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you are diligently referenced on both j harris' and a petridis' though marcello.

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mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

before that little derail folks was talkin' about the public / critical reaction to extras s2. the critical raves so often feel like wishful thinking. wanting, needing to have that generation defining masterpiece happening on your watch. i have yet to meet anyone who regards extras as anything other than ok or entertaining.

also on the bad can someone please put Have I Got News For You out of its misery.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

At the risk of inviting hate mail, I'd argue that Gervais and Merchant's second sitcom is, objectively, a patchy programme.

At the risk of, on this reviewer's logic, inviting lynch-mobs to my door, I'd argue that Extras was shite.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Radio Ha Ha is great. I was fooled by it the first time.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes writers employ rhetorical devices.

xpost

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

wait, i'm thinking of that other thing on radio 4. carry on. xpost

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: Yes, but I still think the sentence panders unnecessarily towards Extras when it can really go for the kill instead.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

'This week: Worzel says all reggae is vile.' thread actually linked to from John Harris wikipedia!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

A handful of contributors to the I Love Music boards have strongly attacked what they as a thread of covert racism in some of his work

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

david quantick wrote a book about chris rock?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS COMING OUT OF MY QUIZZICALLY PURSED LIPS?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

to get off the hate and link to Quantick... TV Burp is back on Saturday! woo! Harry on this year's CBB should be a joy.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

for reference or summat from the green wing thread:

To put things into context: Harry Hill aside, all British TV Comedy right now is total shit.

-- Ruairi Wirewool (horseproduction...), January 15th, 2007. (Ruairi Wirewool) (later)


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what were the chances of that happening?
-- mark grout (mark.grou...), January 15th, 2007. (mark grout) (later)


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If you can put CT and Green Wing on a par, you truly show a lack of discernment IMO.
Frankly, now that GW has been and gone, I'm inclined to agree with Ruairi, minus the bit about Harry Hill.

-- You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (papiermachealamphibia...), January 15th, 2007. (Haberdager) (later)


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If you can put CT and Green Wing on a par, you truly show a lack of discernment IMO.
no it's just a 'higher' (or rather 'stricter') level of discernment.

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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'the thick of it' will be back, later in the year, and so will 'peep show'.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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but in a another more accurate sense...
-- mark s (mar...), January 15th, 2007. (mark s) (later)


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but then i do like Harry Hill so it's apples and roundabouts.
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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rubbish
-- RJG (RJ...), January 15th, 2007. (RJG) (later)


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so you keep saying
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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RJG's TV Burp
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), January 15th, 2007. (Dom Passantino) (later)


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Hmm. I was only talking about currently-running comedy shows. If Peep Show returns for a fourth bite at the cherry (and TTOI for a second), I will only be too delighted. Of course, the one I'm really looking out for is Nathan Barley II.
-- You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (papiermachealamphibia...), January 15th, 2007. (Haberdager) (later)


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i think it would be a big ask for there to be a 'great' uk comedy series to be running all 52 weeks of the year. i have low standards perhaps; but i don't ask for a 'great' film each month either.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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of course i too want 'nathan barley' back.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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They could drop scissors on a dog's head this time.
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), January 15th, 2007. (Dom Passantino) (later)


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uh, rose-tinted view there i reckon - but at least it was generating interesting discussion.
one episode of Screen Wipe a month would be good. ditto TV Burp.

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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ha ha Dom OTM
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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as with 'green wing', take away the hype and the expectation it'll live up to 'the day today' and 'nathan barley' was 23 minutes well-spent. i lolled anyway.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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i didn't laugh more than i did laugh etc.
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

We're, what, 18 months away from NB now? Can we work out why it was so bad and so hated yet?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

we already did!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

like, 5 minutes after the end credits!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm talking about THE BENEFIT OF DISTANCE AND HINDSIGHT

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Charlie Brooker's Monday G2 column is weird because you can see the video game journalist in him threatening to break through at any moment. qf the Geoff Capes gag in today's etc.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis you seem to be assuming that the guy from the Indie actually thinks Extras is shite, which isn't what he's saying. Something can be patchy and still have plenty of redeeming features overall

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

It wasn't bad. It was funny, well-drawn and turn-itself-inside-out clever, not to mention superbly casted and acted. It needs re-watching cos it skips from one idea to the next so quick, but yeh, it's awesome.

