it's still shit. i'm a dead hater, so sue me.
― Eisbaer, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Does Dead-hating include the New Riders? Surely you can't dislike the New Riders s/t.
― gnarly sceptre, Monday, 18 February 2008 10:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Dead-hating does not include The New Riders Of The Purple Sage, no.
― chaki, Monday, 18 February 2008 11:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Then there shall be a peace.
― gnarly sceptre, Monday, 18 February 2008 11:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Top 5 songs sung primarily be Bob:
1) "Looks Like Rain" 2) "Jack Straw" 3) "Weather Report Suite" 4) "Estimated Prophet" 5) "Cassidy"
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link
"Re: Phil...personally, I just really do not like his style of playing 'around' the song rather than giving it a good foundation--he noodles around in a very self-indulgent manner, as if he's just listening to himself rather than the song."
I think the thing with Lesh's bass lines is to listen how they interact with Garcia's lead guitar. The Dead was a band with some heavy harmony, as you also have a rhythm guitarist and always one keyboard player, so I don't think there was a great need for him to hang in the back on bass and hold down the root. I think Lesh's lines seem to be weaving in with Garcia and I think they did quite a bit of interplay between them. How the bass worked was one of the more unique things in the bands sound.
If you would have put Duck Dunn in the Dead, it would have worked, grooved and probably sounded good, but then again it wouldn't quite sound like 'the dead'. I think Lesh's style is as unique as say how Peter Hook's playing is in New Order, it isn't really how most bass players play but that is one of the reasons the band sounds a bit different.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link
otm, xp
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link
grateful dead 4 real
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:24 (sixteen years ago) link
mb/n
undersampled
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:25 (sixteen years ago) link
richest textures in th 70s
i heard anyways. maybe like 1/50 pink floyd tracks
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:26 (sixteen years ago) link
uh yeah hold down tha root
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:28 (sixteen years ago) link
what were the intervals of jerzy garcia would YOU PREFER
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:29 (sixteen years ago) link
were all the lyrics about. what are some good lyrics of theirs if any aren't i don't think
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:31 (sixteen years ago) link
ban mkcaine.
― ian, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link
otm
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link
mkciane takin the heat off
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link
ban sturdy banton.
― ian, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean what are some good gd songs
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link
were they emo or something
what's wrong
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.webwhispers.org/newspics/apr06/loopy.jpg
― bug, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Another great Resonant Frequency from Mark Richardson, this one on the Dead. Any Deadheads have any critiques?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link
nope! i don't know if his choices, especially in the second list (which i think emphasizes jams more than 'psych', whatever people like to think that is), are precisely-tailored to his audience, but i don't care, either.
― gabbneb, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Gah, that harmonized guitar lick from Fire on the Mountain just popped into my head for the first time in years, and with it an image of this one stupid hippie girl with her stupid hippie facial expression and smelly dreads doing the wavey arm dance.
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean the girl is doing the wavey arm dance, not her dreads. Well actually kind of both.
I liked the article. I would have gone with different records, and I don't think the Dead were miserable in the studio in general. But it was nice to read an enthusiastic young person on the Dead.
― Euler, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:57 (fifteen years ago) link
and the 1972 shows were by no means *just* rootsy affairs; there are some spaced-out "Dark Star"s and so on that year; that's why those shows ought to be such a gateway for people looking for those two sides of the Dead (the country-folk-blues side and the space jam side).
― Euler, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:58 (fifteen years ago) link
The Wall of SOund was a technical marvel.
st. stevens, cumberland blues, sage and spirit (flutes), box of rain, friend of the devil (slow version from Dead Set) - I can see these songs being enjoyed by people who say they don't like the grateful dead... agree, disagree, other suggestions? I like grateful dead so it's hard to choose songs. Maybe cosmic charlie?
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 4 August 2008 04:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's a funny little experiment to try on Grateful Dead fans:
Ask them to name more than 1 Grateful Dead song. Hardly anyone can do it.
― res, Monday, 4 August 2008 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Truckin & Dark Star?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2008 05:45 (fifteen years ago) link
An average show might find Jerry Garcia, about 50 lbs. overweight, wearing an XXXXL tiedye, barely moving as he played;
Garcia never wore tie-dyes. Hanes black Ts you tard.
Also: I would have gone with different records, and I don't think the Dead were miserable in the studio in general.
