Yeah, that's why "England to win the World Cup" always run way shorter than reality, because people like to bet on the good thing they want to happen.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 09:14 (twelve years ago) link
"Mug punters" know Tinie Tempah better than PJ Harvey, no? I think it's more to do with the bookies paying more attention to reviews than they used to. A few years ago they just went for the biggest indie bands so you could great odds on a critic's favourite like Antony and the Johnsons. Now they factor in critical buzz, and Let England Shake is the best reviewed album on the list, not the biggest name.
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 09:22 (twelve years ago) link
i'm mostly amazed that they never factored in reviews before. who did they think was on the panel? (have never bet on this.)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 09:39 (twelve years ago) link
It was a golden age, Lex. Now the odds are pretty much as they should be. If PJ hadn't won before then I think she'd be a shoo-in.
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 09:58 (twelve years ago) link
it's so...mercury music prize to have only rewarded her worst album
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 10:09 (twelve years ago) link
I feel kind of terrible in that I'm still waiting for PJ Harvey to click with me. I even saw her live this summer and it didn't move me at all. I realise this is kind of a challops on this board though, and I'm sure there'll come a day where she'll come on shuffle at the right time and I'll be all "Hey! This is f'kin great!!". Is it a lyrics thing maybe? I don't tend to pay much attention to lyrics until about the third or fourth time around (at least).
Who are the panel for the prize? Anyone know?
― Why'd You Wanna Tweet Me So Bad? (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 10:20 (twelve years ago) link
(The odds on PJ are ... not worth placing money on.)
― djh, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 11:09 (twelve years ago) link
Every time I hear her albums, I always enjoy her diversity and talent, etc.
Every time I see her live on TV, my mind goes "PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! "...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 11:39 (twelve years ago) link
Peej won.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
I've never been able to get into anything by PJ Harvey. Her stuff just sounds cold and dreary to me. I know it's supposed to be good, and I'm interest in the political side of it but she's just never taken me - even when I saw her live in the summer.
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
huh
have you considered that you might be a zombie
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah... I can't get into Elvis Costello either.
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
well that's understandable
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
It's that one song (by PJ) I used to hear on the Evening Session in the '90s that went "La La La La Please Please Pleeeeasse" - didn't like it. Didn't like the way her voice plead so much and I didn't like the repetitiveness of the guitars now the furrow-browed sincerity of it all. It's not as though I don't appreciate these factors in other acts, her stuff just makes me feel cold and uncomfortable. All the same I do want to get into it - just never heard anything by her that excites me.
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
now = nor
Is Tinie Tempah supposed to be pronounced like "Tiny Temper"?
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
yes
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
or "toy-nee temp-aw" if you're from sunny South London
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
Could never get into her either but I've liked stuff I've heard from her last album
― Euripides Trousers (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
... Peej that is
when I saw the name Tinie Tempah, I figured it would be another girl rapper like Lady Sov.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
Also, calling the album Disc-Overy (ovary?). Has the British public already had their fun with this?
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
2011 Mercury chat here:
The "ah, fuck it"" 2011 Mercury Music Prize shortlist POLL
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
dog latin, when was the last time you checked this out:
http://open.spotify.com/track/1f57D54zUH9ajzZ9N7rGE2
still rocks IMO
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
will give it a proper spin tonight when i get home DJP
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
Marcello, I think this is the earlier thread.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
lulz charlie no 4 really did screw up this year's mercury thread. thankfully it's not a thing to care about anyway, though obv i'm happy with the winner
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
i pronounce it "tiny tempura" btw and then i eat sushi
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
and given the britpop shite dog latin has copped to liking i'm quite glad PJH has been spared his taste
not sure King Creosote could be described as Britpop...
― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
Wow at this guyhttp://twitter.com/#!/MatthewCainC4
"PJ Harvey wins Mercury for obscure album no-one liked or bought - how predictable! What's wrong with music connecting with lots of people?"
― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
man is wrong. outrageous.
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
and given the britpop shite dog latin has copped to liking i'm quite glad PJH has been spared his taste― lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:34 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinknot sure King Creosote could be described as Britpop...― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:38 (21 minutes ago) Bookmark
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― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:38 (21 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, c'mon billy. what's king creosote got to do with britpop that pj harvey hasn't?
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://blogs.channel4.com/culture/awards-wind-people/1564
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
I can actually see the Lex quite liking King Creosote's stuff - there's the Jon Hopkins connection, a certain Waits-ian brooding, and it's extremely well played, sung and produced. Not Britpop at all.
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
You like it tho, so he won't
― Euripides Trousers (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
man is wrong. outrageous.― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:01 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:01 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark
Wouldn't care if he was any old Tweeter, but for someone who is the cultural correspondent for a supposedly serious news source to come up with this garbage is not good IMO.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
neil s otm
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
I must say I'm enjoying taking the excuse to go back through all of the old PJ Harvey albums today; I'd forgotten how great Is This Desire? is
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://sickmouthy.com/2011/09/07/why-i’m-pleased-let-england-shake-won-the-mercury-music-prize/
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
Sucks.
http://wp.me/pHEvR-ad
Sadly, DJP, Victory didn't do much for me either. I'll keep trying with LES but right now I think it's going to be a similar affair as Nick Cave - I should really like it, it has all the elements of stuff I usually love in music, but something's just not clicking. Oh well :-(
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
I can sympathise with dog latin here. Have been trying with it for some months, and while she's tackling those weighty themes in an interesting way, I'm just not liking the actual sonics of it very much at all.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
lol that Spotify link was supposed to be to the entire Dry album, not just that one song
although it does rock, it doesn't rock as much as "Sheela Na Gig" or "Joe"
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
PJ's last three albums haven't worked for me at all, which is frustrating because I think her first four are brilliant.
I think it's really important to be introduced to the right album of hers at the right time in your life. For me, it was Rid of Me. I've rarely been so blown away by an album in my life. I needed to hear that female anger, longing, and intensity that had been missing from my record collection.
― thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:42 (twelve years ago) link
While I haven't LOVED every album of hers immediately, I have found something worthwhile on every one. To Bring You My Love is still my favorite and the one I play the most, but I thought LES was brilliant from the get-go and, especially given the subject matter, a worthy winner.
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
I think that stating that her last few albums didn't do it for me at all was too strongly worded. I definitely still respect her as an artist - I just wish I could get into them like her earlier albums. Maybe more effort on my part is required.
― thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
I listened to all of her albums in chronological order yesterday (thx Spotify!), it was really interesting listening to the evolution of her sound
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's really important to be introduced to the right album of hers at the right time in your life. For me, it was Rid of Me. I've rarely been so blown away by an album in my life. I needed to hear that female anger, longing, and intensity that had been missing from my record collection.― thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:42 (1 hour ago) Bookmark
― thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:42 (1 hour ago) Bookmark
I doubt this somehow, but might the fact I grew up around an awful lot of female angst be a barrier in my appreciation of PJ Harvey?
― It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't mean that Rid of Me is the right place for everyone to start. I meant that different albums might be the "ideal" place for a person to get drawn in, and it's great if you're lucky enough to start with that album.
― thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link