rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

it is quite telling that nobody's even had a go at the original question here

if you count up the ones you didn't get because you're too stupid my score'd be higher but I get how yr condition precludes the math

T/F frogbs, you have uttered the phrase "political correctness gone too far" more than once irl.

adopt a beginner's mind to the subject.

This is completely on the money by the way. I sort of feel for u on here frogbs, god knows why. You won't catch me clicking suggest ban for you. And you don't seem a troll or racist to me. But you seem to be crashing in the same car all the bloody time, and when people call you out on it, or even give you a context you don't see because you lack the knowledge about things like this, you become a querulant, highly defensive and foolishly stubborn.

you keep shifting what your question is itt for what it's worth.

no, it's always been "does the theoretical reversal of roles here explain why this was such a shitstorm"

briefly: historically white people asserted their authority/power over black people by caricaturing/ridiculing/controlling their image in popular culture using a variety of tools, one of which was blackface.

no dynamic wherein the respective roles of black and white people were reversed has ever existed

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your "original question" was a picture of brian austin green followed by this post:

just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

it is quite telling that nobody's even had a go at the original question here

no, it isn't. this is what racists say when they get called on their bullshit: "very interesting that nobody wants to address the question!" it's not interesting to anybody with a brain, though. (I'm glad you think commenters at sports blog count as the fucking intelligentsia though, that's pretty illuminating.) the actual question is "why do you think it's ok to swing in here with racist 'what if the roles were reversed?' garbage?"

http://www.puppetopia.com/giraffe/Info.htm#e

xxp as in, no question but the thread title, and the context on which I am guessing it caused shitstorm

guys, let's all take a step back and remember what's really important here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGYDVKNCd4

no, this is why you're getting hammered:

just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

every sports message board is racist.

pretty much?

no, it isn't. this is what racists say when they get called on their bullshit: "very interesting that nobody wants to address the question!" it's not interesting to anybody with a brain, though. (I'm glad you think commenters at sports blog count as the fucking intelligentsia though, that's pretty illuminating.) the actual question is "why do you think it's ok to swing in here with racist 'what if the roles were reversed?' garbage?"

i'm not saying they're intelligent, i'm saying cool it on all the low content race whining and make a fucking argument.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool shakey

do you not find that statement true, aero?

frogbs do you not see the kernel of "black people are the real racists" within that post?

frogbs i think you're misunderstanding why it was a shitstorm in the first place

There's nothing inherently wrong with whiteface or blackface but pretending like the last 500 years haven't happened is nagl, frogs. Do you not see that?

that's what i always think about you, froggie, you're the insists-on-rigorous-argumentation guy

no question but the thread title,

okay so your question is "is it racist for ESPN to publish a picture ow Michael Vick in whiteface"? My answer is eh kind of, insofar as (what I assume is) a bunch of non-black people treating a black man's skin color as a source of humor is pretty racist. I can't really fathom why anybody black would think putting Michael Vick in whiteface would be remotely entertaining/worthwhile/of interest to anybody, but hey I could be wrong I guess.

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http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/exploration/expl2000/papers/bell/examples/images/oed1bmod.gif

i'm not saying they're intelligent, i'm saying cool it on all the low content race whining and make a fucking argument.

there is no call for anybody to make an argument when you swing in with clueless racist crap - why would anybody bother? you get the sb clicks you crave, everybody else gets to tell you that your racism is a drag, it's win/win

also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EY4ZqQ4L18&feature=related

Guys guys we just aren't "deep" enough to get on his level, what with all of our "low content race whining" and whatnot.

frogbs do you not see the kernel of "black people are the real racists" within that post?

That's definitely not what I intended, but yeah now I'm starting to understand why you guys are getting so upset.

