Joy Division: Classic Or Dud?

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yesterday I turned on the radio and there was some post-punk rock stuff and I got all Man Yells At Clouds in my mind about "fuckin young kids from Brooklyn starting bands, is that all you know how to do is bite Joy Division" and then the singer came in and he was like "Iiiiiii'm living in the ice age" and I was like "oh ahem lol"

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha

I dream of vodka sandwich (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

the one by his widow is decent, markers. though you will finish it and think she's boring and he was a cunt.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

I want to listen to that radio station.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

WXYC Chapel Hill - probably has an internet stream & is frankly awesome every day

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

"the one by his widow is decent, markers. though you will finish it and think she's boring and he was a cunt."
it gives a different perspective that's true but it does not shed a lot of light on the music. i don't even remember if she liked it.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 18 August 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

Mickey, Mickey will tear us apart. Again.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/316843_2193118826704_1209155925_31961468_2136553259_n.jpg

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

"Radiodisney/Goofy transmission"

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 5 November 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

Epcot City Exhibition

da croupier, Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

Ice Age

ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

http://blog.silive.com/sinotebook/2009/09/large_BARA1.jpg

When figures from the past stand tall
And mocking voices ring the hall
Imperialistic house of prayer
Conquistadors who took their share

da croupier, Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

THEY KEEP CALLING ME
THEY KEEP CALLING ME
M-O-U-S-E
KEEP ON CALLING ME

da croupier, Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ omfg

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

looool

latebloomer, Sunday, 6 November 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link

fucking horrifying

answering_machine, Sunday, 6 November 2011 09:38 (twelve years ago) link

Also remarkable is that Hook and Sumner first started playing music in 1976 and by 1979 had released Unknown Pleasures.

John Lennon, Sunday, 6 November 2011 12:09 (twelve years ago) link

I would totally rock that shirt. also, thanks for bumping this thread and reminding me that I need to put Closer in my car.

also also:

WXYC Chapel Hill - probably has an internet stream & is frankly awesome every day

fixed / <3 <3 <3

bernard snowy, Sunday, 6 November 2011 14:55 (twelve years ago) link

PS I'm sure this has been brought up before but: how do y'all say Closer in yr heads/is there an established 'correct' reading?

bernard snowy, Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

you know it man xp

it's "closer" in the sense of "nearer to," with the sibilant s, though I'm guessing this is something people have internet arguments about now, which is a good argument in favor of the pre-internet age

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link

Joy Division - Closer

ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

I thought it was "clo-say"

da croupier, Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

RICK ROSS'S FORTHCOMING NEW ALBUM... CLO-SAY FEAT. 50 TYSON

ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

Clearly it's both at the same time, suggesting convergence at the end. That's how puns work, no?

― Michael Train, Monday, March 22, 2010 1:00 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

^^^ this, to me. but I still always pronounced "clozer", I guess b/c it came to me thoroughly prepackaged as "Joy Division's final album"?

bernard snowy, Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

http://pitchfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/content/7505002523769-1.jpeg

Z S, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

http://shirtsofsatan.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/ola_arabic.jpg

cock chirea, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

I saw the Mickey Joy Division shirt in the gift shop of the Aerosmith rollercoaster in November. I didn't realize it was Mickey, though, until I looked at my photos later!

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 05:46 (twelve years ago) link

Aerosmith rollercoaster

i keep getting stuck on these two words...is there an Aerosmith-themed ride at Disney World? Whoa!!

SELF DEPORTATION (Z S), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 05:48 (twelve years ago) link

the aerosmith ride at disney is fucking awesome tbh http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

dave cool, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 05:49 (twelve years ago) link

you said it, Dave!

lost ai weiwei (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Hahahahaha! Oh dear. I mean, I find this funny but I can see why some may not find it a laughing matter!

Turrican, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

Oh it's hilarious, trust me. It is also goddamn nuts.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

Bit of an understatement there, Ned ;)

I don't think I've listened to Still in its entirety for years... it's easily been well over a decade now.

Turrican, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

Via Facebook, a comment on the New Order forums:

"They should re-enact the events of May 1980 on stage, if they are doing it chronologically."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

haha you know what I just realized, is the only Joy Division album I've heard front to back is Substance

how the hell did that happen

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

xpost:

Ouch!!

Turrican, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

did someone see one of the "unknown pleasures" concerts? i can't help but i am pretty disgusted by this kind of cashing-in on the legacy of one of the greatest bands. does peter hook really need the money?

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

is he really going to do all the live tracks as well... Sister Ray?? oh god.....

Talcum Mucker, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

maybe he can finally get round to doing that version of Louie Louie

zappi, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

maybe he can finally get round to doing that version of Louie Louie

― zappi, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hahahahahaha!!!

