Defend the Indefensible: Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer...

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Vanilla Ice made a valuable contribution to the demise of rap-metal with Hard to Swallow. And Hammer, um, well, he was pretty good on The Surreal Life. He and Emmanuel Lewis should have teamed up to star in their own hour-long buddy-cop drama where they fight crime on the mean streets of Pensacola.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

Man, I guess even Phil had his off days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

And yet I remember it to this day!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

Vanilla Ice>David Bowie>MC Hammer

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

Suge's men dangling Ice from a hotel balcony (if I remember the story correctly).

That's it.

That's my "defense of the indefensible" -- the stories made me laugh, therefore Ice's musical career is worthwhile

My thinking, too.

George Smith, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

They are fun to name drop, and they make me think of Due South and I like Due South.

Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

Once i played "U Cant Touch This" while DJing and at first it was embraced, but I found that the track just dragged on FOREVER. It should've been about 2 minutes shorter than it was.

"Ice Ice Baby" is fantastic. You play that song when DJing and it's like you're the second coming of ... i dunno... the second coming of someone really awesome.

Don't play like you dont know all the words to either of these songs either, cause you do. And if you dont, you're probably looking them up right now.

Sarah Natalie (Running from Taxes), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

'Superfreak' and 'Under Pressure' are both better than the tracks that sampled them (/rockist scumola)
in Vanilla Ice's defense, he looks funny doing that monkey dance in the 'Ice Ice Baby' video wearing black tie, shirt and waistcoat

in Hammer's defense, 'Pray' is fucking fantastic (partial Prince credit)

-- stevem (bluesk...), February 4th, 2004.

You don't have to get all defensive about not being rockist when what you said was completely 100% true.

Also, Hammerman wasn't the WORST cartoon of its time, and featured the voice of the greatest actor EVER, Clark Johnson.
-- Huckadelphia (handsomishbo...), February 4th, 2004.

No way, it came on right after the New Kids on the Block cartoon. I loved them both.

Vanilla Ice looks like Jim Carrey! WTF?
Back when In Living Colour was on, Jim Carrey did a hilarious parody of "Ice Ice Baby" called "White White Baybay"
Whats yer name?
Robert Van Winkle!
Yo, Why'd ya change it?
Nuthin rhymes with Winkle!


-- Lord Custos Omicron (l.custo...), February 4th, 2004.

That doesnt sound very funny.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

David Allen: You had to see the video yerself. The song parody lyrics were kinda lame, but Carrey's portrayal of Vanilla Ice as a clueless twunt was hilarious. The addition of a small bit of "I'm a little teapot/ short and stout" justifies Jim Carrey's existance.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

Vanilla Ice>David Bowie>MC Hammer
Okay...this requires explaining.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

Have to agree with Sarah Natalie.
Both tracks are absolute floorfillers on any dancefloor (more so than almost any other track I can think of that's more than 10 years old), also "Ice ice baby" has got a great low-end.

Jim Janse, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago) link

The "Pumps and a Bump" video was so hot, with all those video hos and Hammer stuffing the elephant tusk into his speedos.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

"Ninja Rap is funny"

I like how in the second Ninja Turtles movie as soon as the Turtles burst through the club where Vanilla Ice is performing, Ice tells his dancers "Fellas, I have an idea...". Without him saying anything else they immediately start dancing in perfect choreography to Ice's supposedly improvised "Ninja Rap". I guess they had a ready-made song prepared just in case giant, man-sized mutant turtles burst through the walls of the club.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

The freestyle skills of him and his band are phenomenal.
(cough)

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

Ice's Behind the Music is my favorite Behind the music ever. And Ice Ice Baby is actually great.

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:34 (twenty years ago) link

Vanilla Ice in interviews scares the living shit out of me. This guy is NOT HAPPY about being a laughing stock and seems ready to kill anyone who ever says "yup yup" to him again. Jon Stewart, Janeane Garofalo, Chris Kattan and Denis Leary were thoroughly intimidated by him when he appeared on their MTV Special about the 25 lamest videos of all time. He's got pain.

While I'll love him forever for making Cool As Ice ("Yo, Kat! Words of wisdom! Drop that zero and get with the hero!"), which I showed to every friend I could back in high school, I don't think I'll ever forgive him for saying that he would lick his grandma's asshole for a million dollars. Such a moral quandary should not be introduced.

See, their song goes dee-dee-dee diggy dee-dee. His goes DEE-dee-dee-dee diggy dee-dee. It's totally different!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:41 (twenty years ago) link

Hammer stuffing the elephant tusk into his speedos

SPIN's Jonathan Bernstein gave that video the "Please Hammer, Don't Hurt Me!" award.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think I'll ever forgive him for saying that he would lick his grandma's asshole for a million dollars.