When I say "a lot of people would have a problem with it", I mean just that with no 'hidden subtext', I mean everyone regardless of race would find that pretty wrong.

to COURAGEOUSLY address your question: i don't people were clutching their pearls because omg what an offensive image. i think it was mostly "if you're gonna write an article about imagining mike vick as a white person then do what you do, but it's weird, unnecessary and a bit too on the nose to actually photoshop the guy as a white person. nobody needs that, because if we were so inclined we could imagine such a thing in our heads. it seems very trolly."

guys just fyi, those of you who're on the fence, stet recoded the board so clicking "sb" next to frogbs's login is just a way of acknowledging that you read his post - he gets a notification about it - his screen name is supposed to remind you to do it but I think some people are forgetting

low content race whining is the title of my memoir

do ppl really start sbing ppl the minute some shitstorm breaks out?

okay so your question is "is it racist for ESPN to publish a picture ow Michael Vick in whiteface"? My answer is eh kind of, insofar as (what I assume is) a bunch of non-black people treating a black man's skin color as a source of humor is pretty racist. I can't really fathom why anybody black would think putting Michael Vick in whiteface would be remotely entertaining/worthwhile/of interest to anybody, but hey I could be wrong I guess.

I dont think the point was anything to spark controversy, which obviously it has
The question I guess is why, and my guess would be the whole question of role reversal that inevitably shows up whenever you do something like this
Maybe I'm just wrong on this?

maybe. maybe you should take the hint from all the (admittedly unnecessary) ad hominems and walk away for now b/c this thread is obviously not going to be a substantive discussion in the way you want.

I only sb geir tbh

i don't people were clutching their pearls because omg what an offensive image. i think it was mostly "if you're gonna write an article about imagining mike vick as a white person then do what you do, but it's weird, unnecessary and a bit too on the nose to actually photoshop the guy as a white person. nobody needs that, because if we were so inclined we could imagine such a thing in our heads. it seems very trolly."

Yeah I don't want to suggest it's something that's actually offensive, just more a thing where everyone can agree it's kind of in bad taste. Like yeah I don't think anybody's getting all uppity about that and I certainly don't want to suggest that I was.

The question I guess is why,

I just told you why...? because it's non-black people using a black person's skin color as a source of humor/provocation. which is racist.

now, a white-person-in-blackface thing would be considerably MORE racist because of, as Michael White notes, the 500 years of history behind the practice

yeah there's no such thing as whiteface really; that's why brian austin green's face up there doesn't signify much at all

which means "role reversal" doesn't seem like a precise enough description of whatever it is you're trying to get at, frogbs

Michael White Vick

was that racist

which means "role reversal" doesn't seem like a precise enough description of whatever it is you're trying to get at, frogbs

well, my idea of it is that if there was no such thing as "blackface", this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal

I think it's the same reason why you wouldn't really see a word like honky or cracker printed in a derogatory sense in a magazine, it's not like any white people could be offended at them , it just opens up another can of worms that doesn't really sit well

in my vagina

you won't see honky or cracker printed in a derogatory sense in a magazine because those epithets have no weight for the same reason there's no such thing as whiteface.

THIS REMINDS ME OF WHEN FREDDIE GIBBS WAS BOASTING ABT BEING THE FIRST GANGSTA RAPPER SINCE NWA ON THE COVER OF LA WEEKLY, AND SPACEAGEHUSTLE WAS ALL LIKE FOOL U FORGOT ABT BRIAN AUSTIN GREENE

lol i am glad you're back

well, my idea of it is that if there was no such thing as "blackface", this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal

I think it's the same reason why you wouldn't really see a word like honky or cracker printed in a derogatory sense in a magazine, it's not like any white people could be offended at them , it just opens up another can of worms that doesn't really sit well

― frogbs, Friday, August 26, 2011 12:32 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

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i love that this shit is coming so fast that neither of the following either merited attention as standouts:

in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying? - somehow almost the actual antonym for 'crack open a book why don't you'

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Like yeah I don't think anybody's getting all uppity about that and I certainly don't want to suggest that I was.

which you know just let's take this in one word at a time and see if we hit any problems along the way

i can't tell if he says stuff like "uppity" on purpose or not!

Yes, I noticed that myself and cringed at its ineptitude.

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