rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

seriously frogbs you wanna save yourself some trouble? just take ~absolutely everybody~'s word for it that you don't know what you're talking about when the subject of race comes up. adopt a beginner's mind to the subject. assume that whatever you think, you're wrong, and cheerfully accept the group consensus about it.

or keep up your "racist? I'm just saying!" schtick and get banned again, it really doesn't matter, whatever floats your boat

they didn't take it down iirc

i meant all your "what if tom brady in blackface" "what if ichiro was dominican" eh? eh? deep thoughts

omg PP :-D

adopt a beginner's mind to the subject.

this is good advice for lots of things

they took it down then put it back up when everyone was like "uh, you can't just pretend that you put up an illustration of michael vick as a white person"

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In the course catalogue, there's a caveat after that copy: "While this class is open to anyone, it is particularly designed to help white people ... " or something like that. I mean, I just don't even know what to ...

hahaha xp

aero - explain in your own words then why the pic was taken down, why it's such a big deal, and why the author tried so hard to distance himself from it. it's not ~absolutely everybody~, it's a selective group of white people with a tendency to make clusterfucks out of non-issues. in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying?

i mean the thread title is "Is This Racist?" isn't it? shouldn't you be calling out every single poster in here if they're not sure?

The title of the class is WHITE PEOPLE CONFRONTING RACISM

Point missed completely. Well done.

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aero - explain in your own words then why the pic was taken down, why it's such a big deal, and why the author tried so hard to distance himself from it. it's not ~absolutely everybody~, it's a selective group of white people with a tendency to make clusterfucks out of non-issues. in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying?

lol you're hopeless. "look around the internet, maybe listen to some racists? there are places that don't ban people for racist garbage, go hear what those people have to say!"

http://blackfrogmusic.com/pics/sturgis.jpg

ahh. so it's everyone ELSE who has the problem. deadspin is racist. every sports message board is racist. ESPN is racist. the author of that article was a racist. i think this actually explains a lot of your posts.

changing the dude's skincolor was always gonna be controversial. race is quite the issue, frogbs. but your arguments here were terrible, and they routinely are, which is why ppl don't like them, and sometimes you.

Black face is offensive because it was used for several generations to depict ppl as inferior and also because minstrel shows were a smokescreen to appropriate and profit from cultural modes, such as dance and song, that were otherwise too scary.

The long and storied history of whiteface can basically consists of 'White Chicks' to my knowledge and anybody with the remaining privilege attached to being white in this country should probably not bother to be offended or pretend to be offended by that, though I wouldn't necessarily recommend actually paying money to see it.

I understand where you're coming from, frogs, but context is inescapable and pointless provocation is as annoying as pretending not to understand what the fuss is about, so motive is immaterial.

The shop is not great and the writer asked them not to title it 'What if Michael Vick were white?' A little controversy might sell a few more papers, though.

Ok - I seriously do know why black face is offensive and why white face is not. My question is, since that's the case, why the hell was such a big deal made out of the image? My guess was that it sort of begs the question, but yeah I guess not

I like how you disappeared everybody who's not white from this board too - priceless, classic frogbs

also that's not what "begs the question" means you incredibly stupid person

i think if you stopped being aggressive and confused about race and dialed it down to just confused, you'd run into less trouble here, frogbs

Ok - I seriously do know why black face is offensive and why white face is not

get one history book

dont you think for one second that i don't open the WDYLL threads

also that's not what "begs the question" means you incredibly stupid person

there you go, you finally scored one

My question is, since that's the case, why the hell was such a big deal made out of the image? My guess was that it sort of begs the question, but yeah I guess not

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:55 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark

you keep shifting what your question is itt for what it's worth. makes it seem like you don't really have a question/issue/argument, you're just trying to start shit/on a one-man mission to save ilx's soul from the forces of "political correctness" or whatever

it is quite telling that nobody's even had a go at the original question here

if you count up the ones you didn't get because you're too stupid my score'd be higher but I get how yr condition precludes the math

T/F frogbs, you have uttered the phrase "political correctness gone too far" more than once irl.

adopt a beginner's mind to the subject.

This is completely on the money by the way. I sort of feel for u on here frogbs, god knows why. You won't catch me clicking suggest ban for you. And you don't seem a troll or racist to me. But you seem to be crashing in the same car all the bloody time, and when people call you out on it, or even give you a context you don't see because you lack the knowledge about things like this, you become a querulant, highly defensive and foolishly stubborn.

you keep shifting what your question is itt for what it's worth.

no, it's always been "does the theoretical reversal of roles here explain why this was such a shitstorm"

briefly: historically white people asserted their authority/power over black people by caricaturing/ridiculing/controlling their image in popular culture using a variety of tools, one of which was blackface.

no dynamic wherein the respective roles of black and white people were reversed has ever existed

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your "original question" was a picture of brian austin green followed by this post:

just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

it is quite telling that nobody's even had a go at the original question here

no, it isn't. this is what racists say when they get called on their bullshit: "very interesting that nobody wants to address the question!" it's not interesting to anybody with a brain, though. (I'm glad you think commenters at sports blog count as the fucking intelligentsia though, that's pretty illuminating.) the actual question is "why do you think it's ok to swing in here with racist 'what if the roles were reversed?' garbage?"

http://www.puppetopia.com/giraffe/Info.htm#e

xxp as in, no question but the thread title, and the context on which I am guessing it caused shitstorm

guys, let's all take a step back and remember what's really important here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGYDVKNCd4

no, this is why you're getting hammered:

just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

every sports message board is racist.

pretty much?

no, it isn't. this is what racists say when they get called on their bullshit: "very interesting that nobody wants to address the question!" it's not interesting to anybody with a brain, though. (I'm glad you think commenters at sports blog count as the fucking intelligentsia though, that's pretty illuminating.) the actual question is "why do you think it's ok to swing in here with racist 'what if the roles were reversed?' garbage?"

i'm not saying they're intelligent, i'm saying cool it on all the low content race whining and make a fucking argument.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool shakey

do you not find that statement true, aero?

frogbs do you not see the kernel of "black people are the real racists" within that post?

frogbs i think you're misunderstanding why it was a shitstorm in the first place

There's nothing inherently wrong with whiteface or blackface but pretending like the last 500 years haven't happened is nagl, frogs. Do you not see that?

that's what i always think about you, froggie, you're the insists-on-rigorous-argumentation guy

no question but the thread title,

okay so your question is "is it racist for ESPN to publish a picture ow Michael Vick in whiteface"? My answer is eh kind of, insofar as (what I assume is) a bunch of non-black people treating a black man's skin color as a source of humor is pretty racist. I can't really fathom why anybody black would think putting Michael Vick in whiteface would be remotely entertaining/worthwhile/of interest to anybody, but hey I could be wrong I guess.

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http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/exploration/expl2000/papers/bell/examples/images/oed1bmod.gif

i'm not saying they're intelligent, i'm saying cool it on all the low content race whining and make a fucking argument.

there is no call for anybody to make an argument when you swing in with clueless racist crap - why would anybody bother? you get the sb clicks you crave, everybody else gets to tell you that your racism is a drag, it's win/win

also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EY4ZqQ4L18&feature=related

Guys guys we just aren't "deep" enough to get on his level, what with all of our "low content race whining" and whatnot.

frogbs do you not see the kernel of "black people are the real racists" within that post?

That's definitely not what I intended, but yeah now I'm starting to understand why you guys are getting so upset.

When I say "a lot of people would have a problem with it", I mean just that with no 'hidden subtext', I mean everyone regardless of race would find that pretty wrong.