Jimmy Fucking Stewart

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it's a wonderful life is basically the most depressing movie ever made.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i love it^^^

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

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I'd moved on to Harvey! which is just a corny filmed Broadway comedy ... like Arsenic and Old Lace.

His best line in It's a Wonderful Life is "Why'd we hafta have ALL THESE KIDS???"

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

As an old man, he starred in a fucking heartbreaking Mormon Xmas film called Mr. Krueger's Christmas:

http://mymerrychristmas.com/2005/images/krueger2.jpg

"Jimmy Stewart plays Willy Krueger, a widowed apartment janitor who daydreams to escape his lonely life.

He muses about being a man of culture and means, picturing himself as the conductor of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, and imagines himself in the stable with Mary, Joseph, and the infant Jesus."

Here he is imagining himself as MoTab conductor:

http://mymerrychristmas.com/2005/images/krueger.jpg

"It paints almost a pathetic picture of this lonely character and causes one to wonder how many folks out there just might be on the verge of perceived madness because fantasy is their only refuge. Other characters in the film treat Mr. Krueger warily and these scenes of him lost in thoughts of better and more hopeful situations almost drives us there too."

Abbott, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

WHOA GET THIS:

While visiting India in 1959, he reportedly smuggled the remains of a supposed yeti, the so-called Pangboche Hand, by hiding them in his luggage (specifically, in Gloria's underwear) when he flew from India to London, as a favor to Tom Slick.

Abbott, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

it's just really...ugh. depressing!! his brother is such an asshole, fuck him even if he is a war hero, i always take that "luckiest man in bedford falls" line as being so sarcastic. his life is going to go right back to being complete shit on boxing day and you know what? he's still stuck there too! goddamn. ppl who watch it and are all like "what a heartwarmer" are like the opposite of me in every way possible and basically that seems to be everyone who watches this movie every year.

if harvey is corny then 99% of movies from that era are corny, bro (which is pretty well true but i don't think you should be using this in a derogatory way). harvey is an incredibly funny movie and his performance in it is terrific.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the monkey and the drunk banker uncle

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the guy who is givin out wings.

i mean i am not saying i dislike the movie necessarily, just that ppl who gush over it and get all sentimental about it freak me the fuck out.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.usps.com/communications/newsroom/2007stamps/images/stewart100.jpg

Abbott, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.jimmy.org/themes/jimmy/images/page/courthousestatue.png

Abbott, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Your thesis would work if Capra ended the movie with George floating dead in the river. (also, Potterville looks pretty fun)

Search: Dana Carvey doing elderly Stewart on the Carson show, reading Beat poetry

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

george floating dead in the river would be a vast improvement, to me.

but otm re: Potterville!

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

(also, Potterville looks pretty fun)

violet looks pretty fun.

but yeah, it's never sat well with me that george never gets to do anything he wants to do and shows no sign of ever doing so. What's the message?

kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

"if you're nice and reliable for too long you're going to get fucked in the ass by everyone you know"

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

pretty much!

kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

favorite line: "Why do we have to have all these kids?!"

kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Awww, it's a widdle plushie Pooka!

http://store.jimmy.org/images/Harvey_125.jpg

Abbott, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i've probably told some of the people here about the wonderful life "christmas village" my friend's mom sets up every year.

you know those ceramic houses and tiny trees and lights and shit that crazy midwestern mothers put all on their mantles in september and leave up until february. this one is bedford falls.

the model of the bridge has A VERY TINY JIMMY STEWART CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE MERRY CHRISTMAS :D :D :D

ghost rider, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

IAWL is as I've stated before basically the biggest most shameless piece of modern-era conservative propaganda I can think of. It's aimed squarely between the eyes of every middle american who never makes jack shit for busting their ass all day, it's okay because you know what jesus still fucking loves you amirite.

If you change Mr. Potter's name to something that ends with Farb or Berg or Man you also get the bonus of unadulterated nazi caricature!

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

that is so blood diamonds UH BEARTRAPS

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

btw, you are missing THE NAKED SPUR and WINCHESTER '73, two of the Anthony Mann westerns! where he's usually surly!

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

that plushie also looks nothing like the real harvey btw

real harvey is a lot more like the donnie darko rabbit

considering the time travel capabilities I'd say they're likely related

ooh and donnie darko is also the inverse of IAWL! I just figured that out thank you DUH TRON

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

what on earth are you talking about?

