this thread is for reaffirming the classicness of the feelies' crazy rhythms (do not read if you hate the feelies' crazy rhythms)

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ok, so maybe not Tom Petty, but still! who/what can explain their shift from cool-speed-"downtown"--to the mellow "suburban?" sound of their later lps? anton fier's role?

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"i saw them live a bunch and they were ALWAYS amazing. live all those songs just became 100X more thrilling (and i LOVE the records)"

everybody keeps telling me so and I'm fucking jealous of all of you.
also, about their later albums: they are so unpretentious, subtle, simple without being simplistic. they had this marvellous, almost ascetic understatement. and songs like "deep fascination", "invitation", "find a way" are just so good.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"ok, so maybe not Tom Petty, but still! who/what can explain their shift from cool-speed-"downtown"--to the mellow "suburban?" sound of their later lps? anton fier's role?"

Age, I guess. And maybe a little bit of disappointment.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"disappointment"? say more...

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

and maybe the fact that they spent less time "downtown" and were a suburban band!

I've been dying to hear the early live "punk" Feelies stuff, and would assume that compared to that stuff, Crazy Rhythms already shows them moving in a different direction.

But I stand by the belief that, at least with the Good Earth, the structure, the energy, the sound, the aesthethic, isn't as different from Crazy Rhythms as most people assume, it's just a slight shift in the arrangement.

Let's hear it for the Trypes EP and the Yung Wu record as well. I've been looking for the Dave Weckerman solo 7" of Shore Leave for a while...I think you can still order Young Wu and maybe Good Earth as CD-rs from Coyote/TwinTone.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

crazy rhythms is super classic...never heard the good earth though.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm a mutant I guess... I always preferred It's Only Life...

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I was listening to Raised Eyebrows as I saw this. Probably my favorite song on Crazy Rhythms. Very underrated Feelies song.

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i never listened to that yung wu album that much when i had it years ago. if i see it around i will get it. i love the wake ooloo album i have though! i put off buying one for so long (i don't know why) and now i want more.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember one gig, opening at CBs (they were always opening at CBs), where they were pounding away one one droning chord. Mercer broke a string. They paused for five minutes for him to replace it. Then went right back to pounding away on that same chord.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'm a mutant I guess... I always preferred It's Only Life..."

i like the good earth as much as it's only life. i always kinda seperate the first album from everything else. they are all great.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

if i remember well, the first line-up imploded after problems with the label, basically caused by the lack of commercial success of CR - this despite the good reviews and philip glass interested in producing their second album (or so i read somewhere a million of years ago).
the feelies mk II never seemed really interested in having a "real" career in music - the rejection of their earlier urban sound in favour of the "rural" one of "The good earth" tastes (at least to me) like a retreat in a safer, more comfortable territory.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

which also coincided w/ the rise of american guitar bands on college radio--REM, et al--right?

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

who/what can explain their shift from cool-speed-"downtown"--to the mellow "suburban?"

They're from New Jersey. They weren't chic downtown cool hipsters; they were dorks from across the river. They were a populist band, whether they were successful at it or not (see Something Wild).

wild xpost

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

The Yung Wu album isn't quite as great...but it's certainl "feelies-esque"! The first song, Shore Leave, had been released as a single by Weckerman years before, in 1980 or so, and is a great song. I need that ASAP.

I don't think the later stuff, or at least the Good Earth, is necessarily "safer", some of it as angstful as Crazy Rhythms, maybe it's just a bit more subtle, and a bit more acoustic. Otherwise I think the songs aren't that different. But it's also the production...Crazy Rhythms being marked by much electric guitar played direct, whereas Peter Buck's production of the Good Earth is more conventional.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't find the Yung Wu album. Been sort of looking for a while.

Dan your comments re: the Good Earth are OTM. I thought it was just a sort of more acoustic/more straight forward Crazy Rhythms. It doesn't have the immediacy of youth, but it does have the warmth of experience.

Fantastic.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

you are OTM re: the production on the Good Earth. i just miss all that hyper midrange-y clatter!

i have that Shore Leave 7" (autographed, even!) somewhere...

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Peter Buck has cited Crazy Rhythms as a major influence on early R.E.M., so, in a sense, the Feelies could have been looking toward that mid-80's college radio scene they arguably helped spawn. Coming full circle and reaping the rewards, so to speak. And, of course, they hired Buck to "produce" The Good Earth (though I wonder how much of that record the band actually produced themselves).

I'd guess that if the Feelies had remained together and recorded an album or two between CR and TGE, the difference between the two may not have seemed so glaring.

James, Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i coulda sworn i had a 12 inch single from thegood earth. but i can't remember what the single was or what the b-side was. am i crazy?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I fucking love the Feelies. This band deserves the reish treatment moreso than a good portion of bands who've already had it.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw feelies open up for rem once. guess who i liked better that night.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, I'd love to hear some of those live boots!

