventies sound but it's done extremely well, search it out if you can.)

Thanks for the Ned!'

I am really starting to love ILM!

BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

'the' should be 'that', I hate not having a edit button

BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

(and maybe "Monuments For A Dead Century")

hmmm...i thought it was safe to assume that this was one of the best songs on Kingsize.

I don't much like Boos lyrics, i think this is why I prefer 'C'mon Kids' because he does oddness a better turn than earnestness. Shelter isn't filler, it's a solid album track.

I saw the Boos open for Better than ezra, a miserable experience as all the dopes there kept talking while they played their 8 song set, ugh. saw them on their own a few years before and they were horrible then, one big ball of black noise, hard to get anything out of it.

keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"Just a simple song but God I love it Embedded in me, so bittersweet" from 'Jimmy Webb is God'

That just about tells it all. I could write out a three-page review of why I love Kingsize but will cut it down and try not to get too personal.

I had just about giving up on trying to find someone, anyone on this earth who thought this is by far the best thing the boos have ever done. Than because of the anthology album Find Your Way Out that is coming out (July 4) the question came up on bravecaptain board, what is the best album? To my shock and amazement this beat ever other album easily when I thought it would be Giant Steps that would win.

First my criticism of this album is that 'Free Huey' does not work. In fact I always thought I hated this song but it’s not bad on its own. So I am so use to skipping this song every time I play the album it doesn’t even feel to me like it’s part of it.

I have always been drawn to powerful music that seems to draw me in and speak to my inter soul. When you can relate to ever single song on an album than you know you have something special. With age comes wisdom and everything just seem to come together perfectly for this album. Martin Carr has never written better lyrics before or after this period in his life. So I can understand this album not speaking for a lot of people but for the few it has it seems to have really made a certain connection.

It made me laugh that someone said that he felt like this was a Christian rock album. Martin is not a religious man but did write songs that might seem that way but really they are about drugs and friendship. "Now we’ve high as monkeys Now we’ve come so far You and I are simple friends no more Now we’re high as monkeys Opened a few doors Let the sunshine crash into our souls …Thinking fast and feeling free And there’s no one who can touch me Higher than the universe itself Thanks I don’t need no help."

'Kingsize' is the Boo Radleys best song and is a powerful statement when they have a song called 'Lazarus' but is true. I always felt that song would be the song I dedicate to my wife someday…

Their best ever single is on this album as well but was never released as such or on the UK version of this album. 'Put Your Arms Around Me And Tell Me Everything’s Going To Be OK' is pure pop genius, IMO.

'The Future Is Now' is also a peek into what he would be doing next with bravecaptain stuff. 'Song From The Blue Room' is a much better or perfect ending for this album however.

So I do understand many, many people not getting or liking this album. I also feel it doesn’t reveal itself for a bit and could be a bit off putting a first. The rewards are so much greater in the end but could be just me.

Deon

BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The song before the start of the album is called 'Tranquillo' but is really nothing.

Username: Put Your Arms Around Me And Tell Me Everything's Going To Be(e) OK

BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I totally forgot there was a secret track at the beginning of this album. Nice review BeeOK. I'd love to write more but I'm late for work.

Maybe it's because I knew the end was nigh for the Boos when it came out that I couldn't bring myself to love Kingsize. I rushed into the shops on that October day expecting some kind of display with THE NEW BOO RADLEYS! written on it. But no, I had to ask a shop assistant who directed me to a forlorn bit of the shop. I could only be disappointed by the packaging which, on the outside looked like a Wonderstuff poster on a student's wall, and on the inside could have been knocked up by an invalid with a vague grasp of MS Paint.

Still it's the music that counts. I remember being delighted by the drill'n'bass intro, being a massive Aphex Twin fan at the time, but even then still recognising it as tokenism.
Still the first two songs were fantastic. The Old Newsstand especially working as the perfect partner to Belvedere. Free Huey I'd heard already. Never liked this - it sounded dated even at the time and saying things like "Republica" doesn't help it at all. What are the lyrics about?
Monuments For A Dead Century on first listens sounded like a horrible attempt at cashing in on millennium fever, but is redeemable as the only song on Kingsize to have a proper wigout.
I agree with whoever said the middle section of the album needed breaking up. Eurostar and Adieu Clo Clo are both great songs but far too similar to be stuck together. Jimmy Webb Is God, a fantastic track in itself with a sublime coda just gets lost. I don't often make it to the end of this album because of this.
I always skipped Comb Your Hair because it sounded almost exactly the same as a Pulp song that came out about the same time. She Is Everywhere is a welcome return to Wake Up lyricism and almost partners tracks like 4am Conversation.
Altogether, Kingsize is by no means a bad album, it's just a little halfbaked and unfocussed compared to the Boos in their prime.

