"Well, you can call me Jay..."
― Michael White, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't really fathom how people do it, but I do find something about that notion of child-having kind of great! I mean, it requires a deep-down belief that the basics of having a life -- growing up with your family, engaging with the world, falling in love, having your own family -- are more important and better gifts than maximizing the success of just a couple children. It seems sappy as I type it, but that's kind of a gritty optimism! It's a belief that just living a life, no matter how it turns out, is a worthwhile thing ... which is an idea that I think is strangely absent or undervalued in the middle-class US a lot of the time.
― nabisco, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I like it too, but a lot of times, FUCK, these kids are pooooor.
― Abbott, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link
naming your kids with the same letter
I don't know, I went to school with a few of the kids from a huge family (13 or 14 kids) where all the names ended with the syllables "erry": Barry, Cary, Gary, Harry, Jerry, Mary, Perry, Terry, etc. That way, the parents didn't have to remember the kid's actual name, just get close.
― Jaq, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Isn't this just inertia at this point?
― B.L.A.M., Friday, 3 August 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
See, I feel exactly the opposite of nabisco here, because it's not like we're running out of human beings anytime soon, but we are running out of the kinds of things that families like this tend to use up at a prodigious fucking rate. You can have the kind of thing you describe with two kids just as easily as with twenty.
― Phil D., Friday, 3 August 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
lot of player hatin' on this thread
― da croupier, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean, it requires a deep-down belief that the basics of having a life -- growing up with your family, engaging with the world, falling in love, having your own family -- are more important and better gifts than maximizing the success of just a couple children. It seems sappy as I type it, but that's kind of a gritty optimism!
It's funny, nabisco, 'cause my ex-wife's Breton mother was one of 17 kids, the mother of whom grew up in a house with terre battue (beaten earth) floors and barely spoke French. One kid died in Indochina, one in Algeria, one was rather retarded (I met her. She warned my ex-wife to be careful about the red skins in America.), and several otheres died from alcoholism and suicide The brood's mother was dead by her late 50's. The whole thing seemed less like gritty, Protestant optimism and more like obscurantist, peasant fatalism with a nice overlay of some weird kind of French gothic decadence.
― Michael White, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link
If she had been willing to shell out just a little bit more for the Wallogina model, she could have saved herself quite a bit of time.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link
wonder how much a 7000sq ft home in rogers, arkansas costs
― Granny Dainger, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Phil D OTM
― Sundar, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
LET'S FIND OUT!
xp
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
http://homes.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?mindt=1%2f1%2f0001+12%3a00%3a00+AM&maxdt=12%2f31%2f9999+11%3a59%3a59+PM&source=a15696&ctid=1140&ml=3&typ=5&sid=38aae90216b64f41a64c5fc12a404d6b&pg=155&lid=1070364777&lsn=1550&srcnt=1557
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 3 August 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link
messy.
approx 7K ft sq on .5 acres (!!!!!!!) of land for 2M. 5 total bedroom(s), 5 total bath(s), 4 total full bath(s), 2 total half bath(s)
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 3 August 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link
-- da croupier, Friday, August 3, 2007 10:52 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
lol!
― s1ocki, Friday, 3 August 2007 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link
You can't really have the same thing with two kids, Phil, because then you have only given two people life, and you could do it with more -- even with Michael's example, I think the optimism lies more in thinking that the fact of someone having a life at all is an extraordinary thing, and worthwhile even if it consists of much struggle or unextraordinary results. Here is life, go forth into it, etc.
I am not saying I recommend this, or that families couldn't comfortably live up to that around like 8 births -- just that I find it an interesting mentality to find in the western world, and there are notions in there that are worthwhile. People often talk about the economic reasons families in the third world have lots of children, but possibly leave out this mentality, where just having a child and sending him/her forth into the world is a thing in itself, just so long as you can feed it.
Seventeen still beats all, but my parents both come from families hovering around the 10-children point -- and on at least one side of the family, the idea of random east-African farmers having a bunch of kids and half of them winding up college professors in the US offers some slight recommendation to this sort of thing not always ending in misery. The thing is, even if all of those children hadn't lucked out, had died of childhood diseases or become random east-African farmers of even smaller plots, I'm not sure I'd describe it as some awful fatalism for my grandparents to have just been happy they had kids who saw the world for a while and struggled like everyone else.
That's probably not a good avenue of comparison, though, because in the third world the only real question is whether you can feed the child or not -- the west offers opportunities to invest in the child, to offer better education and buy things that make him/her happy, and so on...
― nabisco, Friday, 3 August 2007 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, rest assured I am not saying this is a wonderful plan, just that there's some kind of faith and optimism somewhere in there that I, umm, find touching and admire, from a great great distance.
― nabisco, Friday, 3 August 2007 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link
More must pass on our awesome, awesome genes!!!
― Andi Mags, Saturday, 4 August 2007 00:14 (sixteen years ago) link
xp - but that house is in Little Rock, which is almost like civilization.
