just going to go ahead and have a Captain America: The Movie thread

my reaction to that clip: o_O

it's the "on a man" part that always gets me. so many questions.

maybe he owned horses when he was younger

or was a slaver who specialized in pre-op M->F transsexuals

a decent screenwriter would have made the slaver connection more apparent

Dolph's appreciative "Thanks!" is being underrated here

I guess I don't understand macho camaraderie because I don't think complimenting my partner on his dick size would come anywhere near my list of potential last words to exchange.

i wish there was a clip of the sex scene between dolph and cassandra from wayne's world.

it's like someone saw the asian porno from the beginning of videodrome and thought hmmm classy.

"Don't get killed" is their "As You Wish", isn't it.

That Fantastic Four one from the 90s is bootlegged, right? I just watched the trailer again and it's definitely good for lols

(old guy voice) 9 year olds these days have no idea how good they have it, with comic book movies coming out every which way! i remember when i was a kid reading about the punisher movie or the fantastic four movie and being so excited...and then having to wait like three years for them to come out on video and then THEY SUCKED SO BAD.

Marvel did a couple straight to television features that were kind of special. Hasselhoff as Nick Fury in one, and another one that was supposed to be the Generation X characters if I remember correctly.

haha every thread on ilx is about the 90s now huh

tylerw otm

thats the pernicious influence of strongoization at work

(old guy voice) 9 year olds these days have no idea how good they have it, with comic book movies coming out every which way! i remember when i was a kid reading about the punisher movie or the fantastic four movie and being so excited...and then having to wait like three years for them to come out on video and then THEY SUCKED SO BAD.

^^^this. man as a kid I just could NOT understand why there were not superhero movies coming out all the time, I was dying to see them. now they're everywhere. unfortunately the vast majority of them suck.

i would read about things like the 90s capt. america movie coming out like in the letters section of the comic (or stan lee's little goofy newsletter column) where it'd be like "there's a movie coming out! we don't know anything about it!" funny how clueless marvel seemed to be about all their properties at that point.

the level of terrible, sucky comic book movies has gotten much better! c.f. the last punisher movie versus the lundgren version.

Omg the Captain America with the guy from Space Mutiny is on Syfy now.

Bridge Largemeat! Splint Chesthair! Smash Lampjaw! Rip Slabcheek!

the first movie is a total mess - veers wildly in tone, character motivations make no sense, plot has literally no regard for a coherent sequence of events, majority of the acting is terrible etc

Batman Begins, you mean.

nrq, are u such a relentless horndog in your published crizizism?

― you call it trollin' i call it steamrollin' (Dr Morbius), Friday, July 22, 2011 2:43 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

lol no. i could ask you the same qn tbqh!

so how did those early-mid 90s marvel adaptations happen? my theory is that corman et al were sitting on 5- or 10-year marvel licenses that had been drawn up in the mid-'80s when comic-book movies were not in vogue. then with the crazy success of batman they rushed them into production (captain america maybe was even in production during batman pre-release hype?). my question is did marvel have to sue to keep the corman fantastic 4 from seeing proper release? or did corman himself deem it unreleasable?

seems like another world. now even 2nd-rate marvel characters get $300 million movies.

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it's weird to think how early in burton's career the two batman movies were. i mean w/ the first one he was fresh off of beetlejuice.

I enjoyed this - not for the action really, but for the amusing metafictional aspects I didn't realize were a part of the character's development (or is in the movie, anyway). Also, weirdly poignant last scene!

but the elaborate, bloodless 'war' scenes were pretty zzzzzz

bizarre abt the fantastic 4 corman movie
The Fantastic Four is an unreleased low-budget feature film completed in 1994. Created to secure copyright to the property, the producers never intended it for release although the director, actors, and other participants were not informed of this fact.

