I'm sorry but Paul Simon is so overrated

I didn't think the gas station exchange proved anything about Horseshoe

I'm just going on someone calling him / her 'her'

maybe they were wrong and Horsehoe is not female at all.

Yes, I know that Royal Ts scene, it makes the point.

Did PS and Lou Reed really appear in a film together?

i am female, pinefox!

I like that idea, about engineering, thanks

I remember Horseshoe from an ILB thread about a very overrated book which he / she was very keen on -- he / she was quite friendly, respectful and positive about things

good schtick

[xp: change he / she to he]

haha you jerk i still love that book!

a film Simon wrote and starred in, pinefox

also features Rip Torn as Simon's manager, Tiny Tim in a suit made out of newspaper comic strips, the B-52s, and Steve Gadd

I mean, change he / she to she

I'm not surprised you still like that very disappointing book.

I have heard of that film and always heard it was a surprise flop or something -- but it's now sounding like vital viewing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyRunLCpoT4

drum intro to 50 ways is all time and much better than a novelty song deserves

well yeah that's Steve Gadd isn't it? that dude's a fucking monster

'He's been playing us an exciting new song'

this film looks classic !! one of the great pop films!?

can't believe steve gadd let paul simon colonialize him

it wasn't surprising that one trick pony was a flop - it's all inside baseball - but def required
viewing for an ILMer

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You're confusing him with Jim Gordon

Paul Simon is very ugly in this.

It's the principal source of his revenue

listening to still crazy for the first time as a result of this thread.

btw

omg yay tell me if you think he is a murderer in that song!

on the "jury of my peers" basis? never got that vibe

he says, "i fear i'll do some damage one fine day," but there are so many ellipses in that song, like

I met my old lover
On the street last night
She seemed so glad to see me
I just smiled
And we talked about some old times
And we drank ourselves some beers
Still crazy after all these years

and it's like, what happened between the beers and the crazy?

― horseshoe, Sunday, August 7, 2011 4:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

It's ironic, thinking that drinking a few beers is "crazy" behavior?

there's clearly something left out between drinking the beers and the refrain. that whole song is so menacing. in a quiet way.

yes I have always interpreted Still Crazy... to be about someone genuinely crazy/homicidal

Now I sit by my window
And I watch the cars
I fear I'll do some damage
One fine day
But I would not be convicted
By a jury of my peers
Still crazy after all these years

"sit by my window and I watch the cars/fear I'll do some damage one fine day" = sniper talk

totally

Again, you people are thinking of Jim Gordon

"he was a quiet sortof guy, kept to himself mostly"

i'm not the kind of man / who tends to socialize

so at best, he's a potential murderer

lol this chick on gone at last just comes out of nowhere!

but i think he killed his ex-girlfriend in the first verse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjtOa8d_BHU

i haven't made up my mind on paul simon and probably never will.

he's so good and a bunch of what he's written really moves me, but he's also (or even simultaneously) a perfect exemplar of things about that generation of people that drives me up a fucking wall

You guys are nuts, that song is the dream of a milquetoast who wishes he had the guts to really go off on the world but knows he never will.

i am just guessing at what those things are, but if i'm right i think they're inseparable from what's good about his songs.

like "the mississippi delta was shining like a national guitar" is just... awful

yes a "national guitar", like, the blues, i get it. also you can't see the 'delta' as a thing, can you? it's about as big as connecticut. and the "cradle of the civil war"? that's... south carolina. virginia maybe, in another sense. every other thing he says i feel like saying, "well, maybe, but..."

he has a way of writing things that have the form of being moving and insightful but aren't

i really enjoy his first solo album from 1965. it gives you a good idea of what life without Art might have been like.

oh okay. aero agrees with you >:[

xp

i dunno p sure you can see the delta as a thing

like from a plane

You guys are nuts, that song is the dream of a milquetoast who wishes he had the guts to really go off on the world but knows he never will.
--L.P. Hovercraft (WmC)

i buy that interp, too, it's just less fun

yeah but evan hes driving in that song, remember, he keeps harassing people at gas stations

fyi 2 50 ways/steve gadd fans:

btw i agree that "50 ways to leave yr lover" is really corny but if you ever wanted a version that just had that mellow-as-hell rainy-day opening and those sick steve gadd drums here it is:

http://soundcloud.com/aordisco/50-ways-to-leave-your-lover-pollyns-re-edit-remix-paul-simon

― max, Sunday, August 7, 2011 3:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also you can't see the 'delta' as a thing, can you?

You can. I can, at least. I don't like the simile in that line, but don't have a problem with the subject.

and yeah delta/nat'l guitar = the blues is kinda facile but....nat'l guitars are shiny and so is water. if anything, i'd say he has a talent (if you want to call it that) for taking not-very-deep lyrics and sublimating them with melody

i mean i love cortez the killer but it is possibly the most embarrassing song every written if you take even a second to actually pay close attention to the words

and i agree with wmc---i actually do conceive of the delta as a thing as much as a region or w/e

i buy that interp, too, it's just less fun

― horseshoe, Monday, August 8, 2011 12:41 PM (1 minute ago)

I don't want the song to be fun, it's a total life-wasted tragedy! If you stripped out the lyrics and just listened to the music, would you think "I wonder how the lyrics of 'Palisades Park' would fit here..." It's a huge bummer!

okay i always thought national guitar was an abstract image and not an actual thing. this changes things.

I don't want the song to be fun, it's a total life-wasted tragedy! If you stripped out the lyrics and just listened to the music, would you think "I wonder how the lyrics of 'Palisades Park' would fit here..." It's a huge bummer!

― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Monday, August 8, 2011 1:45 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark

omg i didn't mean the song was fun i meant imagining what's happening in the ellipses is fun.