Billy Corgan

wow, waht a dick

http://origin.avclub.com/chicago/articles/billy-corgan-gets-in-a-nasty-internet-fight-with-a,60967/

ah crap i didnt see that somebody bumped a smashing pumpkins thread about this already

S'ok. But yeah, Corgan is an utter asshole, proven more and more every day.

Tempted to start a taking sides thread, T/S Billy Corgan vs. Morrissey: which is pissing away goodwill with his own fans faster?

yeah the funny thing is i have known a lot of people that have dealt with devi over the years, and she is kind of notoriously honest and nice for the boutique pedal world - so this is particularly offensive imo.

A couple of days and a harrowing plane flight later, the band makes it to a resort town called Surfer’s Paradise, which is more or less the Miami Beach of Australia, a skinny coastal town about an hour south of Brisbane, pounded by waves and plagued with jellyfish, crowded with high-rise hotels popular with Japanese honeymooners. Surfer’s Paradise is the jumping-off point for the Big Day Out tour, a sort of Australian Lollapalooza that Soundgarden will headline this year. In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita. Corgan chatters about the pain of his life, the supposed incompetence of his band (everybody rolls their eyes), the lifesaving virtues of Jungian therapy, bands that suck. Cornell gets up to leave. Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden’s “Outshined” that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

“I’m thinking of making my next album really new wave,” Corgan says, “like ’83-’84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I’m going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen.”

This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn’t buying. He’s sore.

“Don’t you see,” Thayil says, “you’re this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don’t need all this…stuff.”

“What sign are you?” Corgan asks.

“What do you mean, what sign am I?” Thayil says. “What difference could that possibly make?”

“C’mon,” wheedles Corgan, “when is your birthday?”

“All right, goddamn it: September 4th.”

“Aha!” Corgan says. “A Virgo. You’re argumentative.”

“Damn right, I’m argumentative,” Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, “which you should know because I’ve been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign.”

“I’m a Pisces,” Corgan replies. “We pick up on those things.”

A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil’s heart: “I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back.”

Thayil explodes: “What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?”

“But I hate it,” Corgan says, “it means they don’t think I’m the cute one.”

“Ooh,” Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, “I’ll bet he’s going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him.”

The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders’ dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

“You hurt me deeply,” Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. “You hurt me deeply in my heart.” The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief.

wait i thought slash fic was supposed to end with corgan and thayil boning

Billy is fucked up and wrong here, obviously, but I could only make it about 3 minutes into Ever's response video. Sorry, that person is insufferable.

the smashing pumpkins
http://c438342.r42.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/the-smashing-pumpkins-2011.jpg

I'm guessing she plays bass then

That's actually Billy Corgan, post-op. They founds some girl who looks just like old Corgan to play bass.

looooool @ that picture

first iteration Pumpkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zwan record >>>> Zeitgeist >> Corgan solo record >>>>>>>>> everything since

I liked his solo album better than Zwan!

the worst thing about Corgan getting some 19-year-old kid to replace Chamberlain is that he's not even some phenomenal prodigy or anything, the show i saw last year the drumming was kinda lame

i really like "G.L.O.W." and "That's the Way (My Love Is)" and a couple of Zwan songs, could probably put together a mix of awesome songs Corgan has done since the first SP breakup but i'd have to slog through a lot of shit to get there

is "G.L.O.W." a paean to gorgeous ladies of wrestling?

Unfortunately no.

a lot of places reported that it was (which would make sense given Corgan's wrestling fandom) but i haven't seen it confirmed w/ any official quotes or analyzed the lyrics or anything to be sure

it's kind of cool that john cusack is in the band now

young cusack too, fresh out of his hot tub time machine

Vaguely inevitable

http://i53.tinypic.com/30il5z4.jpg

:O

the day Moses received the download on Mt. Sinai!

All I'm interested in at this point are the reissues, once those are out, I'm severing all ties with this assclown.

waitaminit - Fancy Space People played with Smashing Pumpkins?!

yes

two things really bummed me out when clicking around on related links:

1. D'Arcy's mugshot
2. "Watch Shia LeBoeuff's Marilyn Manson music video"

All I'm interested in at this point are the reissues, once those are out, I'm severing all ties with this assclown.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, October 14, 2011 12:38 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

serious question -- what would reissues have to offer? the old records already sound pretty good, don't need remastering, and there's so many dozens of b-sides and non-LP tracks readily available that i don't imagine there'd be much new to bring to light for bonus material.

although fwiw i posted that without realizing that reissues actually have been announced and saw an interview w/ corgan where he talks about how much unreleased stuff there is for the gish reissue in particular so nevermind i guess

Very fair question. I agree that the originals sound good, for the most part, but I feel like Gish could use some sprucing up. As far as new stuff goes, it looks like there are quite a few things that I've never heard before (at least if the bonus disc stuff listed on wiki for the first two albums right now is accurate). And, even though I have stuff like the Real Studio demos and stuff, it'll be nice to hear those cleaned up.

1.

"Starla (2011 mix)"

2.

"Siva (Peel Session)"

3.

"Honeyspider (Real Time Demos/2011 mix)"

4.

"Hippy Trippy (Crush Music Box demo)"

5.

"Snail (live radio performance)"

6.

"Plume (2011 mix)"

7.