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"I don't think the later stuff, or at least the Good Earth, is necessarily "safer", some of it as angstful as Crazy Rhythms, maybe it's just a bit more subtle, and a bit more acoustic"

I agree - when I say "safer" I dont mean less risky, just literally retreating in their hometown (sorry if I'm not able to express myself a little bit more clearly). The difference between the two albums is all in the "perpetuous nervousness" of CR and the "slowdown" of Good Earth (with everything this title also implies).
Anyway, please reissue these albums soon!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

and regarding new bands drawing from the period, you may want to check out Oxford Collapse, a NY trio. I'm not sure about the various recordings as I haven't heard much, but I had them open up for the Nightingales and they KILLED IT, totally great. They have a bit of a post-hardcore/punk energy, but the melody/music draws primarily from The Embarrasment, REM etc, real 80s US college rock. On their website, download "Back in the Corn Again" for starters.

http://www.oxfordcollapse.com/

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

that paint it black promo is the one to find. it has a bunch of live songs on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I have the 12-inch "Pain it Black" promo, is that the one you're referring to? Pretty sure it has album tracks on the B-Side.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I was recently wondering why someone hasn't resurrected the Feelies sound circa Crazy Rhythms.

the aforementioned oxford collapse do this. i highly suggest everyone checks out butterglory's rat-tat-tat for more.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

also, ive heard talk of the feelies playing live for a few months now.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I was just going to mention the Oxford Collapse before Maria and Dan beat me to it.

mike a, Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

re: oxford collapse sounding like the feelies, check out "cracks in the causeway" on their newest record a good ground. i swear everyone will love it.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"They Never Got You" on Spoon's Gimme Fiction is rec. to any Feelies fan who hasn't heard that album.

I should throw Crazy Rhythms on again. I love it so much.

The Tom Petty thing is wrong in the sense that they didn't become Petty-esque, but I can see the later Feelies stuff as being closer to Petty than their earlier stuff. It's not OTM but its aspiring to OTMness, a state Nabisco would achieve but two years later.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"Pretty sure it has album tracks on the B-Side."

i thought they were live. what do i know?

i liked the one oxford collapse album i heard okay. the one band that really reminded me of them was groovski. they are polish/polish-american. they changed their name to grovski though, cuz everyone thought they were a jam band. it was a good move. groovski is a pretty bad name even if you are polish. or at least their guitars had that satisfying jangle. they reminded me of the wedding present a little too. none of you will ever hear them though, so, um, nevermind.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

here's Groovski's site. Next time you want to act like nobody can hear a band, find their site, scott!

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

also, ive heard talk of the feelies playing live for a few months now.

Really, this would be something. I missed 'em the first time. They played Maxwells, I think, when I was in high school in NJ and I almost went but I didn't have wheels.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post i just meant that i think they put out their record themselves and all that. they aren't on anyone's "radar", you know?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

the feelies, or version of the feelies, play more often then anyone realizes and I always miss it. They played Maxwells just a year or so ago. Not the orig. lineup, one is gone to Florida for good or something. And it's usually under some other name.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

>of course, they hired Buck to "produce" The Good Earth (though I wonder how much of that record the band actually produced themselves)<

Why assume this?

To me, early REM pwnz all over the Feelies for scope, breadth, passion, etc.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i like early rem. i don't really compare the two. maybe i should, but i never have. i don't think of rem when i listen to the feelies.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah me neither. I was just reacting a bit to your comment on the show. I think I saw REM five times in the early days and I just can't imagine them being topped by the Feelies in spite of the fact that the latter had really good guitar players.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

My first impression, knowing little about the band aside from an album that showed up in a record store I was working in so I put it on (and I'm reasonably sure this is a cliche) was Lou Reed fronting REM.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan's probably thinking either of Yung Wu (who opened for one of Yo La Tengo's Hanukkah shows) or The Sunburst (basically the Trypes' lineup). The Feelies have always had offshoot bands; I don't think either of these is meant to be "them."

mike a, Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"Lou Reed fronting REM."

i saw them open for lou once too, and they were better than lou! and they probably would have been better than lou even if rem were lou's backing band. no, really, they were GREAT live. and rem could be really good too. i only saw them (rem) twice a zillion years ago, but they were always entertaining.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"Why assume this?"

Jim DeRogatis wrote about the Feelies in his book about psychedelic rock, and suggested that the Feelies mostly produced themselves on The Good Earth. Since DeRogatis has connections to the Feelies (he was Speed the Plough's drummer on their first album, which Bill Million produced), I'm thinking he wasn't just making this up but probably knew something. I've read similar stories about Crazy Rythyms - that the band produced themselves on thatrecord. The Trouser Press article from 1980 included on that Feelies fansite suggests as much.

James, Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I know I read somewhere that Peter Buck basically chilled and said stuff like "you missed beat once but whatever." His presence was valuable but hands-off or something.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

the ep i used to have (the one i thought was a single) doesn't even list buck in the credits even though there is an album track from the good earth on it:

Track list:
1. The High Road (Mercer/Million) 4:20
2. She Said, She Said (Lennon/McCartney) 2:49
3. Slipping (Into Something) (Mercer/Million) 5:57
4. Sedan Delivery (N. Young) 2:57

Line up:
Glenn Mercer (guitar, vocals)
Bill Million (guitar, vocals)
Dave Weckerman (percussion)
Brenda Sauter (bass)
Stan Demeski (drums)

Notes:
Produced by: Bill Million, Glenn Mercer
Engineered by: Don Sternecker
Recorded at: Mixolydian Studios, Boonton, NJ

i'm not saying that buck didn't lend an ear though. he probably did. it's only life, which million & mercer produced, doesn't sound THAT much different. they had more money to spend. that's about it. i'm sure rem helped them get on to a major. no doubt about it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i really need to get a copy of time for a witness. i haven't heard it in a zillion years! since it came out practically. i musta sold my tape for booze.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Time for a Witness is quite terrific. One of the songs (I think it's "Sooner or Later" but I don't have my copy handy to check) sounds like a great lost Byrds-era Gene Clark song. "Doing It Again" is another high spot.

James, Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

that version of "sedan delivery" is so rad.

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the feelies, or version of the feelies, play more often then anyone realizes and I always miss it. They played Maxwells just a year or so ago.

Why don't I ever know about these things?

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

and i do wanna get the new glenn mercer cd too.

i haven't heard time for a witness in so long it will be like having a new feelies album!

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link

best thing about time for a witness is the reversed photo in the cd booklet that makes everyone in the band look like a lefty. that warms my lefthanded heart every time i see it.

second best thing is the la's-esque pop of "doin' it again."

but as feelies albums go, it's very meh.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link

i remember being really excited when it came out, but i didn't play the tape much.

seriously, if there are feelies fans who don't own wake ooloo's hear no evil, they should buy it. i love that album. i'm ashamed to say that i don't own the other two wake albums. i'll get around to it, i swear!

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link

i dunno, i'll rep for Time For A Witness -- definitely the most straight-ahead of the Feelies records, but it has a great guitar sound and some nice tunes. But I love everything those guys have done. they should be headlining coachella, amirite? Anybody else pick up the Glenn Mercer solo CD last year? It might have a bit more of a "Feelies" sound than the Wake Ooloo stuff. More subdued than anything else he's done but pretty nice all the way through ... any news on them putting out the pre-Crazy Rhythms stuff mentioned upthread? PLEEEEZE.

tylerw, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Great band, and one of the most consistently listenable, too. There's rarely a time when they don't fit the mood or setting.

All four records are strong, I can't even pick a favorite.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link

hay i just ripped my cd so i can listen on the computer. it was a conicendece

the galena free practitioner, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link

and what about the Smithereens soundtrack!

I first heard about / saw part of this film last week. Here is one of many notable things about it: at the very end, the van is occupied by a bunch of hookers, among whom is a tranny hooker played by a young Chris Noth.

So if anyone ever challenges you to a degrees-of-separation thing where you have to get from Sarah Jessica Parker to Richard Hell in one move, there you go

nabisco, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link

The Glenn Mercer album is pretty good, though not on the level of The Feelies at their best or Yung Wu. I kind of like the cover of Within You Without You/Love You To. It's on emusic.

dlp9001, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

This album didn't make any sense to me until I played it EXTREMELY LOUD and fairly drunk. Then it became one of my favorite albums ever.

I always recommend this to people who like Marquee Moon, though to me Crazy Rhythms > Marquee Moon by a nose

When the hell is that deluxe vinyl reissue deal supposed to be coming out???

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 March 2008 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link

see here for that news plus exciting reunion news:

the feelies - classic or dud?

sleeve, Sunday, 23 March 2008 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

just posted a Crazy Rhythms-era live show over on the blog: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/ so good

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

playing this live in September at ATP of course :-)

Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link

GRRRRR!!!!

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, yeah, that's how I feel. wonder how it'll sound? probably great, but it didn't seem like they played all that much off of Crazy Rhythms during the reunion shows last year -- just the title track and "Raised Eyebrows" I think ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Tyler, you have the best blog. Thank you. More feelies!

I seriously considered making a pilgrimage to maxwell's with Mrs. Staggerlee for those shows. Alas, do not have an extra $2000 lying around.

ALAS.

staggerlee, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

awesome, tylerw, thank you

i went for a run that lasted the duration of 'crazy rhythms' not long ago. i found it exhausting

thomp, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.tomwarren.com/music/images/feelies_30.jpg
crazy rhythms recording sessions! more here:
http://www.tomwarren.com/music/Feelies.html

tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

good lord, this band was/is(?) perfect.

chromecassettes, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

nine years pass...

nothing here that hasn't circulated previously, but a cool way to approach the pre-Crazy Rhythms years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HjrcAhmH_U

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link

I was dancing round the shop when I found the Stiff "Crazy Rhythms" in our local Oxfam for £2, early last year.

Mark G, Friday, 15 January 2021 08:13 (three years ago) link

those ork records version of fa ce la and forces at work are so good

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 15 January 2021 13:07 (three years ago) link

I think of this record sort of like Wire's Pink Flag - an atypical debut whose style they never exactly returned to.

I saw them opening for Lou Reed in 1989, and if they were not the best band I've ever seen live, they were certainly the best whose music I didn't know before seeing them. They covered "Dancing Barefoot" as someone mentioned above, and either said nothing or no more than "thanks" to the audience.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 15 January 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link


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