marquee moon by Television

sort of crazy that in a world with dozens of shitty sounding stooges recordings released officially they've never put the eno demos out.

now that's the straight up legit truth. also, at the end of the day, richard hell = meh.

whosoever wants the eno demos: http://ow.ly/5L6xd
(that's the classic double exposure bootleg, it's got the eno demos + other odds n ends)

whoah. thanks, tyler!

no prob (just grabbed the link from another blog). i remember wanting that bootleg SO BAD back in the days before the internet made it all available. i saw it once in NYC but could not afford it and felt like dying. memories.

the drumming is a lot more james brown/can-esque on that version too.

http://www.crawdaddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/3313marqueemoon.jpg
just got this in the mail -- haven't really gotten too far, but the author seems to know what he's talking about.

You can imagine how *I* felt on finding a Double Exposure album for not stupid money....

i think this is the first time i've ever actually played this album. right now. i went outside for a cigarette during "marquee moon" though. it's still going. i never had a copy. someone brought in the 4 men with beards reissue. reissue is kinda noisy.

still like the roir tape live versions better. like way better. i mean, i've probably heard all these songs at some point in my life. i only really like three songs by them. (friction, mm, ljj)

Scott, try to hear the Live At The Old Waldorf LP which Rhino Handmade put out, it's shit-hot like the ROIR but good radio broadcast sound.

I never liked Television much until I heard the Brian Eno demo bootleg versions of a few of the songs from Marquee Moon. Richard Hell on bass, much more raw energy, only reaffirms for me the fact that the album sounds kind of flat.

Skot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjEFuUNc3Uc&feature=related

Scott, do you not like Foxhole?

xp this is known as the Enoic Challops iirc

Someone Find that TOTP appearance!

enoic challops indeed. those eno demos are good but imo nowhere near the grandeur of marquee moon.
gonna be posting a collection of hell-era television recordings on my blog soon. what should i call it? The Hell Year? Hellevision? Season In Hell?

I guess it comes down to Whichever version you heard first.

here's that "foxhole" from the old grey whistle test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCQ0hEYhZE

It's nice that exists, sure.

But, apparently they did "Prove It" on totp but the tapes are wiped.

And I know nobody that remembers it!

oh ha, never knew they were on top of the pops. a shame, i think that foxhole is the only pro footage of the band in the 70s....

that OGWT clip is great. forgotten how shaky the vocals were though (apart from the fred and richard bit at the end!)

Tom V's live vocals have always sucked, p much. I mean, I like them, but I really can't defend them...

i believe that the waldorf thing is good. they were just way better live. still think they really only had 3 good to great songs though. the whole 2nd side of marquee moon doesn't do much for me. but the whole first side is cool. i was never a richard hell fan either. except for quine, obviously. i dunno, i like all the other big cbgb bands way more. i'm sure they were a revelation to new wavers or whatever back then. but to me at this late date...yeah, they were fine. i mean, they could never do to me what the groundhogs or thin lizzy do to me. as far as guitar bands go. and groundhogs sound way more punk rock and new wave (circa 1972) to me as well. (i always liked the song "marquee moon" going back years. everyone likes it. great riff. catchy. fun to listen to.)

I really should have got that Waldorf thing when it came out...

and rilly i'm not trying to start a television fight. it just occurred to me putting that on today that i had never owned a copy! or been in a room when someone played the whole thing.

it's available from iTunes and other MP3 services, just not physically anymore. It's the second best Television album.

I think it's on Spotify

It's not challops! I found the song Friction, e.g., really really boring until I heard that version.

I do like the coinage though

careful, enoic challops are a slippery slope to coldplay

this my favourite, like, everything record

yeah i know people have strong feelings about it. that's why i wanted to point out that i wasn't, like, trolling or whatever. BUT i can still be critical here. i hope.

i haven't heard much television live but the few videos i saw were kind of disappointing, they have to stand so still and concentrate so hard to play those guitar parts, i always imagined them doing, like, spazzy angular dances or something

The redoubtable Doom and Gloom from the Tomb site has put up some really great Television boots. The Portland show from the Earth Tavern blows the Waldorf Show (from the night before?) out of the water. Much rawer and more rocking versions of tunes from Adventure. And for an audience of about 50 from what I can tell!

the earth tavern show rules too but i think they are equal just different vibes on each night IMO

plus....the sound quality on the waldorf show goes a long way, damn near studio quality, portland is on the rough side (which actually fits the performance)

p much with you, scott. television to me are a band of a few great songs, a couple great live recordings. but when they're on, they're fucking ON.

I think it's on Spotify

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I think, correctly.

mmmmm! It's a bit good, innit?

still like the roir tape live versions better. like way better.

back in the days when cassetes were still a going concern an ilxor promised to tape me that, never got round to it.

But i should...

That's on Spotify as well.

as is obvious from my blog, this band is top 10 for me, if pressed, i might even say marquee moon is my fave rock n roll album ever.

i haven't heard much television live but the few videos i saw were kind of disappointing, they have to stand so still and concentrate so hard to play those guitar parts, i always imagined them doing, like, spazzy angular dances or something
http://www.richardhell.com/jumptv1.jpg
think they were a little spazzy, at least w/ hell in the band, judging from this pic.

haha that's awesome

if anyone's interested, i just posted that hellevision comp mentioned above: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/18962115402/television-a-season-in-hell-soooo-heres-a
some of it's been around the block a bit, but there are some rare-ish things, too.

I am missing something again.

I bought it mid 80s

Revisited since, plenty of times.

Still not great.

say why though.

tylerw - excellent comp, thanks, making my way through now. Loving the baselines. Ficca is fkn fine too.

Be interesting to hear a full album's worth of Marque Moon versions, maybe...

on the occasion of its 40th birthday

https://damienlove.com/writing/friction-the-making-of-televisions-marquee-moon

sweet - thx!