"Bury Me (Real Time Demos/2011 mix)"

8.

"Daydream (Old House demo)"

9.

"Tristessa (Sub Pop single/2011 mix)"

10.

"Girl Named Sandoz (Peel Session)"

11.

"Jesus is the Sun (Apartment demo)"

12.

"Blue (Gish sessions demo)"

13.

"Smiley (Gish sessions demo)"

14.

"I Am One (Real Time Demos/2011 mix)"

15.

"Seem (Suffer/Aparment demo)"

16.

"La Dolly Vita (2011 mix)"

17.

"Pulsczar (Gish sessions demo)"

18.

"Drown (alternative guitar solo)"

Those are the Gish extras, sorry for the fucked formatting. Thats what I get for c+p from wiki.

would literally prefer eating a plate of human shit to having to listen to this even once

our intrepid time traveler storms in once again, fresh from a decades-old culture war nobody else cares about

Isn't that pretty much the same kind of posts that aero gets all aggro about when someone makes them in the direction of something he likes?

Its also funny that he barged in on a revive that started out about a stupid wrestling league to let us know that, yes, he still hates Billy Corgan.

our intrepid time traveler storms in once again, fresh from a decades-old culture war nobody else cares about

Ahab close behind, clinging to his pet thesis that has no grounding in anything

I'm in favor of the wrestling league tho

i just think it's funny when you have all this venom for random old bands that stopped being 'divisive' ages ago and are now just remembered by their fans and practically forgotten by anybody else. even malkmus has probably moved on by now, dude!

I have to laugh when aero pops up with a post like this because it goes against all the times when he chides other ilxors for getting all aggro and not being chill about stuff.

no jon /via/ you're right I am wrong it's just useless reflexive "gah h8 them" shit from me - I just saw ned's facebook on this & then this & I was like "man of all the bands that smart people like this one is just so weird to me" - like, I don't care about new order after the first track on Republic but when they lasso'd Corgan for Get Ready I was like...really? kinda like the Stones letting Billie Joe play on their record to me, very much a "who sucks compared to everybody else here" deal

the thing about the "divisive" thing some dude is I learned about Malkmus's animus toward these guys from ilx poster some dude, on this board, within the last year. I don't know anything about any beef anybody had with him - your "decades-old culture war" is actually a single-person "I don't like this band" thing. I'm not fighting "culture wars," that idea is kind of a hobby-horse of yours. I just think this band is kinda uniquely shitful is all

I like some of this band's stuff (a fairly narrow swathe of it tbh) but otherwise totally feel aero's animosity. altho with me it's more of a "spurned fan" anger cuz I did really like Gish a lot in 1991 or whatever.

haha trust me, as one of those smart (I hope!) Pumpkins fans of the olden days, I'm very used to people expressing their outrage, but it seemed out of character for you

(xpost)

bonus tracklisting looks kinda weak

there's just so much 88-91 stuff. had to stop somewhere i guess

Corgan should just write some more.

there's just so much 88-91 stuff. had to stop somewhere i guess

Well thats because thats just for the Gish one. The Siamese Dream one picks up after that.

it is out of character for sure it's just like, some things I vibe kinda alex in nyc about getting my hate on. but some dude's weird "the camp you were in then" schtick is like...I think dude has a very projected idea about what I was listening to in the 90s

xp yeah, i meant to say "there's so much 88-91 stuff to choose from, some weird choices here, etc"

i am definitely hoping for more full-length "pistachio medley" cuts to surface, whether on a MCIS reissue or whatever

Billy's new solo album is called The Land of Maybe. Recording finished, only needs to be mixed & mastered.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14680700_10154271739673005_2497008279490373018_n.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/Swan5/photos/a.312898373004.150334.116888938004/10154271739673005/?type=3&theater

are you not entertained?

http://soundcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/billycorgan.jpg

Boy, these Corgan appearances on the Alex Jones show are, uh, something else. (Available for your viewing "pleasure" on YouTube.) I had a tough enough time defending my love for BC's music after I found out he was a run-of-the-mill prick; now I can see he's also a total wackjob hateful conspiracy crank.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/billy-corgan-defends-trump-blasts-fake-news-in-new-interview/

I hate to make the most obvious point: If you’ve got 10 billion dollars, you’re not hiring hookers.

??????

right, he never defends Trump in there, he's wrong about the hookers thing, it's the same tip he's been on for years: spiritual with a dash of conspiracy theory/new world order crank, disdain for the major media organs that made him a star and now no longer have any use for him. also he only ripped on anderson cooper because anderson cooper dedicated a 5-minute segment to mocking bill's cat magazine cover unprovoked. look, he was on mancow and mancow asked him if he understood why the pictures of him at disneyworld were funny. "no, i don't get it. we seem to live in a culture that thrives on misery..." and then wouldn't let it go for 10-15 minutes. it was great

"Allow me to explain Bitcoin."

"It's crashing."

"Well, someone will say what is lost can never be saved, sure, but."

Caged Rat, 2017 pic.twitter.com/vGseaAIjKv

— Bruce Tennant (@BruceTennant) December 22, 2017

Looking more and more like Walter Becker every day

I liked his comment about people hung up on the name change- "it's my real name, it's not like i named myself Quasar 47."