Gotta go, or I'll be late.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 08:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I completely agree with Bee that Kingsize only reveals itself to be their best album after a fair few plays. I can understand if people give up before that stage, but it really is worth it. I was co-running the Boo fanclub at the time (had been since around the re-release of Lazarus), and I remember that for the first time, I wasn’t very taken with the early versions of the songs I was playing. The band didn’t seem too happy either, although I think they were just getting tired of a lot of things rather than being unhappy with the music. Up until that point, everything had seemed effortless for them – they would breeze into a studio and knock things out at a fantastic rate. It all just *happened*. But Kingsize seemed like more of a slog.

When I check back, the finished album tracks were almost the same as the ones I was having a hard time with – simple things like good sequencing brought the album to life a bit. Free Huey and Kingsize were grafted on as late additions (ironically the worst and best tracks). The early demo of Kingsize was drone-pop, and sounded like early Spiritualized, who Martin used to adore.

It was heartbreaking that they split on the back of such a great album. But if no-one is buying your records, what can you do?

Ian Edmond (ianedmond), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi there Ian! I've heard of you but I don't think have directly talked with ya, so welcome. Please hang around so I can scarf what remaining rarities off you that I still need (I only half joke).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

It seemed a bit of a coinci that they split up 'just' before Creation gave notice of the closure/takeover by Sony...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I know it was a US only track but it’s really excellent

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:36 (one year ago) link

Agreed and one of their best songs.

It's actually called "Put Your Arms Around Me and Tell Me Everything's Going to Be OK" and yes, where I got my username.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:49 (one year ago) link

I'm going to admit it here. I have listened to the new album a lot this year. It's pure AOR crap but with Sice singing it works for me.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:54 (one year ago) link

Not on the reissue IMO because Cherry Red has a tendency to lift from retail UK CD singles. It's possible whoever compiled didn't know it existed. C'Mon Kids bonus 7" tracks and Kingsize single promo tracks also get overlooked. I have a quite a few of their reissues and this appears to be a common theme

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link

Man, "Wake Up Boo" is such a fucking dark song. "For what could be the very last time" - what are you saying here, Martin?

Marcello on WUB (and the glorious Wake Up! in general): http://nobilliards.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-boo-radleys-wake-up.html

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 01:36 (one year ago) link

I thought this album was pretty shit at the time, after liking the previous 2 and the EPs. Sold it years ago. Still think It's Lulu was a terrible song for a single. Maybe it's worth another listen

even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 02:17 (one year ago) link

It's Lulu is embarrassing trash imo, but the rest of the album is lovely Beatlesy melancho/psychedelia

Quite annoying the B sides from this era are missing from Spotify, and I'd love a deluxe reissue with those on, but here's an alternative tracklisting for Wake Up I made (It's Lulu swapped out for Bench at Belvedere)

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0nH15duwTKTYLvM23hC0aB?si=zwnly104QHifai02d_WOow&utm_source=copy-link

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 06:07 (one year ago) link

Love that Marcello write up. Interesting he mentions High & Dry at the end. One of my first property concerts as a teenager was the Boos on their Belvedere tour at Cambridge Corn Exchange, and I remember the venue piping High & Dry through the foyer on the way in and thinking momentarily that the Boos had already started playing

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 06:25 (one year ago) link

Heeeeeyyy what's that noise?? Do you rememberrrrr?? Do you remember??

Psychocandy Apple Grey (Pyschocandles), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 09:11 (one year ago) link

*proper

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 09:52 (one year ago) link

I did buy the new Boo Radleys' album to help it make a mark in the album chart (failed..).

Played about half of it, it's nice but..

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 11:20 (one year ago) link

I feel bad about this, but I just don't want to hear it.

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 12:00 (one year ago) link

I'm ignoring it completely.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:13 (one year ago) link

Would love to have Sice as therapist <3

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:20 (one year ago) link

It's like a beef chili without any chili in it.

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

a couple of months ago i found both cd singles for 'wake up boo!' in a charity shop bin.
the second cd has a rather mad 9 minute track :
'music for astronauts'
kicks off with the standard track and then morphs into a full on excess of timestamped baggy beats enhanced with acid squiggles and samples.
i.e. it's rather wonderful, and something i did not expect.
however, the final track on the ep, 'the history of creation parts 17 & 36' will never get listened to again.

mark e, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:52 (one year ago) link

I still have never heard “blues for George Michael”, it’s supposed to be a super mental bside yeah?

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:57 (one year ago) link

does your ilx email work ?

mark e, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:57 (one year ago) link

Blues For George Michael is my favourite song by them

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link

It's super mental

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link

ta, mark!

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:32 (one year ago) link

"Blues for George Michael" didn't make my ballot when we did the Boo Radleys polls but a bunch of B-sides did make my ballot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHCVEtWKPTw

Bee OK, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:34 (one year ago) link


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