And Screen Wipe rocks.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Brooker should start doing his columns in cartoon strip form, like those ads for some gaming shop or other that were always in Gamesmaster magazine

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

ok 'nathan barley' in the oh-7: that corner of east london had probably lost its edge well before 2005, but now it feels even less edgy. the kind of magazine the show is lampooning is long gone. i have even forgotten the name of that sleazenation guy the guardian hired. but there were some very good throwaway gags.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

the IT crowd was about 300 times better than nathan barley if we're talking post being any good chris morris.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i know a person who knows the redhead, from that.

it was good, but not 300 times better than 'nathan barley'.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

30 times?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

IT Crowd would've been a lot better without the Irish guy.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

no. i actually disagree that it's better, but even if i dodn't i wouldn't say more than 1.5 times.

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steve otm

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

it had jokes and didn't feel like an attempt to make a big insightful statement about something. nathan barley missed so many targets, pulled so many punches and generally got the tone wrong (we should HATE NB) that for me at least its glaring faults overrid any of it's mildly amusing qualities.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

well this was the thing, we weren't entirely supposed to hate nathan barley.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you sure that's not just because they fucked up the characterisation?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

oh he was hateable enough but his foil dan ashcroft, ie the viewers, was not much better. and i guess you can hate someone and be jealous of them.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

if you don't hate him what's the point? the original tv go home columns had him (or maybe it was his frineds) getting blowjobs from underage hookers and stuff. in the tv show he's just bloke in a silly hat who says daft things. how are we supposed to give a shit about might boosh man if all he's supposedly kicking against are people who are a bit silly? they could have created a proper comedy monster but it was just nothing.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

the original tv go home columns had him (or maybe it was his frineds) getting blowjobs from underage hookers and stuff.

this happened in the show except he thought she turned out not be under-age (at which point NB thinking it now okay to pretend she WAS under-age was actually quite a clever little point about...something or other).

i did hate NB but yes no less than anyone else around him.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

no more, rather

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought that was kinda the idea, that NB was a harmless berk, mooching around London and getting into scrapes like a coked up Shaggy, and DA (because of his own self-loathing) decides to not sort himself out, but instead write columns about how idiotic the rest of the world is.

Actually, scratch that, that's not the idea at all. It's funny caricatures falling into situations and scrambling to return to the status quo whilst simultaneously being trapped; a very old-fashioned sitcom thread. I certainly didn't feel that is was trying to make a big insightful statement about something, at least, nothing larger than "it's better to like something than to dislike something."

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

the barley getting a bj ep was better than any 'it crowd'.

'THIR-FUCKING-TEEN'.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Acrobat OTM.
In TV Go Home, 'Cunt' was unbridled misanthropy. 'Nathan Barley' gave us a guy who was a bit of a tool. You could forgive Barley being sympathetic if it was an entirely naturalistic piece, but the tone was so inconsistent.

In fairness, I guess originally Barley wasn't really a character, just a cipher, and in making him human Morriss and Brooker made him more, er, human. I just don't think that made for great comedy. It wasn't sharp enough to be genuine satire and it wasn't silly enough to be knockabout comedy. It was just 'dark'.

Ruairi Wirewool (Ruairi Wirewool), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

on a thread that started with a load of gervais bashing... Barley should have been presented more like david brent. deluded, egotistical, actually unpleasant but whom we might in the end feel some sympathy for. all the "idiots" seemed nice, there was so sense of infighting or bitchiness which seemed wrong to me. also they could have had some more funny lines.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

So was the "nicening" of NB down to Brooker, Morris, or Channel 4 themselves?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

what do YOU think?

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

'Cunt' was very funny in TVGH, on the whole, but a half-hour show on actual telly where he actually did those things would have probably been a bit shit to say the least

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I've just rememberd Baddiel's Syndrome again.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

lost classic?

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

certainly one of those two

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Should have been 30 minutes each week of David Baddiel pointing out who people look like.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Or a study of people who keep saying things sarcastically even if they mean it sincerely (this may be more Newman Syndrome tho).

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

those baddiel and skinner unplanned episodes are the nadir of something or rather. some cultural wave definetely died on that sofa. faux laddism or whatever john harris, james brown called it finally dying on it's arse as middle aged men bullying people without microphones.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

'So was the "nicening" of NB down to Brooker, Morris, or Channel 4 themselves?'

I doubt whether Channel 4 enforced any 'nicening'.
You know, maybe Barley always looked like that in Brooker's head, and if you boil the actions in any of the episodes down to the kind of 3-sentence description that you would find in TV Go Home, it wouldn't be that different. But TVGH gave the impression that Barley was a cartoonishly horrible amoral grotesque, and that's not what we got in the TV show. We got 'idiots'. I hoped it would be either venemous or ridiculous and it was neither.

Ruairi Wirewool (Ruairi Wirewool), Monday, 15 January 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

francis macdonald of teenage fanclub etc on myspace on gervais:

pt. I

pt. II

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

For me it's Joanne McNally this year, for absolute comedy snob reasons. She's just not for me. I don't rate her one bit.

