Thank you skip/iatee!
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Saturday, 20 August 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
had no idea these were ever issued on CD as single albums tbh. those twofers came out when I was working my first post-high school job at a record store and were some of the first "freebies" I remember angling for.
I bought them used in the late '90s so they were probably '80s versions sold off by someone who had upgraded to the reissues. They look like the typical '80s CDs with no liner notes and just a single page insert. And since I didn't like them I never dug any further after that.
I always liked Transcendental Meditation though. I don't really get the hate for that one.
― the wheelie king (wk), Saturday, 20 August 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
1. All I Wanna Do2. 'Til I Die (7:32 version I linked to in the voting thread)3. I Was Made to Love Her4. When I Grow Up (To Be A Man)5. God Only Knows6. Let The Wind Blow7. You're Still A Mystery8. Feel Flows9. Celebrate The News10. Country Air11. The Man With All The Toys12. Hang On To Your Ego13. Good Vibrations14. She's Goin' Bald15. Here Comes The Night16. Gettin' Hungry17. Trader18. Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring19. Lookin' At Tomorrow20. Lady
Only 11 of my picks placed. People rediscovering The Beach Boys should get the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey twofer with the bonus tracks
― stop listening to the lyrics so much. you're ruining music (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
I always liked Transcendental Meditation though. I don't really get the hate for that one
yeah, that track is boss imo
― dell (del), Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
in fact i voted for it
― dell (del), Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
I had no problem w/ its existence in the world, but I think it's a crappy ending for 'friends'
― iatee, Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
Except for their big hits I'm unfamiliar with the Beach Boys, and while I still think those happy sunny surf songs are pretty annoying, I'm so happy that I discovered Till I Die thanks to this thread. What a gorgeous song! Thank you guys.
― ArchCarrier, Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
I think I'm happiest about people discovering new stuff
― iatee, Saturday, 20 August 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
so many dope live videos on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJT5TyMEwI
wow great clip - who's playing bass there...?
― that mellow wash of meh (Shakey Mo Collier), Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EPXBQV3yM
― dell (del), Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't vote or contribute but have listened to at least 10-15 tracks or versions for the first time ever or in years thanks to this poll, so thanks!
― boxall, Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link
omg is that brian on the left?
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
ha, yes
― dell (del), Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
no idea who's playing bass but that concert has 3 more clips on youtube shakes. I think it's pretty much the whole concert.
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
omg on Brian in that clip
― skip, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
What are they doing singing California Girls as the third song in the set? Must have seemed awful square in 1969
― skip, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
they were in france
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
I just noticed that. That stuff was not released in continental Europe until the late 60s right?
― skip, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
they also play break away, do it again and ... the nearest far away place
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
I have no idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grj7sjQ0_p4
― skip, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
the 60s really were such a weird decade
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:50 (twelve years ago) link
ready to throw my baggies into my woody after that clip
― brownie, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
those pants are something else.
― skip, Sunday, 21 August 2011 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chf=bg,s,548000&chxl=0:|1962|1963|1964|1965|1966|1967|1968|1969|1970|1971&chxs=0,F7F7F7,14.5,1,lt,FFFFFF&chxt=x&chs=560x280&cht=lxy&chco=FFCC33&chds=15,100,0,4736&chd=t:-1|123,668,1800,1405,4736,369,630,411,778,224&chdlp=b&chls=6&chma=5,5,0,25&chtt=ILM
― the wheelie king (wk), Sunday, 21 August 2011 08:05 (twelve years ago) link
nope, no drop off in quality there at all
lol when you have "experts" like crut voting surprised the peak wasn't 1964
― buzza, Sunday, 21 August 2011 08:54 (twelve years ago) link
Obviously 1965 was their peak!
Got the most votes from me, edging out 1966. '64 placed third....
(points out that numbers skewed by only one album & one single released that year vs. 3 albums each in '64 and '65)
― Lee547 (Lee626), Sunday, 21 August 2011 09:27 (twelve years ago) link
Kinda surprised Sandy/Sherry/She Says That She Need Me didn't get any votes. I strongly considered it. Like "Good Timin'", probably another case of the ultimately released version being less interesting than the earlier mock-ups heard only on bootlegs.
― Lee547 (Lee626), Sunday, 21 August 2011 09:32 (twelve years ago) link
I prob woulda voted for it if I thought someone else would
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
only looking at the top 40 is misleading. lol yeah pet sounds got a lot of votes. but here's the vote breakdown by album:
album votesPet Sounds 119Surf's Up 63Smiley Smile 60Summer Days 4620/20 44Sunflower 39All Summer Long 38Shut Down V2 37Wild Honey 37Other 34Today! 34Friends 33Surfer Girl 33Single / B-side 19Holland 13Surfin' USA 11Love You 10Party! 8Surfin' Safari 8Holland 5Little Deuce Coupe 5Smile 5Carl and the Passions 2LA 215 Big Ones 1Christmas Album 1Keepin' the Summer Alive 1MIU 1Still Cruisin' 1
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
post-pet sounds votes: 317pre-pet sounds votes: 221other (pet sounds + other): 172
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
same thing done by points:
other 4089post 7054pre 4964
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
the pre/post splits are mindboggling to me
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Sunday, 21 August 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
wait I fucked up the holland combine the 13+5
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
I was counting by points and I was counting by when songs were first written or recorded, not released. So Surf's Up counts as '66, not '71. At least for the purposes of the debate over whether or not the Beach Boys songwriting took a decline. I only did the top 40 because after 40 songs I got tired of looking up the year for each one.