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the guy who is givin out wings.


god? or nick?

lauren, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

either.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I know it's not a Pooka. It was for sale at the Jimmy Stewart Museum site. I like how they found some random bunny toy and called it Official Pooka.

Abbott, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick >>> God

kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.twintone.com/minies/89229.gif

ghost rider, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm goin for rope, jimmy stewart in that is like the original columbo

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, he is very, very good in Rope. but I still dislike him.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

the model of the bridge has A VERY TINY JIMMY STEWART CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE MERRY CHRISTMAS :D :D :D

Nothing says Christmas like a suicidal George Bailey.

Nicole, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

donnie darko -> he realizes he has to go back and let himself be killed so the world can be set right
it's a wonderful life -> he realizes he shouldn't commit suicide because without him bedford falls turns into baltimore

SPOILER ALERT SORRY

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone remember the U.S. Acres cartoon where Wade is contemplating suicide and the guardian angel shows him how much happier & superior the world is without him?

Abbott, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

but see he's about to learn! He's about to be shown the horror that is having bars and entertainment in your town!

xposts

kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ok awesome

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

It puts Ferrell and Heder to shame, for reals.

Nicole, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

aw dude, of course IAWL is depressing! that's why i love it!
[also, i thought ghost rider was tombot...]

stevie, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"some terrible thing that yr gonna claim i left out"

HI DERE!

srsly, THE MORTAL STORM features an A+ performance from Stewart as he tries to save his love from the Nazis - good Borzage propaganda (Sarris said something funny about this film - something like "Borzage has an odd objection to Facism")

On the cheeseball side - AIRPORT 77

the only correct answer to this thread can be VERTIGO

gershy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I picked Rear Window, actually, because I think Vertigo puts him almost too much in the service of Hitchcock. Stewart's big moments there -- "Did he train you? Did he tell you exactly what to do and what to say?" -- feel less like Jimmy Stewart and more like Hitch trained him what to do and what to say. In Rear Window he gets to be laid back and funny and obsessed, all in one movie, and all without walking around. It feel like it's more of him.

kenan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, one of my favorite movies ever, so I'm biased.

kenan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

he's great in rear window.
also good in NO HIGHWAY IN THE SKY w/ DESTRY co-star Dietrich

gershy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

IAWL is way misinterpreted because ppl never view it in the context of capra's other films - espec. "meet john doe," which is certainly among the darkest classic hollywood era movies i can think of. the genuine frustration and despair makes the corniness more poignant for me.

i think the ending's supposed to be more bittersweet than ppl assume - yes george never got to live out his dreams, but that's life, yknow? most people don't get to.

despite my love for capra and "liberty valance" i'm gonna have to go with "vertigo" since it basically affected me more than any movie ever. every time i've seen it i wind up feeling like i've witnessed a suicide or something.

J.D., Thursday, 12 April 2007 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

without him bedford falls turns into baltimore

Jeez, I guess I should go somewhere besides Camden Yards next trip.

btw Ally, b4 you get pissed about Ice Cube remaking Mr. Blandings, you shd be aware that this Disturbia thing coming out tomw is apparently a Rear Window ripoff with 20-year-olds (ie, whoever the fuck Shia LeBouef is).

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I know! It looks like it could be funny.

Nicole, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh morbs, that news is terrible. i have no idea what movie you're talking about but everything you just said grossed me out. i mean, disturbia??

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

All the reviews I've seen say it has zero surprises, by the numbers.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

also, my fave interp of RW is that it's really about JS trying to figure out if he wants to marry Grace Kelly (the wedding ring, the different women/couples he spies on, etc).

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

that's an interpretation?

gabbneb, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

yes.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

from the local library along w/Winchester '73 I also checked out THE FAR COUNTRY, which is another gem. Beautiful location shooting in Alberta, though it takes place in Skagway, AK and Dawson City, in the Yukon. Jimmy is a deeply unsentimental cattle driver who has been moving a herd up north with partner Walter Brennan, and despite his best intentions he finds himself making friends (and just as many enemies) along the way, the former including Ruth Roman, Jay C. Flippen, Corinne Calvet, etc, latter including a bunch of fine Western stock actors like John McIntire, Jack Elam, and others. He doesn't want to have anything to do with either his new friends or new enemies, but eventually circumstances dictate he has to choose a side.