more:
In 1992, Constantin Film was about to lose its option on the film rights for Fantastic Four, unless production began by December. Without the $40 million in necessary funding for a full-budget film, producer Bernd Eichinger turned to Roger Corman for help.
Constantin Film permitted the director, actors and others involved in the film to believe that the studio intended to release it in theaters, rather than the film being a cinematic equivalent of an ashcan copy.[1][2] The cast and crew did the film for low salaries after being told that if it did not get released to theaters, it would be used as the pilot for a potential television series.
Filming lasted a month and finished in January 1993, after which post-production began. The cast gave press interviews and attended comic book conventions in good faith. The studio announced a premiere date of 1994, at the Mall of America in Minnesota. In late 1993, the studio announced that the film would not be released because of the budget.
Over a decade later, Constantin Film made a $100 million Fantastic Four film and its sequel, the $130 million Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer.

was there a precedent for this kind of maneuver? seems nutty.

The line "Jam Captain America down their throats!" was just uttered. I had a coughing fit.

p.s. continuity nerds are going to have a hell of a time explaining how chris evans is both johnny storm and captain america.

in fairness, the CGI done on Steve Rogers make him VERY un-Johnny Storm-like

the effects on skinny steve rogers are good, but its weird because they didnt do anything to change chris evans' voice, so he comes off like tay zonday

Skinny Steve looks like Pete Campbell.

the problem with cap - i liked this movie btw! - is that he spends the whole movie effortlessly plowing through every obstacle. i dont think chris evans gets a single scratch or nick on him. so you can basically lean back and go 'eh, he's got this' the whole time.

― ＤＥＨＵＭＡＮＩＺＥ ＹＯＵＲＳＥＬＦ ＡＮＤ ＦＡＣＥ ＴＯ ＢＬＯＯＤＳＨＥＤ (Princess TamTam), Friday, 22 July 2011 14:31 (5 hours ago)

^OTM.

This movie just hammers home what i've always thought: watching superheroes in action is generally pretty boring. The stuff that's fun for me about comic-based movies (when they're at least halfway decent) is usually not the hero-fighting-baddie stuff.

Anyway I liked this overall, largely because of the retro pulp sci-fi WWII setting and the metafictional aspects Simon H. mentioned above. And Evans was good.

what metafictional aspects idgi

They have a Princess Bride-type framing device where a grandpa reads a Captain America comic to his ailing child, who then becomes Captain America IRL at the end of the movie.

p.s. continuity nerds are going to have a hell of a time explaining how chris evans is both johnny storm and captain america.

― by another name (amateurist), Friday, July 22, 2011 7:31 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

The FF movies and the Avengers-related Marvel movies are separate.

"We sure did cram ourselves down a few throats, didn't we?"
"We sure did, Steve."

I can't believe this movie.

?? are they planning to have metafictional grampa steve rogers lead the avengers??

no, i was kidding

that's too bad! i was looking forward to charlie kaufman's avengers.

yeah, evans was good. its tough to play a character this square and still be charismatic, but he pulls it off. and simon otm about weirdly poignant closing scene, which actually made me want to see a sequel just to see how they handle its implications

i liked this a lot

yeah you never feel like Cap/Evans is in danger at any time.

for the curious - metafictional qualities in this movie = Evans earning the Cap title not through valor / some personal vested interest in AMERICA iconography but through a war bonds promotional tour that winds up extending to films...and comics! I kind of loved that he had to prove himself as a commerically viable capital-I Icon before he could do any actual adventuring.

*commercially

lol that is pretty cool

I do like the mobius strip like vibe of all these comic book franchise reboots and relaunches. I'm not imagining things when I say I thought I heard news that after The Dark Knight Rises they're restarting the Batman franchise all over again, right? It's really in keeping with the comics, where the quality of the product ebbs and flows radically based on what writers and artists are tackling in essence the same story over and over again. Like, in the comics, many of these characters go fallow for years until someone finds a way to make them fresh again. Funny that the movies are following the same model, however inadvertently.

well I mean at some point someone is going to do Batman again in any case, it's just a matter of when.

doing the origin story over and over is pretty fucking stupid tho, there is a lot more to the comics than that

Yeah, sometimes they also kill him, too.

never forget: batman's parents were murdered etc.