Has Eminem ever gone that far?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

The only line of Ice's Eminem-hate rap I can remember is "Eminems? I eat 'em like candy." Like ICP's calling him "Slim Anus," it seems like his enemies can't help but use homoerotic imagery when attempting to dis Shady.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

I think we can all agree that Ice's cameo in TMNT2 and his infamous "totally different" comments more than validate his existence.

I'd also like to throw that time he appeared on MTV's 12 Angry Viewers and personally took the baseball bat to the master copy of his video into the mix for contention. Also the time a couple years later he took the bat to a bunch of other crappy videos on MTV's Worst Music Videos Ever That We Will Never Ever Show Again dealie.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:48 (twenty years ago) link

But the homoerotic imagery is just so appropriate...

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:48 (twenty years ago) link

I was actually tempted to buy the Vannila Ice/MC Hammer 2-artists-1-CD greatest hits thing I found at Wal-Mart (the most apropos since the Jesus Jones/EMF one), but there were way too many ballads and Ice was half-represented by his live material! WTF?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

The absence of "Here Comes The Hammer" and "Havin' A Roni" was criminal.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

I will defend "Ice Ice Baby" and "U Can't Touch This". OK, "2 Legit 2 Quit" and perhaps the Addams Family track, too. Makes me wonder if those discs are still home in Wisconsin right now. I must be a closet Hammer fan.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

And judging by how many people in my elementary school WORSHIPPED Vanilla back in the day, I have to assume he's a secret influence on a lot of young undie rappers out there. More than one skating rink fieldtrip in school featured To The Extreme played IN ITS ENTIRETY for the children. Me, I was heavily into REM and wasn't having none of it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:53 (twenty years ago) link

And judging by how many people in my elementary school WORSHIPPED Vanilla back in the day, I have to assume he's a secret influence on a lot of young undie rappers out there.
He's obv the Jackie Robinson of rap. Except that he sucked.

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

Judging by his flow in "In The End," which is like a harpoon daily and nightly, I'm guessing Mike Shinoda would have been busting "Ice Ice Baby" with the rest of the kids in the back of my school bus.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

One teacher actually had us read the lyrics for some "rap is poetry" deal but wanted to change the "damn" line. It became (with help from us) "so fast, all the DJs say darn/I fight like a cat without a ball of yarn."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:00 (twenty years ago) link

oddly enough we didn't change the lines about gunplay.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

Cats get mighty ornery without their balls of yarn, I guess. But still, the line is about as intimidating as...Vanilla Ice.

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

He's still very rich and makes his money these days in real estate.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

yall know that ice, uh, i mean 'rob' is on the current season of 'the surreal life'? and that he completely freaks out upon seeing iconic photos of him back then in the house? and goes way, way, *way* too far trying to get gary coleman to stand next to todd bridges and say 'whatchoo talkin about willis', even though that is the exact same thing about his own career that pisses him off?

fucking classic.

heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

oh and that he's got serious anger management issues?

heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

Nardwuar interviews Vanilla Ice (17MB mp3)

adamth, Thursday, 5 February 2004 05:32 (twenty years ago) link

i liked the hammerman cartoon. it came on just after bugs bunny. and hammer never did a nu-metal cd, so he wins!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 5 February 2004 05:35 (twenty years ago) link

I like things that have vanilla and smell like vanilla, so...

Aja (aja), Thursday, 5 February 2004 05:37 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Indefensible? INDEFENSIBLE!? Surely MC Hammer is the greatest artist of our time! Or would be, if he was around now! Unfortunately he wasn't. Unless of course your time was his time. But still... F U! Hammer rules!

Speedy, Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

The only positive thing I can say about MC Hammer is he was considerably less pathetic than Vanilla Ice.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

http://hetemeel.com/einstein/46687.jpg

Miguel, Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

They were both fun and excessive.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Neither are indefensible. Both made at least one or two great party songs that I wouldn't be upset to dance to even tonight.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 29 April 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The only positive thing I can say about MC Hammer is he was considerably less pathetic than Vanilla Ice.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), April 29th, 2006.

I think someone here feels a little threatened by these two Gods of music.

Speedy, Sunday, 30 April 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
The only line of Ice's Eminem-hate rap I can remember is "Eminems? I eat 'em like candy." Like ICP's calling him "Slim Anus," it seems like his enemies can't help but use homoerotic imagery when attempting to dis Shady.

I don't know where either Vanilla Ice or ICP get off sledging Eminem. At least he's a real fucking rapper! (and I'm hardly an Eminem fan, but god, them's the facts)

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 25 August 2006 05:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how in the second Ninja Turtles movie as soon as the Turtles burst through the club where Vanilla Ice is performing, Ice tells his dancers "Fellas, I have an idea...". Without him saying anything else they immediately start dancing in perfect choreography to Ice's supposedly improvised "Ninja Rap". I guess they had a ready-made song prepared just in case giant, man-sized mutant turtles burst through the walls of the club.