Like other Mann westerns it's got a lot more going on than the back of the DVD would suggest, and a leisurely pace that allows for most of the supporting characters to reveal themselves without rushing it and without relying on stock traits. Lots of standouts there.

It's also being released in the UK soon via Arrow, which has me hoping it will follow suit in the U.S.; this DVD looked decent enough but the scope of the film deserves a better treatment on blu-ray.

https://images.arrowfilms.com/Images/3e9d2414-7773-45a2-b94b-71422f3b81a3.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link

I binged a lot of his Westerns a year or 2 ago thru the library. Reading the reactions here makes me think that's not a good way to view movies, cause these all blur together in my mind now. But I thiiiink Winchester 73 was my fav. (I was thinking the shootout in the rocks was from Bend of the River!)

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 29 August 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link

Mann's films are so good that I can only assume his status relative to other filmmakers from his era is simply due to him being a director whose personality was not front-and-center, a guy whose reputation was perhaps that of a workmanlike craftsman rather than someone who chose interesting projects and elevated them seemingly every single time. I've yet to see one of his films that wasn't at least very good and most have been great.

omar little, Thursday, 29 August 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link

yeah Bend of the River has a climactic gunfight at a river, near some rapids.

omar little, Thursday, 29 August 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link

ok now I remember Far Country, really liked that one. Stewart + Brennan, how can you go wrong. Plus the judge was a good villian.
I don't think I've ever seen The Man From Laramie...

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 29 August 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link

Bend of the River was filmed entirely on location in Oregon. I can recognize a fair number of the places it was shot.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 29 August 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

Just seen The Naked Spur and I'm surprised by just how much he still moves me when he has fear in his eyes or just looks anxious. I seen Vertigo a long time ago and I almost can't believe that he had a similar effect on me.

Hard to prove but I think that there's just a bit of James Stewart in so many American comics with mystery/suspense plots.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 August 2023 20:07 (eight months ago) link

From the 50s/60s

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 August 2023 20:09 (eight months ago) link

he's the embodiment of the noble good dude in a lot of ways, but when he's unhinged in his performances (which is pretty frequently), it's believable and often frightening. he shows a deep fury in some of the roles which seems impossible to rein in.

omar little, Monday, 14 August 2023 20:10 (eight months ago) link

even in it's a wonderful life, as things start to fall apart and he starts to lash out, he starts to act more like a family annihilator than a family man.

omar little, Monday, 14 August 2023 20:12 (eight months ago) link

I had "vertigo" on a computerized Scrabble rack today (I think the letters were even in order) with nowhere to play it. Found an open 'n' on the board and laid "revoting."

clemenza, Monday, 14 August 2023 20:26 (eight months ago) link

stewart is so great in conflict with himself, those flawed human moments, his reactions are really nuanced & true to life

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 20:48 (eight months ago) link

He's more frightening than John Wayne.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 August 2023 20:49 (eight months ago) link

stewart is so great in conflict with himself

hell, yes. his best moments on film are sublimely nuanced and calibrated bits of facial expression or physical tension. there are various close-ups in It's a Wonderful Life that are just killer.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 14 August 2023 21:17 (eight months ago) link

I think Ebert said something about how Stewart's combat experience really shown through in most of his post-war performances.

Oh, good point!

No Zing Compares 2 HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 August 2023 21:28 (eight months ago) link

I didn’t really know anything about his military service until I just now read up in his Wikipedia page. Seems to me other guys worked on USO-type stuff and propaganda films but he was flying Bomber missions to Germany.

No Zing Compares 2 HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 August 2023 21:32 (eight months ago) link

yeah his access to that idk “extra gear” that he can shift into must come from that experience for sure, or at least adds to it… he’s not afraid to explore the darker psychological stuff

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 21:33 (eight months ago) link

It really came out with Hitchcock and Anthony Mann, but seems to have always been there to some degree.

No Zing Compares 2 HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 August 2023 22:26 (eight months ago) link

He's more frightening than John Wayne.

Ha! But not more frightening than Lee Marvin.

No Zing Compares 2 HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 August 2023 22:27 (eight months ago) link

ts: crazy-eyed menace vs cold-eyed menace

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 14 August 2023 23:20 (eight months ago) link


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