I absolutely love John Robins (fellow Queen enthusiast that he is), and his attempts to stick a chopping board to a whiteboard really made us laugh this week. Otherwise it's all a bit meh so far. I love Nick's vampire costume, though.

Jamali was a terrible contestant, I remember, but that must have been a stressful season to be on. Total social distancing, whole country on edge, etc. But yeah, it's not a show to try to maintain your cool persona on. If being in control is your thing, you should not answer the call.

trishyb, Saturday, 6 April 2024 09:27 (two weeks ago) link

i just find it odd that Steve P isn't sat in the traditional old man seat.

They sit in alphabetical order of first names, always have. They must have forgotten to get younger people with names later in the alphabet.

ailsa, Saturday, 6 April 2024 09:32 (two weeks ago) link

Joanne would probably be a laugh to hang out with, but hardly a comic genius.

chap, Saturday, 6 April 2024 09:43 (two weeks ago) link

> They sit in alphabetical order of first names, always have.

mind blown.

i kinda wish they'd have some of the Dave-era people back onto the bigger budget show

koogs, Saturday, 6 April 2024 10:15 (two weeks ago) link

5, 7 and 9 are the best series imo. Don't think 8 was that bad either.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 6 April 2024 11:32 (two weeks ago) link

I’ve seen Sam Campbell live and his energy is off the charts nuts

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 13 April 2024 01:50 (one week ago) link

This is amazing
https://bsky.app/profile/blueno.se/post/3kqgtq5hlir2f

Big Bong Theory (stevie), Friday, 19 April 2024 09:08 (six days ago) link

I watched this last night and noticed we were getting a lot of low angled shots showing the puddles but didn't twig that they'd edited out Nick Mohammed's reflection. I wonder if there's much more of that kind of thing they've included that hasn't been picked up on yet? (I know about them having the contestants sit in alphabetical order each series)

soref, Friday, 19 April 2024 09:35 (six days ago) link

Ooh, I didn't notice about the puddle reflections, that's a nice trick. I'm sure there are loads of wee Easter eggs in the linking shots. It took me about three series to work out that Alex was holding up the number of fingers of the episode part in the inserts cutting to and from ads.

ailsa, Friday, 19 April 2024 10:44 (six days ago) link

It was also kind of mindblowing for reasons I couldn't quite fathom that the age-split of teams has Nick on the old person team. So I looked them all up and it's because there's ten years between the four younger ones then another ten years up to Steve.

Sophie youngest by four years, Jon and Joanne about the same age, then Nick about five years older than them but still ten years younger than Steve.

ailsa, Friday, 19 April 2024 10:49 (six days ago) link

do they always split the teams by age? I always assumed it was mostly about scheduling and who was available to film stuff at the same time.

soref, Friday, 19 April 2024 10:54 (six days ago) link

I don't think it's always by age but they like to have the teams contrast imo, age is one way to do that.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 19 April 2024 10:57 (six days ago) link

It seems quite age-based most of the time (basing entirely on Brand and Baddiel here, tbf) I haven't really looked it up.

ailsa, Friday, 19 April 2024 11:05 (six days ago) link

Alan Davies and VCM an obvious age-split one as well

ailsa, Friday, 19 April 2024 11:06 (six days ago) link

Season 7 for example it was gender based, Jessica Knappett is the same age as Acaster and Phil Wang but got paired with Kerry Godliman.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 19 April 2024 11:07 (six days ago) link

The pairings aren't always age-based: Frankie Boyle and Ivo Graham developed a weird father-son relationship in the Series 15 group tasks, for example.

Wry & Slobby (Portsmouth Bubblejet), Friday, 19 April 2024 11:55 (six days ago) link

I would have guessed Sophie was second oldest by a few years. She's had a hard paper round and is being played in the 'slightly crazy/menopausal woman' personality slot on the panel.

Overtoun House windows (aldo), Friday, 19 April 2024 12:26 (six days ago) link

I was surprised as well but yeah she was born in '87!

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 19 April 2024 12:28 (six days ago) link

I honestly don't know how old I thought Sophie was, but I'd absolutely have gone "older than Joanne" every day of the week.

ailsa, Friday, 19 April 2024 12:51 (six days ago) link

aw I thought *every* reflection of nick had been removed but it's only the ones in that task.

ledge, Friday, 19 April 2024 20:23 (six days ago) link

Yeah I would've swapped Sophie and Joanne's real ages! (36 & 40 respectively)

chap, Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:26 (five days ago) link

Sophie has definite eccentric aunt vibes

chap, Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:27 (five days ago) link


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