Euler is on the money here. I think the Grateful Dead's rep for bad studio work comes mostly from fans who are disappointed to hear versions of the songs that are shortened/not jammed out/played in tune. While the ones he mentions are classics, I wouldn't let that steer you away from Wake of the Flood, Blues for Allah, Go to Heaven, or the others.
I'm pretty surprised that he doesn't mention Anthem of the Sun at all, since the whole live music c&p'd with Stockhausen-influenced sound-collage thing would probably go over well with Pitchforkers.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 4 August 2008 12:39 (fifteen years ago) link
this new band the Donkeys, hyped out on Pitchfork this morning, sounds a lot like the Dead. Which is cool with me, because I like that sound. The drummer could maybe use a kick in the ass but I am digging them generally.
― J0hn D., Monday, 4 August 2008 12:45 (fifteen years ago) link
also yeah there's lots of good studio Dead as I've learned over the past couple of years - I think post-American Beauty, many of their albums would have made better EPs, but they would have been great EP's. "Help Is On the Way/Slipknot"/"Franklin's Tower"/"Sage & Spirit" = a 12" I would buy twice
― J0hn D., Monday, 4 August 2008 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Acutally he wore many between '70 and '72. The bio Garcia has a photo of him wearing one.
This simply isn't true, especially considering the archival nature of so many Deadheads.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 4 August 2008 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link
They're pretty cool, but I agree about the rhythm section. Bands that try to get all West Coast often confuse spacey/dreamy and sleepy. I'm more impressed by the new Warmer Milks album, Soft Walks, on Animal Disguise. It's more rooted in Neil Young by way of Palace, yet it taps a similar brand of early '70s Americana. Plus, WM goes for the Dead's expansive aesthetic. There's everything from country-rock pop tunes to jammy, free-form exploration. Good stuff.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 4 August 2008 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's a funny little experiment to try on Grateful Dead fans: Ask them to name more than 1 Grateful Dead song. Hardly anyone can do it. This is what the Dead Heads do to the noobs/posers to out them! Duh!
― Trip Maker, Monday, 4 August 2008 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link
It's more rooted in Neil Young by way of Palace,
Does this mean they do the cracky-voice thing? I can't deal with that.
― J0hn D., Monday, 4 August 2008 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link
fwiw will oldham doesn't really do that cracky voice thing anymore and hasn't for quite awhile. he's improvdd considerably in range and polish as a singer over the years.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 4 August 2008 16:57 (fifteen years ago) link
noted
― J0hn D., Monday, 4 August 2008 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
They kinda do, but their voices also flail out of tune like the Dead's (when they weren't in the studio)!
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 4 August 2008 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link
"flail" should probably be "wander" or "stumble" or "float" or...
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 4 August 2008 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Excellent article. You could nit-pick some of his choices, but that seems to be the point.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link
for some reason Kevin Ayers - 'whatevershebringswesing' (the song) reminds of grateful dead a hell of a lot. The guitar solo, or the beautiful, colorful, melancholy and happiness... I just can't figure what song it reminds me of. God I love this song
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 11 August 2008 00:28 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=51647 Here's the song I'm talking about.
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 11 August 2008 02:06 (fifteen years ago) link
yes to the original question. beware though you get sick of them fast since they're the quintessential live proposition, the poster children for dude you had to be there. howlin' rain's magnificent fiend is satisfying my dead jones these days. not that they don't sound more like skynyrd. but they've got down the cosmic americana thing i would've liked that the dead nailed more on vinyl
― kamerad, Monday, 11 August 2008 03:01 (fifteen years ago) link
You fall in with some heavy pot smokers when you're in college and all they play is old tapes, and you're at a time when you're lonely and not feeling very social and eventually those tapes start sounding pretty good.
substitute "recently divorced" for "in college" in that sentence and it's pretty much true for me. i was a sort of casual dead fan by that point (having evolved from typical punky dismissiveness), but in that post-divorce wtf-maybe-everything-i-know-is-wrong state i ended up hanging out a lot more than previous with some hippie-jam types and they pretty well opened my ears. (i even listened to a bunch of phish live tapes, although i never got quite sold there.)
glad that the article also mentions that after midnight set, because dead dilettante that i am, that's one i stumbled into and really love.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 11 August 2008 03:28 (fifteen years ago) link
everything you know is wrong http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4293/everythinwrongmx3.jpg
How could anyone be right about everything.. they would be a cocky mofo and I'd have to kill them.
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 11 August 2008 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link