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So you think Rocket comes back to MLB if he is somehow ignominiously defeated by Mexico?

Larry speaks:

"The tiebreaker is bogus. I don't agree with that," [Chipper] said. "I would change that . . . Knock it down to two flights. Do like a double-elimination thing. Have the winners of the two flights play in San Diego."

In all, however, Jones has greatly enjoyed his WBC experience and would recommend it to those who opted not to participate. He most of all liked being the teammate of Roger Clemens, whom he described as "more like Jesus than I thought."

"He's got worldwide respect," Jones said of Clemens. "He's like EF Hutton. When he speaks, people listen."


http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spusa164664148mar16,0,7465388.story?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"more like Jesus than I thought"!!! :o :o :o
http://tspweb02.tsp.utexas.edu/webarchive/10-24-00/Images/10-24clemens.colorsub.jpg

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that is Chipper's very awkward way of saying Clemens isn't the asshole he'd always imagined him to be.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

That's very akward!
Lets just compaire:That's very awkward indeed!
Lets just compare:
http://www.sportsbettingindex.net/images/sports_01/RogerClemens.jpg http://www.sofc.org/HOMEPAGE/jesushead.gif

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"He's got worldwide respect," Jones said of Clemens. "He's like EF Hutton. When he speaks, people listen."

This quote is even weirder.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Not if yer old enough to remember the EF Hutton TV ads (circa...'78?)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

jesus was a carpenter, so throwing the bat wood sort of makes sense.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

WBC scenarios

USA advances with a win or tie or 1-0 loss.

But here's what else we know:

If USA scores, MEX is eliminated.
MEX can only advance with a 3-0 or 4-0 win in 13 or 14 innings.
If MEX scores more than two runs (before the 13th), JPN will advance unless USA wins.
If MEX scores more than three runs, JPN advances unless USA wins (or MEX wins 4-0 – see above).
If MEX scores exactly two runs – and makes fewer than two out in bottom of ninth – JPN advances unless USA wins.
If MEX scores exactly two runs – including the winning run with two out in the bottom of the ninth – USA and JPN are tied with 5 runs allowed in 17 2/3 innings. One of JPN's runs is unearned (ERA is the next tiebreaker).
So:
• If both MEX runs are earned, JPN advances.
• If both MEX runs are unearned, USA advances.
• If one MEX run is earned, then JPN and USA must break tie with batting average in games between teams. JPN is 20 for 65 (.305). USA was 12 for 36 (.333) vs. JPN.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't get your calculations. If the US loses they are out. Period. There is no way they can allow less runs than Japan allowed (7) since they have already allowed 10 going into this game.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 March 2006 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay I found where you found that, but I can't for the life of me understand it. I thought straight runs allowed was the tiebreaker.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah Shasta I think that info is already out of date somehow because Jon Miller just said team USA will be out if they lose and I would trust Jon Miller with my life.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but I think that may be because it's already 2-1 before the bottom of the 9th so if the US loses 2-1 they will have only played 8 innings of defense. I guess it's only common games that matter in the tiebreaker (which seems weird frankly.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Fireworks over field = pretty silly when neither team is advancing.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude I just realized this is probably the sickest, most awesome final group imaginable, both for regional rivalries and quality of play:

JP
KOR

DR
CUB

Oh my god!! I mean that is just awesome. Especially given the two games already played btween KOR and JP. That humiliated arrogance on Ichiro's face.

And DR vs CUB!!! The victory cigars will be pretty sweet regardless of which clubhouse is smoking them.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I am trying to watch replay of CUB/PR and the wbc site feed brings up "hockey tonight" ERRRR

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I am very excited about this final four.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

That humiliated arrogance on Ichiro's face.

Japan got another shitty call when a fan intefered with a foul ball close to the stands. The next pitch was the game wining single.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of:

Mexico took a 1-0 lead off Clemens in the third on a leadoff double by Mario Valenzuela and a two-out single by Jorge Cantu.

But it wasn't that simple.

A television replay showed Valenzuela's fly ball hit the right field foul pole at least 10 feet off the ground and bounced back onto the field. However, first base umpire Bob Davidson didn't see it that way, and Valenzuela wound up at second.

It was Davidson, umpiring behind the plate, who ruled that Japan's Tsuyoshi Nishioka left third base early in the eighth inning Sunday to negate a sacrifice fly that would have snapped a 3-3 tie in a game Team USA eventually won 4-3.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link

That's some classy non-biased umpiring, yeah.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 March 2006 06:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeter's bat-on-shoulder K ending the 8th HAHAHAHAHAHA

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 March 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

How long until the US tanking it is blamed on A-Rod only hitting .400 for the tourney?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 March 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I already read on the gay sports BB that it's cuz NO ONE PLAYS FOR ANYTHING BUT A PAYCHECK!