-- latebloomer (posercore24...), February 4th, 2004.

Omigod yes!! Go Ninja Go Ninja Go!!! I went to see this movie when it came out in the theater and on the marquee his name was in big letters right under the Turtles. I was so happy.

It's too bad Hammer's Addam's Family song isn't more infamous. I remember listening to it alot when I was a little kid (my name's Adam) and he keeps saying "To the bridge" and I had no idea what he was talking about. I imagined the song was taped live and they were all walking across some steel bridge on stage, knees bent, hands pumping in the air...

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

"Scary" dude from his addam's family video: hey Hammer, what do you think of that taco?

Hammer: Proper

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 25 August 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Pump It Up (Here's the News) was a fucking jam...so was Turn This Mutha Out....pre-Hammertime Hammer is so underrated...also Juicy Gotcha Crazy by Oaktown 357 (which I think he "produced" - I'mm sure pappa would know)....

him and early Mix-a-Lot are also probably a super underrated infl. on dudes like Timbaland and Pharrel, they were sticking with electro type beats all thru the boom bap era.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

It seems quite unfair to lump these two together. He may not
have aged well, but for his time, he had some solid numbers.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/490/491733.jpg

rofl.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 9 December 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link

jesus god this one is worse

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Platinumunderground.jpg

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 9 December 2007 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I pity Vanilla Ice.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 9 December 2007 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Sunday, 5 April 2009 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link

^^^^^ classic

III IV V (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Sunday, 5 April 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAZz3c6WC7M

omfg. what is up with those pants? and his horrible attempt at beat boxing?

i heard/read way back when that Vanilla Ice was loaded ... that he invested his royalties wisely and shit. if it's true, it doesn't make his music better or his musical persona any less pathetic -- but unlike Hammer, he's at least avoided visiting the bankruptcy court (AFAIK).

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Saturday, 9 July 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

i always thought 'ice ice baby' was a terrible single. too long, plodding, repetitive to no good effect, bad flow.

'u can't touch this' on the other hand is great: unforgettable hook, funny, bouncy, everything a classic single should be.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 9 July 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

Bo Jackson, maybe some trickster had gone and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhmiR18iGVg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Sunday, 10 July 2011 07:25 (twelve years ago) link

Woops, pressed send too early. Anyway you get the idea

Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Sunday, 10 July 2011 07:26 (twelve years ago) link

"Ice Ice Baby" is fantastic. You play that song when DJing and it's like you're the second coming of ... i dunno... the second coming of someone really awesome.

this is still true 7 years later. very very popular song at nightclubs, weddings, parties, i get requests for this every time i play out. i understand the songs weaknesses, and also what a complete goof mr. winkle is, but this song is a classic. and frankly i don't think it would still be as popular if v ice hadn't been so stupid looking and unintentionally funny either, that's built into it's ongoing appeal.

same goes for "can't touch this" but tbh i don't think it's quite as good a song, and it's still popular but not on the level of ice ice baby. however hammer does still get consistent props from any and all bay area rappers to this day

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

Ice Ice Baby is one of my Dad's favourite songs, and he's 64.

Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

Still like "Ice Ice Baby." Remember the first time I heard it. I was driving around Detroit with Mr. Fine Wine and some DJ just kept playing it over and over and wouldn't play anything else.

Twenty Flight Rickroll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

ha ha - oh my that seriously made me laugh!

xpost to dog latin

HAMMER takes it. U Can't Touch This >>>>>>>>>> Ice Ice Baby

I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

Flavor Flav & MC Hammer To Join Charlie Sheen At Insane Clown Posse Festival

O_O

HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

Hammer - cos it's Hammer yo Hammer MC Hammer Go Hammer

and the rest can go and play

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 01:11 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

When Hammer grunts 'YEEEAAH, BOYYYYEEEEE' in 'Let's Get it Started' it sounds like he's pinching one off.

If I'm honest in reappraising his skills, he's really not that much better an MC than Blazin' Hazen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXb6bjCCtuY

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:31 (five years ago) link

that's unfair

you missed the part where he smoothed out his rapping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haxYckO6-ok

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:32 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFCv86Olk8E

the video for "2 Legit 2 Quit" is beyond insane and is LEGIT amazing. yes it features James Brown throwing Hadoukens of energy at Hammer.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link

It took me forever to notice it for some reason but, once I did, Hammer's tendency to randomly sprinkle his rhymes with rolling 'r' sounds (often when there was no 'r' to roll) started driving me batshit. It's all over this track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwshr5uAlOA

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link

yea the 2 Legit video is pretty awesome - love how it's a not-so-subtle attempt to one-up Michael Jackson

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link

OL i definitely picked up on the rolling r's

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link

btw the Rifftrax crew has tackled "Cool As Ice" and it is hilarious. it really is one of the great bad movies.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link


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