Blackboard Jungle Dub

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Ahhhh,thanks Dada/Tim. I was relieved to find it did indeed start w/someone saying "LION", that's some sign of authenticity I think. Pity I don't have Blackboard Jungle yet. I got Super Ape tho, I'm really liking these cheapass bootleg vinyl things I'm getting

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Dadaismus, the point is that Perry released things and then carried on working on them (or at least had multiple 'finished' versions, none of which was necessarily definitive). This is why I think it's best not to be too trenchant about 'original', and certainly not about 'definitive'.

Of course, so let's agree that this a re-issue of an album called "Upsetters 14 Dub Blackboard Jungle", which was released in Jamaica in 1973. Not the definitive or final "Blackboard Jungle" perhaps but the first.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Dum-di-dum... My 12-track cd copy of "Original" Black Board Jungle Dub, gotten several years ago, has Perry on the cover - in a blue helmet, in front of a drum kit...

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I am so buying this today.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Remixed by Roc-a-fella?

(just testing)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Although there was always a certain charm about the invariably warped and highly crackly Clocktower vinyl, seemed to be appropriate to the lurching, raggedy rhythms.

Exactly! I have the Lion w/ Helmet version on vinyl and the hiss and cracks are insane on some tracks yet they actually do seem to make sense in that whole hazy Perry sound.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i had a listen to some of the new one at lunchtime. it is also very obviously dubbed from vinyl. sounded OK tho'.

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i have the lion in a helmet version (what a sweet cover for my early dub explorationn!) on lp, and it might as well be an ashtray, buckled as it is. any links to the new CD issue (US,UK)?

Beta (abeta), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Bugged Out posted this link upthread:

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Blimey though, the Blood & Fire Satta rhythm LP mentioned in that review is tremendous all the way through. Like many rhythm albums, it is not to be consumed at one sitting, however.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Is this the one whose original pressing had 3 mixes: left channel, right channel, and stereo?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

aw man, this is a UK (re)release.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Rounded corner case makes it EVEN MORE DIFFICULT to get the booklet out!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 8 April 2004 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link

these rounded CD cases first appeared about a year ago. I acquired a couple of CDs using them in quick succession and assumed it was going to become the new standard. But until the Upsetters, I haven't seen one again since

(btw, Sounds of the Universe has Wailing Souls at Channel One if you're still looking for this, PJM)

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link

That's where I went, Zebedee. They must have sold out for a while. Mind you, I didn't ask for fear of ridicule. Who was it that said the best music makes you fell like you're sixteen?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:19 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, I want to ask them if they had the new Jazzman records 7" with France Gall on the A-side (it wasn't in the 7" racks) but was too scared to ask. are we sad or what?

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link says this was released Monday just gone. It's £13.99. I need it, don't I?

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:40 (eighteen years ago) link

You can get it cheaper if you shop around. I don't know what the four bonus tracks are doing on it - I'd rather they weren't there at all. Not that they're bad, they just don't belong there, being from entirely the wrong period an' all.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Who does the DJ voicing on Dub Organizer? Anyone know? Dillinger possibly?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, Dillinger!

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I had a listen to this on a listening post. It was good. But I didn't buy it. I did get Wailing Souls at Channel One though. 9.99 at HMV. Also available in the same shop for 16.99.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Tim!

trojan have bunged out Blackbd Jungle themselves as part of a 2CD set with Cloak and Dagger and Revolution Dub.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm I wonder if someone's pirating something?

I understand that BJD is a recognised classic but I love C&D more.

PJM: how's the mastering on that Wailing Souls comp? What I know of the content (I suppose about a third of it) is tremendous.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Revolution Dub the best. Funny thing is the Trojan release that I'm talking about doesn't look like a Trojan release - also it was £10 in HMV - if they'd have stuck it in a card sleeve in the new Trojan 'brand' style they could have charged £15, as with the recent T. Zukie, Sly and Robbie, etc releases. Wierd.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Less than a month after shelling out a tenner for "Blackboard Jungle Dub", this appears. Curses on you Trojan, you incompetent schwein you. But actually no, because I didn't own either "Cloak and Dagger" or "Revolution Dub" before so didn't mind getting three brilliant albums on one CD for 8 quid (from Avalance in Edinburgh folks). If you don't buy this CD you're all mad, madd I tell you. "Cloak and Dagger" is great, halfway between an Upsetters instrumental album and a dub album - actually it is a dub album but because it was released a year before "dub albums" were invented it's not usually referred to as one. "Revolution Dub" is fabulous, but where can one find the original of "Woman Gotta Have It", I believe it's by Bunny Clarke??!?!?

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I have it on a Trojan LP called "Shocks of Mighty" which came out in about 1987 or '88. Yes it's Bunny Clarke. That same LP has a murderously good version of "Be Thankful (For What You've Got)" cunningly called "Be Thankful".

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man, got to find a copy of that "Shocks of Mighty" album, I love the dub version and I love Bobby Womack's orig.

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to it on headphones, the usual scratchy seven-inch distorted disc dubs that Pressure Sounds fans know and love so much. Do they deliberately go out and look for extra-knackered records?

I don't usually moan about this sort of thing in case it makes me look less hardcore.

It's still nice to listen to, though.

You can get it on vinyl too, which saves you the trouble of knackering your own. It looks nicer on vinyl.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Pardon me, I went looking for a picture of the LP, and this: says that "Be Thankful" is Bunny Clarke but "Woman Got To Have It" is Jimmy Riley. Easy mistake to make. And it's on Attack rather than Trojan but they are the same thing anyway...

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link

It sounds more like Bunny Clarke than Jimmy Riley tho

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:01 (eighteen years ago) link


Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I have got BE THANKFUL by DONOVAN CARLOS on RANDY'S 17 NORTH PARADE. On a different CD, IMPACT!, the same song is credited to DONOVAN CARLESS. Crazy, crazy, mental shit.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

that "shocks of mighty" album is genius, except some of the dub versions are mixed with the original tracks into one big long track. bit annoying if your making mixtapes!

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

this is a fantastic record

i've been digging into reggae lately, after really taking a liking to the studio one soul jazz comps from this year and last year, and figuring out where to find sounds i like, how to steer clear of too-ploddy roots reggae.

and i've listened to some dub before, late 90s, early 00s, on the back of mad professor dubbing 'protection' probably, and i could like it some and understand the appeal -

but this record actually sounds like all the stuff you read about dub, the playing-the-studio stuff, instruments popping in and out of the soundfield, drum hits given their own little moments of presence - not just watery echoing and big bass. but what i like most is that you can hear all these little scraps that sound like early 70s-mid 70s playing, highlighted for their lyricism.

j., Sunday, 14 September 2014 22:26 (seven years ago) link

it's really good. my copy is hard panned left and right though

monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Sunday, 14 September 2014 22:40 (seven years ago) link

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