They should alter the jersey to read "US OF A" just like Sutcliffe the Talking Dog kept saying it.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a feeling there will be different umps if this ever happens again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruK3uvGMg1U&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

U SOFA

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

so that was the same ump who botched the call the other day? it's funny that the article above even says "tv replays revealed..." that was a pretty clear homer at first blush, even.

wrt team usa, i'd say: i like buck martinez in the booth okay, but he wasn't such a hot mgr. would it make more sense to tilt the roster towards dudes that play in offseason leagues or try to do more international comps? clearly, there were some issues in the field.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

like what?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Like the US wasn't as good (or as prepared or as serious) as the other teams.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

my guess is that the us thought that their only competition would be the dominican or venezuela, and that they could waltz into the final round. i'm thrilled that they're out.

i went to korea/japan the other night and it was more fun than i've ever had at a baseball game. i really wish i could get down to san diego tomorrow.

dan (dan), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

who selected the team? if the u.s. is serious about competing, it needs a governing org separate from mlb to run the national program...again, like they do w/ soccer. i'm sure the other countries competing have national orgs and if that's the case, then you pool together and create an international governing body for the purpose of managing the competition, creating standards, an ump pool, etc.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

part of the US's problem has to be that other teams -- especially the caribbean ones, even from MLB teams -- are in mid-season form from playing in the carib championship over the winter, etc, while the americans -- especially the hitters -- have some serious rust and poundage to shake off. no doubt this has been mentioned many times. but it certainly prompts questions about the classic's timing. holding it in november would be awesome, because each country (except australia??) would have just finished their own respective club championships and the international cup or whatever would be like "the next level" ... having it in march just feels too much like an exhibition for what is clearly, despite its flaws, a very intensely played and felt competition.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

each country (except australia??) would have just finished their own respective club championships

Cuba's postseason is in March. And as G3r4rd asked in CSTB, are there Japanese winter leagues? How come they're not rusty?

Part of the US' problem was treating it like the All-Star Game, ie, pulling 'regulars' in middle innings (related to the players' teams queasiness about the whole affair, obv).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 March 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i think japan and korea are well into spring training by early march. we need a new rule mandating that their international teams not practice at all prior to the tournament and that they come in fat and sloppy. this will level the playing field and allow the us to dominate, restoring natural order.

dan (dan), Friday, 17 March 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

It's my understanding that Cuba suspended their season though and took a month to practice. I'm not sure what Japan did, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was something similar.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 March 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Where is Steve Shasta to rip on Dontrelle Willis? Since the season hasn't technically started yet, should 5ER in 2.2IP count toward his pre or post-All Star Game record?
-- NoTimeBeforeTime (mbvarkestra197...), March 8th, 2006 2:27 PM.

His WBC performance (0W-2L, 12.71 ERA, 2.82 WHIP, 6BBs vs. 4Ks) was the 3rd least-effective to date, trailing only Calvin Maduro of the Netherlands and Barry Armitage of South Africa.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i think dan's got the answer here.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

He certainly didn't help, but really there was no saying that Korea wouldn't have been able to score more than 3 runs regardless of who was pitching (leaving aside the Japan game.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

did anyone else hear that tidbit about how if the Korean team wins they would be exempted from mandatory military service in Korea (as is done for Olympians)? no wonder they're raping all who come before them :'(
Here's where Ichiro got pissed, I don't think he had much of a chance on this (cf: Bartman):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL6Y1o1QlOQ

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Luis Ayala will have season-ending surgery to correct damage from injury sustained in Mexico's WBC victory over USA:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=nationalsayala&prov=st&type=lgns

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

These 45 athletes will form the Greek team participating in the Athens 2004 Olympic Games. Our wish is to preserve the National Team after the Games and to gradually include more athletes. The latter will be the offspring of the Hellenic Federation development programmes which have already been operating for two years”.

Panayotis Mitsiopoulos
President of the Hellenic Amateur Baseball Federation

http://www.athens2004.com/athens2004/page/legacy?lang=en&cid=63ca470429149f00VgnVCMServer28130b0aRCRD

WHERE WAS GREECE MAN

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

man, is byung hyun kim the all-time choke daddyest or WHAT?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone else but me find it ludicrous that the asian team with by far the best wbc record isn't advancing to the final against cuba? they housed the US team, trounced the chinese, and beat japan twice. now because BHK sticks his foot in the bad mojo they go home? shenanigans.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 19 March 2006 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean this is the first game they will have lost!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 19 March 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

But on the other hand, Japan lost two very close games to Korea and another one to the USA that was essentially stolen from them. Their record doesn't reflect how well they played.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 19 March 2006 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Given the final four, this Japan vs Cuba was the finals matchup that I least wanted to see.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 19 March 2006 07:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Some bad vibes between Seong Hoon Jeong and Ichiro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ety10zpiZY

For a team that the commentators have noted as "small ball", Japan really knocked the ball around (and out of) PetCo Park (#1 or #2 pitcher's park in MLB).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 19 March 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"Given the final four, this Japan vs Cuba was the finals matchup that I least wanted to see."

That's funny cuz this was the final I most wanted to see. I would have been okay with Korea too, but really Japan is probably the better team. I'm really excited for Monday night.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Cuba's going to be in trouble if Japan starts Daisuke Matsuzaka, even this early in the season he looks like he's the best pitcher on the planet (ie, he'll be wearing pinstripes in 2007).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link


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