― milo z, Saturday, 4 August 2007 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Looking at the mom and one of the eldest girls, is this the actual family from the "Vagina, it's not a clown car"? photo? That pic was around in 2003 and I think there were 13 kids on it then, so that might be about right...
― JTS, Saturday, 4 August 2007 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.foxnews.com/images/303007/0_61_080307_17Kids.jpg
I like how the older kids are all smiles and the young ones are like "BEWARE BEWARE"
― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 4 August 2007 01:35 (sixteen years ago) link
http://cache.bordom.net/images/f4417fa96d0de8973a80bf49624aadce.jpg
― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 4 August 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link
looks about right
― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 4 August 2007 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh god is it that family? Hahaha.
― Trayce, Saturday, 4 August 2007 01:41 (sixteen years ago) link
An Apostolic Lutheran family near where I grew up was rumored to have had 23 kiddos. That's like two soccer teams plus a ref.
― dan m, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Is it evem good for the body to have that many children? Eep.
― Trayce, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link
does that really matter?
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:26 (sixteen years ago) link
People from that denomination were widely known to drive big 12 or 15-passenger vans to hold all the kids. If you drove by one of the churches you'd see it wasn't necessarily an inaccurate stereotype.
― dan m, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link
there's been at least one filipino family that got up to 30 or so
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I would put money on these people having no idea where babies come from
― bernard snowy, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
how do you mean
― iiiijjjj, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link
cause i mean like he's has sex with her at least 17 times, maybe even more if you know what i mean
― iiiijjjj, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link
I think he's saying that maybe they do not get the connection and perhaps think that the Lord is just Blessing them with an Enormous Tax Exemption.
― Clay, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Tontitown has some good Italian food.
And yes, it's the same family in both pictures.
― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 4 August 2007 03:01 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Phil D., Friday, August 3, 2007 6:51 PM (Friday, August 3, 2007 6:51 PM) Bookmark
yeah maybe they should at least try using some cloth diapers instead of 90k disposable ones!
― tehresa, Saturday, 4 August 2007 03:29 (sixteen years ago) link
The whole thing seemed less like gritty, Protestant optimism and more like obscurantist, peasant fatalism with a nice overlay of some weird kind of French gothic decadence.
I'm late now, but I have changed my mind about my screen name.
― kenan, Saturday, 4 August 2007 03:52 (sixteen years ago) link
depends on what you make, doesn't it?
― kenan, Saturday, 4 August 2007 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
even in this first world
― kenan, Saturday, 4 August 2007 03:56 (sixteen years ago) link
<i>You can't really have the same thing with two kids, Phil, because then you have only given two people life</i>
"Only." If you really value "creating a life" as a good in itself, any number greater than zero is sufficient.
― Phil D., Saturday, 4 August 2007 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link
no, if you value "creating a life" as a good in itself then you can always do more good by creating more lives (at least until your womb dries up or your husband becomes impotent, which is god's sign that you've done enough).
― bernard snowy, Saturday, 4 August 2007 14:09 (sixteen years ago) link
http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/monthly_07_2007/post-1337-1185581304.jpg
― cankles, Saturday, 4 August 2007 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link
also, http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf
― cankles, Saturday, 4 August 2007 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link
if they had put a bun around it my getting-it time on that first post would've been much improved
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 4 August 2007 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't get the hot dog or the babby .swf :-/
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 4 August 2007 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link
from a freeper
To: Liberty1970 Looks are deceiving. Actually, according to close friends of the Duggars, the older kids are in complete charge of the younger ones. Yep. Mrs. D gives birth and breastfeeds - then the older ones take over. She also does something called blanket training. Blanket training means putting a baby on a blanket, using a stick to hit all around the edge of it as a threat to baby not to come off the blanket, or it will get the stick. Once baby is so trained, mom leaves it there so she can chat with friends. Raising kids or what? They get a lot of donations from people - so while it's not govrernment welfare, JimBob doesn't really provide. With all the publicity he exploits his family and his sexual appetite for material gain. Sad. Using children for political and material gain.
Actually, according to close friends of the Duggars, the older kids are in complete charge of the younger ones. Yep. Mrs. D gives birth and breastfeeds - then the older ones take over.
She also does something called blanket training. Blanket training means putting a baby on a blanket, using a stick to hit all around the edge of it as a threat to baby not to come off the blanket, or it will get the stick. Once baby is so trained, mom leaves it there so she can chat with friends. Raising kids or what?
They get a lot of donations from people - so while it's not govrernment welfare, JimBob doesn't really provide. With all the publicity he exploits his family and his sexual appetite for material gain.
Sad. Using children for political and material gain.
― milo z, Saturday, 4 August 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.staralicious.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/dina-lohan-lindsay.jpg
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 4 August 2007 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Throwing a hot dog down a hallway:
In this fun phrase the hot dog represents a penis and the hallway represents the enormous vagina. Usually due to the fact that the woman has had many many sexual partners which has stretched the vagina walls to the size of a "hallway".
― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 4 August 2007 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I've heard it as 'throwing a banana up broadway...'
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 4 August 2007 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link
throwing a welly up main street
― darraghmac, Saturday, 4 August 2007 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Josh Duggar, one of the members of the family that stars in TLC's "19 Kids and Counting" ... was the subject of a police investigation for allegedly sexually molesting 5 girls, some of whom are his sisters.The story was broken by In Touch Weekly, but TMZ has confirmed with law enforcement that Josh Duggar -- who was around 14 at the time -- was the alleged molester against 5 girls starting in 2002.According to the police report, Josh fondled the genitals and breasts of the girls, some of whom were sleeping, but sometimes they were interacting with him ... in one case reading a book. There was another reported incident 9 months later. According to the police report, the police were not immediately contacted. Instead, Jim Bob, the dad, met with church elders and agreed Josh should be put in a treatment program. The police report says Josh's mom, Michelle, said it wasn't really a treatment center ... they simply sent Josh to a guy who was remodeling a building to do manual labor.In 2006, the family was scheduled to appear on "Oprah," and before the show someone sent an email to Harpo warning that Josh had molested girls. Harpo forwarded the email to a hotline, which triggered a police investigation.Cops wanted to question Josh, but Jim Bob lawyered him up and Josh declined the invitation.Josh, who is now 27, apparently cannot be charged because the statute of limitations has run.As for the Duggars, one of the family members told investigators, "this entire incident had brought the family closer to God" ... this according the police report.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-sexually-molested-minor-girls-sisters-19-kids-and-counting-tlc/#ixzz3anqo2BCB
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 21 May 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
assholes tried to cover it up and endangered any kids this asshole anti-gay activist came in contact with.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 21 May 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
I like how they sent him to a state trooper they knew for a stern talking to - and that state trooper is now doing 56 years in prison on child porn charges
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 May 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
oh how that "stern talk" must have gone
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 May 2015 23:38 (eight years ago) link
When Josh returned, the Duggars still did not contact authorities. Instead, they took him to Arkansas State Trooper Jim Hutchens's home. He was a Duggar family friend. According to the report, Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a "very stern talk." In Touch reports that Hutchens is now serving 56 years in prison for child pornography.
Stern talking to: "Don't get caught"
― Mark G, Friday, 22 May 2015 06:58 (eight years ago) link
really surprised this thread wasn't started by D@n P3rry
― brimstead, Friday, 22 May 2015 07:03 (eight years ago) link
Show cancelled
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 22 May 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
xp: it was started by someone who went to my high school, is that close enough?
― DJP, Friday, 22 May 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
just when things were gettin good!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 22 May 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
still marvelin at the state trooper thing. "Let's send Josh over to Jim's house - he uh, seems like he's had some experience with this kind of thing"
InToich stripping meat from bone regarding the interview: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-interview-7-crucial-facts-they-didn-t-tell-you-the-cover-up-continues-59917
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 5 June 2015 06:35 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nbc12.com/story/29246186/there-she-goes-again-sarah-palin-says-youre-spitting-on-american-soldiers-graves-by-criticizing-the-duggars
― StanM, Friday, 5 June 2015 23:22 (eight years ago) link
I knew ILX would have a thread about this story, I just had no idea it would be titled "vaginas are not clown cars."
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 5 June 2015 23:36 (eight years ago) link
Not least because "clown car" implies accommodating numerous individuals simultaneously, not in succession.
― ed.b, Saturday, 6 June 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
At the circus, clown car arrives, clown gets out followed by another clown, then another, until an unfeasible amount of clowns have alighted from the vehicle.
There. Who says analysing comedy kills the humour?
― Mark G, Saturday, 6 June 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
But then the oldest clown starts molesting the younger ones.
― StanM, Saturday, 6 June 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
Not least because "clown car" implies accommodating numerous individuals simultaneously, not in succession.― ed.b, Saturday, June 6, 2015 10:48 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ed.b, Saturday, June 6, 2015 10:48 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nobody said the duggars don't have vivid imaginations.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Saturday, 6 June 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
hey guys, good news! my friend from college who was kind of religious who then married a really religious dude and got into the whole "quiverfull" thing woke up and got divorced! it only took four or five kids, but then she apparently was like "whoa dude I am not having any more kids, i'm out of here"
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 14 May 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
Josh Duggar has been arrested for receiving and possessing child sexual abuse material. Haven't thought about these guys in a while.
― peace, man, Friday, 30 April 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
I knew ILX would have a thread about this story, I just had no idea it would be titled "vaginas are not clown cars."― Mr. Snrub, Friday, June 5, 2015 7:36 PM bookmarkflaglink
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, June 5, 2015 7:36 PM bookmarkflaglink
full-on belly laugh
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 30 April 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link
Misread thread title as vaginas are not clown ears And now I’m kinda done
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 1 May 2021 12:37 (two years ago) link