Turrican, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

So it seems like some extracts from Peter Hook's Joy Division book have been published in the NME, including a hilarious anecdote about Ian pissing in an ashtray in a hotel room in Brussels (and getting caught and shouted at in French by a caretaker). There's also another anecdote about Rob Gretton, Peter Hook, Steve Morris and several others bursting into a hotel room to find Ian and Bernard in seperate beds with a naked girl for company each, and reacting to this by throwing lit fireworks around the room. Bernard was pissed off, Ian allegedly found it hilarious, and the two naked girls were terrified. "Hardly the erotic feast they might have been hoping for", I quote.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 16 September 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

don't know where else to post this, but this is peter hook in NYT magazine today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/magazine/we-were-joy-division.html

It all started with the Sex Pistols. I saw them twice in 1976 — two gigs weeks apart at the Lesser Free Trade Hall in Manchester — Bernard Sumner (our guitarist) and I went together with a couple of friends to the first gig, and at the second gig I bumped into Ian Curtis, who would become our lead singer. They were only on for half an hour, but when they finished, we filed out quietly with our minds blown, absolutely utterly speechless, and it just sort of dawned on me then — that was it. On the way home that night we decided to form a band — Joy Division. The name was Ian’s idea.

By 1979, we hadn’t yet even made an album, but because we were being so productive, talk turned to making one. To be perfectly frank, we weren’t that fussy about whom we made it with. But in the meantime Martin Rushent invited us down to the studio to record some demos, just to see if we were going to jell. He’d produced the Buzzcocks and the Stranglers by this point, so we were very excited by the prospect.

When we got there, we saw that Rushent had a brand-new Jaguar XJS — and as it happened I’d been reading this article about how something like 9 out of 10 Jag owners don’t lock the boot of their car. So I thought, I wonder if that’s true. . . . Tried his boot and, lo and behold, it was unlocked. Inside, it was full of what I’m sure were stolen car radios; you could tell they were stolen by the way the wires were dangling off from where they’d been ripped out. Me and Terry, our roadie, were looking at each other, thinking, Martin’s got a boot full of stolen car radios. And then, Wonder if he’d miss a couple. . . .

All day, whenever there was a break in the recording, we’d be daring one another to go back in his boot and nick one each for our cars — because they were proper high-end stereos — but I was going: “Oh, no, we can’t, because he might be our record company. We can’t nick cassette players off our record company.” We didn’t take any. God knows what he was doing with them, though. We never asked him.

It was a really nice studio, and he worked well with Ian on the vocals, did a few overdubs and stuff, nothing wild, very low key. The tracks were “Glass,” “Transmission,” “Ice Age,” “Insight” and “Digital.” Rushent was a nice guy; we got on well.

That was the thing about Joy Division, though: writing the songs was dead easy because the group was really balanced. We had a great guitarist, a great drummer, a great bass player and a great singer. Ian would listen to us jamming and then direct the song until it was . . . a song. He stood there like a conductor and picked out the best bits. Which was why, when he killed himself a year later, it made everything so difficult. It was like driving a great car that had only three wheels. The loss of Ian opened up a hole in us, and we had to learn to write in a different way. We were so tight, as a group, we didn’t even use a tape recorder half the time. Didn’t need one.

Back then we didn’t know rules or theory. We had our ear, Ian, who listened and picked out the melodies. Then at some point his lyrics would appear. He always had these scraps of paper that he’d written things down on, and he’d go through his plastic bag. “Oh, I’ve got something that might suit that.” And the next thing you knew he’d be standing there with a piece of paper in one hand, wrapped around the microphone stand, with his head down, making the melodies work. We’d never hear what he was singing about in rehearsal because the equipment was so terrible. In his case it didn’t matter because he delivered the vocal with such a huge amount of passion and aggression, as if he really meant it.

I recently got offered the tape of that session with Rushent. Eden Studios was taken over by a firm of solicitors, and left in a storeroom, hidden in the bowels of it, were the Joy Division masters. One of the staff members claimed to have them and offered me the tape through a third party. He wanted £50,000 for it. This was in 2006 or something. Even then there was no way on earth you could make a record and hope to recoup 50 grand. I offered him a finder’s fee, two grand, but he said no, and I’ve never heard from him since; it’s never appeared. Ah, well. It’s a funny thing, people trying to sell you back bits of your own past. But I’m getting used to it, to be honest.

Peter Hook is a co-founder of the bands Joy Division and New Order. This essay is adapted from his memoir, “Unknown Pleasures,” published this month by HarperCollins.

Z S, Saturday, 26 January 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

That was the thing about Joy Division, though: writing the songs was dead easy because the group was really balanced. We had a great guitarist, a great drummer, a great bass player and a great singer.

hahahaha. yep, if you had to be specific about what made the group balanced, it really comes down to how great each member was.

Z S, Saturday, 26 January 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

reads better than:

On the way home that night we decided to form a band — Warsaw. Stiff Kittens or something.

dan selzer, Saturday, 26 January 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

sounds like Hooky begging for his former job back.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 January 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

I know he is a figure of fun here these days but I'm about a third of the way through Hooky's JD memoir and am really enjoying it. What am I missing?

Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 March 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

I finally get it!
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:18 PM (8 years ago)

j., Friday, 29 March 2013 02:06 (eleven years ago) link

Looking at it now, I guess my question reads along the lines of something like " if the Velvet Underground are so popular, why are there so many threads making fun of Lou Reed?"

Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 March 2013 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

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