Oh, Monseur le Fopp, you are really spoiling us...

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Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

More wrecked than Brecht

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

haha

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I've not spent over a tenner for a CD in about the last 10 years.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I paid £14+ for the Saint Etienne 'Nice Price' comp which is the most I've paid for a single cd album for several years. Still it was limited to 3000 copies and no doubt I'll be able to recoup it on ebay in years to come if necessary.

Dr C otm re Parsons, totally wretched. If you must buy some country get some George Jones or Merle Haggard first.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Parsons is "country rock" - it's different.

One of my favourites, I think.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i was gonna say, i din't think he was yer actual country 'as such'.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

He's a lot more country than you might imagine

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i might stick to what i know in that case.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean this one, "Sacred Hearts and Fallen Angels":

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00005BC89/026-3945335-0330023?v=glance&n=229816

I don't know how much proper country has such blatantly Catholic titles - isn't it mostly Protestant?

The pedal steels sometimes go through fuzz boxes and effects pedals, which doesn't happen in "proper" country. And the drumming is different, I am told.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

A lot of the musicians on Gram's solo albs were from Elvis's Las Vegas groups - see also the 'Elvis Country' alb, which is much more country rock than anything Gram ever recorded post-Burritos

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I hear they smoke the barbecue as well...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

The pedal steels sometimes go through fuzz boxes and effects pedals, which doesn't happen in "proper" country.

oh that sounds nice, i'm warming to it again.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

That's the Flying Burrito Bros, not his solo albums

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

>>> The Neu! resiisues were cheapish in Selectadisc some time ago. Maybe they still are, although it is Sister Ray now.

I went at lunch, they are still cheap - £6.99 each - but they only had 2 and '75, and I'm after the 1st one. Ah well.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The pedal steels sometimes go through fuzz boxes and effects pedals, which doesn't happen in "proper" country.

PJM, remind me to play you "Abilene" by Pete Drake and his Amazing Talking Steel Guitar sometime.

The Gram solo albums sound like country to us because country subsequently changed to sound like the Gram Parsons solo albums, I think. This point is, I suppose, fairly academic since we can only really respond to how they sound to us, but anyway.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Amazon used and new seems to me to beat Fopp on price most of the time, even given the postage charges, and I don't generally mind the wait.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Tim - I will. I think Joe Brown and the Bruvvers have a song that has something to do with a talking guitar.

Also George Jones has a song with guitar effects, I think it is for comedy purposes, sort of. I can't remember the title. He leaves off singing and the effects-laden guitar finsihes the line for him.

But yes, the fuzzbox is on the Burrito Brothers' albums (maybe just the first one?) but these tracks are included on the compilation referred to earlier. The effects pedals are quite judicioulsy used, it's not just random pratting about.

And those solo albums have some really beautiful songs, I think.

Meanwhile, I had another listen to Paris 1919, and I still didn't like it very much. Evidence of his voice limitations can be found on the alternate version of Andaluisia, just after the reference to castles and Christians. I suppose that is why they did another version, but it illustrates what I was talking about.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 July 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"Her Name Is" is the George Jones song you're thinking of, I think. It's a particular favourite of mine. But I'm not sure it has any special effects on the pedal steel over and / or above that provided by the pedals themselves. I'm no expert, mind.

I think we agree about Gram Parsons, though I'm not yet moved to shell £13 or whatever for those alternate takes.

I also think we agree on John Cale, who's one of those people I hear loads of positive things about, from people wose tastes I respect (sometimes even trust) but I haven't managed to make myself like him.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 July 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link

£15!

If I ever open it, rather than take it back, I will copy them for you, the alternate takes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 July 2006 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you should take it back and buy the Joe Brown and the Bruvvers Box Set.

I was pleased to think that buying the Gram thing cheered you up. I hope you haven't been saddened by its continued state of shrinkwrappedness.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:01 (seventeen years ago) link

If you're in Edinburgh and looking for Neu and the Can reissues then Avalanche on Cockburn Street next to FOPP has Neu and Neu 2 for £6.99 and Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi and Monster Movie remasters for £7.99.

mms (mms), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Paris 1919 is one of my favourite records; I find Cale's voice very moving.

I say "favourite" but that just means it's one of about a dozen records (like House Tornado and Secrets of the Beehive) that assumed untouchable status in my head about 10-12 years ago and that I don't feel the need to revisit very often or reassess. This is probably a bad thing, I dunno.

In other news, I have unpacked all my CDs and set up my stereo for the first time in five months. The first CD tune I played (very quietly - it was nearly 1am when I finished plugged everything in) was Noel Akchote and Marc Ribot havin' a bash at Ornette Coleman's "New York" and the first vinyl tune was The Blue Aeroplanes' hooj summer smash "Yr Own World".

Perhaps I will blow the next Child Tax Credit payment in Fopp.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

The Child Tax is one of my favourites, I have to say.

Congrats on the return of your stereo, MJ. Have you ascertained the precise location of the Sweet Spot, yet? Is the delicate technology well away from the reach of jammy, curious fingers?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you ascertained the precise location of the Sweet Spot, yet?

