Wot no 2011 Mercury Music Prize thread?

:(

apart from a bit of clumsy-sounding conscious lyrics shtick ghostpoet is the hangover miserabilist album of the year

that is jamie woon for me

(i don't think i can listen to rap when i'm hungover)

bone thugs is decent hangover rap

why is this still a thing

especially with those nominations

dunno it's like the NME thread innit luddite nostalgia gumps

yah true

also it burns up some column space/web pages/minutes of rolling news channels on the night, I guess

(all of which will mention M PEOPLE in snarky fashion)

was in the pub with some nob the night M People won and he was choking on his snakebite and black as i laughed in his face

Who I'd love to see win: Jon Hopkins/King Creosote
Who deserves to win based on the kinds of values Mercury Prize tends to work on: Katy B or Tinie
Who I think has the best chance, realistically: Anna Calvi

Echo the wanting Hopkins and Creosote to win.

PJ Harvey's odds suggest someone knows something; Tinie Tempah has got second to longest odds.

PJ Harvey's odds suggest mug punters like backing people they know

Yeah, that's why "England to win the World Cup" always run way shorter than reality, because people like to bet on the good thing they want to happen.

"Mug punters" know Tinie Tempah better than PJ Harvey, no? I think it's more to do with the bookies paying more attention to reviews than they used to. A few years ago they just went for the biggest indie bands so you could great odds on a critic's favourite like Antony and the Johnsons. Now they factor in critical buzz, and Let England Shake is the best reviewed album on the list, not the biggest name.

i'm mostly amazed that they never factored in reviews before. who did they think was on the panel? (have never bet on this.)

It was a golden age, Lex. Now the odds are pretty much as they should be. If PJ hadn't won before then I think she'd be a shoo-in.

it's so...mercury music prize to have only rewarded her worst album

I feel kind of terrible in that I'm still waiting for PJ Harvey to click with me. I even saw her live this summer and it didn't move me at all. I realise this is kind of a challops on this board though, and I'm sure there'll come a day where she'll come on shuffle at the right time and I'll be all "Hey! This is f'kin great!!". Is it a lyrics thing maybe? I don't tend to pay much attention to lyrics until about the third or fourth time around (at least).

Who are the panel for the prize? Anyone know?

(The odds on PJ are ... not worth placing money on.)

Every time I hear her albums, I always enjoy her diversity and talent, etc.

Every time I see her live on TV, my mind goes "PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! "...

Peej won.

I've never been able to get into anything by PJ Harvey. Her stuff just sounds cold and dreary to me. I know it's supposed to be good, and I'm interest in the political side of it but she's just never taken me - even when I saw her live in the summer.

huh

have you considered that you might be a zombie

Yeah... I can't get into Elvis Costello either.

well that's understandable

It's that one song (by PJ) I used to hear on the Evening Session in the '90s that went "La La La La Please Please Pleeeeasse" - didn't like it. Didn't like the way her voice plead so much and I didn't like the repetitiveness of the guitars now the furrow-browed sincerity of it all. It's not as though I don't appreciate these factors in other acts, her stuff just makes me feel cold and uncomfortable. All the same I do want to get into it - just never heard anything by her that excites me.

now = nor

Is Tinie Tempah supposed to be pronounced like "Tiny Temper"?

yes

or "toy-nee temp-aw" if you're from sunny South London

Could never get into her either but I've liked stuff I've heard from her last album

... Peej that is

when I saw the name Tinie Tempah, I figured it would be another girl rapper like Lady Sov.

Also, calling the album Disc-Overy (ovary?). Has the British public already had their fun with this?

2011 Mercury chat here:

The "ah, fuck it"" 2011 Mercury Music Prize shortlist POLL

dog latin, when was the last time you checked this out:

http://open.spotify.com/track/1f57D54zUH9ajzZ9N7rGE2

still rocks IMO

will give it a proper spin tonight when i get home DJP

Marcello, I think this is the earlier thread.

lulz charlie no 4 really did screw up this year's mercury thread. thankfully it's not a thing to care about anyway, though obv i'm happy with the winner

i pronounce it "tiny tempura" btw and then i eat sushi

and given the britpop shite dog latin has copped to liking i'm quite glad PJH has been spared his taste

not sure King Creosote could be described as Britpop...

Wow at this guy
http://twitter.com/#!/MatthewCainC4

"PJ Harvey wins Mercury for obscure album no-one liked or bought - how predictable! What's wrong with music connecting with lots of people?"

man is wrong. outrageous.

and given the britpop shite dog latin has copped to liking i'm quite glad PJH has been spared his taste

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:34 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not sure King Creosote could be described as Britpop...

― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:38 (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, c'mon billy. what's king creosote got to do with britpop that pj harvey hasn't?

http://blogs.channel4.com/culture/awards-wind-people/1564

I can actually see the Lex quite liking King Creosote's stuff - there's the Jon Hopkins connection, a certain Waits-ian brooding, and it's extremely well played, sung and produced. Not Britpop at all.

You like it tho, so he won't

man is wrong. outrageous.

― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:01 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark

Wouldn't care if he was any old Tweeter, but for someone who is the cultural correspondent for a supposedly serious news source to come up with this garbage is not good IMO.

neil s otm

I must say I'm enjoying taking the excuse to go back through all of the old PJ Harvey albums today; I'd forgotten how great Is This Desire? is

I listened to all of her albums in chronological order yesterday (thx Spotify!), it was really interesting listening to the evolution of her sound

I think it's really important to be introduced to the right album of hers at the right time in your life. For me, it was Rid of Me. I've rarely been so blown away by an album in my life. I needed to hear that female anger, longing, and intensity that had been missing from my record collection.

― thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:42 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I doubt this somehow, but might the fact I grew up around an awful lot of female angst be a barrier in my appreciation of PJ Harvey?

I didn't mean that Rid of Me is the right place for everyone to start. I meant that different albums might be the "ideal" place for a person to get drawn in, and it's great if you're lucky enough to start with that album.

Ugh - not making sense today. On painkillers. Forgive me.

i'm coming off cigs at the moment so my posts aren't exactly being reined in either.