― the wheelie king (wk), Sunday, 21 August 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
I mean it seems pretty unambiguously clear to me that Brian was at the peak of his powers around 1966 and then hit a major slump and never recovered. It's not just "lol people like Pet Sounds" but that basically every song from later albums that was highly ranked was something left over from the Smile era sessions or a song like Do It Again that he had written years earlier.
― the wheelie king (wk), Sunday, 21 August 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
well, he lost his marbles pretty much for good around that time, which made it difficult to create comparably 'complete' works. if you look at the post-pet sound albums, relatively few songs fit the description 'new, complete brian wilson work' and the ones that do tend to have gotten votes in this poll.
late beach boys material is interesting because a. he lost his capability to deal w/ the world but not his musical talents b. the rest of the band, esp dennis were talented in their own right, and started to contribute substantially. the albums are chaotic, messy but still have brian wilson's touches. there's just more material to sift through.
I'm not gonna argue that 'had to phone ya' is a better song than 'california girls', but there're a lot of strange things to find in it.
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
basically if you weighed the results by *quantity* - brian's quantity of released output pre-pet sounds to the votes it got prob isn't substantially higher than post-pet sounds. you're approaching this from the POV that he ran out of ideas / lost his touch instead of, ya know, went crazy. while remaining uniquely talented. that's why I've always been so obsessed w/ rare stuff - his ear for melody never left him, just his capacity to 'finish' substantial, radio-friendly works.
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
could this song (given better production) be playing on classic rock radio station right now? absolutely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNLiHVQsU0
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
could this song (given better production) be playing on classic rock radio station right now? absolutely
I'm not sure I buy the theory that everything post '66 that we liked/voted for was written pre '66. "'Til I Die" is 1971, and that's top 5. "Sail on Sailor" is 69 or 70 IIRC, as is "This Whole World" (which I didn't vote for but which is awesome). "Break Away," "Busy Doin' Nothing"...the list goes on. The Smile stuff aside, this isn't Rick Nielson who had some bag of songs he reached into (and was "Do It Again" really an older cut? I hadn't read that anywhere).
I'd say the well dried up closer to 1974-75.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
After six weeks of very little or no work done in the studio (as the band was busy touring), the band got back to work on May 26, 1968, when they first began working on "Do It Again" at Brian's home studio in Bel Air, California. The session, produced by Brian and Carl, first listed the song as being called "Rendezvous". After Brian had run the band through a demonstration of the song, the band began recording the track using guitar, organ, bass and drums, with Mike singing his vocal during the initial takes of the track. At first Mike sings the lyric "and surf again", however this is later amended to "and do it again". After the band recorded the basic track, they overdubbed backing vocals as well as adding a guitar and organ insert and a new guitar solo. Further vocal work by Brian, Carl, Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Bruce Johnston and Al Jardine was done on the track on June 6 again at Brian's home studio.Further overdubs to the instrumental track were made at Brian's home studio on June 10. John Guerin playing drums, tambourine and wood blocks on the overdubs, Ernie Small provided saxophone overdubs and John E. Lowe provided woodwind overdubs.Reportedly[citation needed], during the mixdown Stephen Desper, the engineer on the album came up with the drum effect heard at the beginning of the track. Many believe that this sound added to the commercial success of the single. Desper explained that he had:"commissioned Philips, in Holland, to build two tape delay units for use on the road (to double live vocals). [he][who?] moved four of the Philips PB heads very close together so that one drum strike was repeated four times about 10 milliseconds apart, and blended it with the original to give the effect you hear."On the fade of the song there are some hammering sounds which originated from the Smile workshop session.
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
last line is interesting!
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
Noted it upthread!
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
love you is 77 and it's not even controversial at this point to say that there's some great stuff on that album
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
I absolutely adore Love You -- but more as a piece than as an example of top notch Brian songwriting.
Also, I'm not saying Brian didn't have his own bag or that he didn't pull from it occasionally -- just that he kept adding stuff to it until the drugs (and then Landy) took over.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/user/BehindTheSounds#p/u/8/ofByti7A4uM
more youtube stuff - this series using pet sounds sessions is pretty watchable
― iatee, Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure I buy the theory that everything post '66 that we liked/voted for was written pre '66.
I never said it was everything. I made a graph ffs! Showing exactly how the points were distributed by year.
― the wheelie king (wk), Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
I may have misread the chart then -- I thought it was the year songs came out. My bad if so.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link