It about two feet above and 10-12 inches behind my sitting position in the middle of the couch (speakers are very high in this massively compromised arrangement), so I expect to develop fantastic neck muscles, like Garth Cr00ks.

Is the delicate technology well away from the reach of jammy, curious fingers?

No, the missus can reach it. Ho ho! DVD, VCR and power amps are all at Ava-level, unfortunately. Pam's a dab hand at knocking together nifty-looking panels and stuff from a bit of cheap tongue'n'groove, so I'm sure she can come up with something to shield them. I suggested a minefield.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 20 July 2006 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

It does cheer me, Tim. I don't think I will take it back. Rest assured. Its continued shrinkwrappedness is a sign that I am saving it up, all the better to savour it.

Thing is, I don't just want to listen to Joe Brown and the Bruvvers, I want to be them. I want to be groomed for stardom.

Secrets of the Beehive is a film, isn't it? No, that is Spirit of the Beehive. I have seen it, at the pictures. I prefer "Furtivos":

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073028/

Perhaps John Cale is an artist best listened to in the winter months. I think I am going to file this record with that Gene Clark one that everyone says is great but I don't like - No Other, that's it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 July 2006 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

My broither bought me a book about Heavy Metal cover art from Fopp on Tuesday, pretty chyeap and very, very awesome.

mei (mei), Thursday, 20 July 2006 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Steady Mike, anyone would think you did not want Garth Cr**ks to find this thread and e-mail you about it.

I am surprised the Doc dislikes GP so. I like him, as most people seem to do. I recently discovered how much I like 'I Can't Dance', in a way.

I am thinking of buying SAINT MORRISSEY, the book, from this shop. Should I?

Most surprising recent bargain: Magnetic Fields, HOLIDAY, £5!

But the first copy I bought didn't have a CD in it!

I took it back and got the CD from a copy that said £7 on it.

Bargain!

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 20 July 2006 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Fopp Online!!! http://www.fopp.co.uk/

haven't been able to gauge if the web prices are as good as the on-street yet but a good thing surely.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 July 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

TCR IS GO!

Pete W (peterw), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Ry Cooder's Chavez Ravine is currently going for a fiver at Fopp. A very good record it is too, though it does fall into the category of albums you'd happily buy for a fiver but not the full £15.99 whack.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh good, I can go there tomorrow! (xpost)

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I suspect that the selection at the new TCR Fopp will pretty much be the same as the old Cambridge Circus branch. But I'll be tempted to take a walk up that way, if they have enough different stuff (cheap!). Anyone know if this is the case?

avery keen-gardner (avery keen-gardner), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

TCR has got confusing new categories, the main one being "alt/modern". Everything earlier than c.1995 comes under "classic rock/singer songwriter". Oh & there's also "pop".

I bought "Mr Isaacs" by Gregory Isaacs

bham (bham), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

hurrah am DOING tcr tomorrow./

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

this will be a chance for me to unknowingly glimpse other ilxors, inna kieslowski stylee.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

When are Fopp going to open a Streatham branch?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

It's the biggest Fopp yet! As was mentioned above it's a bit confusingly laid out...

TCR has got confusing new categories, the main one being "alt/modern". Everything earlier than c.1995 comes under "classic rock/singer songwriter".

... which isn't strictly accurate as there's plenty of stuff from pre-1995 in the alt/modern section and there's a fair bit of stuff from post-1995 in classic rock/singer songwriter section, e.g. Can are in the alt/modern section while Faust are in classic rock, even more confusingly Frank Zappa is alt/modern and Petra Haden is classic rock!

Also pricing policy is a bit all over the (record) shop - I noticed the same CD on sale (in different sections but sometimes even in the same section) for £3, £5 and £7! And not just once either! So shop around. So I bought:

Lou Reed - Take No Prisoners £5
The Doors - Strange Days £3
Todd Rundgren - The Healing £1(!)
Lee Perry & Friends - Chapter 3: Live As One £1 (!!)

Chuffed with the last one as it's got a lot of tracks I've been looking for on it.

Of course, shitloads of other stuff I coulda bought and I think prices will tumble even further as the record industry lurches inexorably towards disaster and extinction *rubs hands with glee*

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:55 (seventeen years ago) link

... also they've got a classical section now, but don't get all excited 'cos it's crap

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Thursday, 27 July 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

No Topography Of The Lungs CD at £5 then.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 July 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't look but could be!

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Thursday, 27 July 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

It would be good if they had SAINT MORRISSEY for £1.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 27 July 2006 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

They have an AMBIENT MINIMALISM section.

Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 27 July 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

ABJECT MISERABLISM xpost.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 27 July 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

In the warehouse sale in Glasgow I saw the Lollies for £1! I really should buy it. Is it anything like Shimura Curves?

Stew (stew s), Thursday, 27 July 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i went yesterday!

nice.

gotta be said, that hmv really has had to follow fopp lots; it's not the thing it used to be.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there much cheap vinyl?

I will go tomorrow morning.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

didn't look at vinyl. can't put vinyl into itunes.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:31 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the motivation I've been looking for to go back to work next week.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought the Lollies for £1 in the Edinburgh Fopp a few years back. It was better than some of the other CDs I got at the same time!

alext (alext), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link


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