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Taking Font Sides: Johnston or New Johnston?

I'm intrigued by the legal difference between Johnston and Gill Sans. Transport For London still claims ownership of Johnston and, especially, New Johnston - does the Strategic Rail Authority have any rights over Gill Sans?

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 17 March 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I am more of a T-font person: Trebuchet, Tahoma, and Times New Roman.

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Taking Font Sides: Johnston or New Johnston?

I'm intrigued by the legal difference between Johnston and Gill Sans. Transport For London still claims ownership of Johnston and, especially, New Johnston - does the Strategic Rail Authority have any rights over Gill Sans?

Definately Original Johnston. I believe on Johnston the copyright has lapsed, Johnston himself having died more than 70 years ago but I don't know if a font can be trademarked as an entity in itself or whether it is is just the usage (Roundel, signage, map styles etc.) that is trademarked. I believe that New Johnston is under copyright and the move to new johnston was as much about having an important part of the coporate identity under copyright as improving clarity.

I shall persuade Ambrose to ask his Dad who knows about thses things.

As for Gill Sans, it's not been used on the railways for years. I'm not sure what is the type face is nowadays but it's not proper Gill Sans nowadays.

Ed (dali), Friday, 18 March 2005 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

BR dropped Gill Sans when they brought in the Corporate Identity* scheme in 1964. That was when the double-arrow logo was also invented, and the blue-grey corporate colours. It was around the time that the BRB Design Panel was formed, but I don't think that was actually set up until a couple of years later.

(*somewhere* I have a 1970-something issue of Modern Railways magazine with a "Ten years of the Design Panel" article)

* this may not have been what it was actually called - I'm sure it was Corporate Something, though.

caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 18 March 2005 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

*13 high pitched squeals of 'fuck'*

mei (mei), Friday, 18 March 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

UPDATE: Repairs finished already, en route back to store. Will it get here in time??? Stay tuned for the next installment of Ally's blog.

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

(I am the only person on ILE who likes Arial.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

yes

Ed (dali), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

But does anyone have an opinion on Bitstream Vera Sans?

caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

hang on a minute and I will

Ed (dali), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

good B, S not so good

Ed (dali), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Bottom line: is *anyone* totally satisfied with their computer/OS ?

I'm pretty happy w/the ST1040/TOS box I use for midi sequencing, heh.

standard font on my SUSE box = Black Chancery.

I was thinking about getting one of those mac minis, loading it up w/a 8x8 midi interface, a MOTU firewire 8x8 audio interface and using it as a replacement for my atari/hdr setup. Maybe I'm not so sure now. Ally + tombot on this thread are great!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

(I am the only person on ILE who likes Arial.)

Arial is good for small font sizes on non-anti-aliased screens. If you don't have ClearType turned on and you're reading a small sidebar, Arial is what you want. Otherwise it's pretty ugly.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I would wait nine months to a year on the Minis to see if the hardware holds up! we have raised GREAT WORRIES.

TOMBOT, Friday, 18 March 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's what I was figuring. Let other people make all the mistakes. If my Atari craps out in the meantime, I can get another one, or get one of my 5 broken ones fixed, even. One of them just needs a new power supply iirc.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

A very "interesting" interview with a Mac developer, containing this excellent observation:

If you could push a feature request, or perhaps a bug on your
wish-list to the top of Apples' radar for OSX, what would it
be?

Kill Finder X. It's really that bad. But don't just
resuscitate Finder 9 -- do better. Finder 9 always needed a
toolbar, for example. Finder 9 needed a plugin architecture.
Finder X does trounce Finder 9 in terms of built-in search,
though.

There are people out there who know what the next Finder looks
like. Apple needs to get out of their way and let them deliver
it.

You seem like a guy who prefers to refactor rather than
rewrite, so I'm going to assume you wouldn't say that lightly,
and we'll just proceed on the assumption that Finder X is a
complete clusterfuck. How does a company known for its
innovation, craftsmanship and software skills let something
like Finder X out the door?

Finder X is the compromise between the Mac OS folks and the
NeXT folks. Neither won, everybody lost.

Oh my god, the entire bastardized notion of switching from
metal to aqua and hiding the sidebar when clicking on the
toolbar chiclet in the upper right-hand corner.

Bonus: notice how if you click on the extreme right of the
chiclet and try to switch back, you fail -- the window theme
switch moved the chiclet slightly to the left and now you've
got to follow it. Gag. Folks, this type of stuff makes Gnome
look good.

I don't know how Finder X shipped. Someone high enough must
be in love with it that the normal human interface vetting+
feedback process didn't/couldn't take place.

TOMBOT, Monday, 28 March 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

This website has had a lot of little add ins that have helped psuedo solve some of the disgust I had for OSX. Using a couple of these + TinkerTool & TinkerTool System have been a pretty good compromise for me, though not exactly ideal or perfect, but pretty good.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I tried using Path Finder for awhile, and I actually like it alright, although I was never able to strip it down enough, and you're still stuck w/the dock, and the menu-oid things that I think the above-mentioned developer refers to as chiclets. Maybe Pathfinder + DragThing + Tinkertool = nirvana?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

what is a "chiclet"?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

a type of gum

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

THANKS BRO

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.wackypackages.org/realproductsscans/chiclets.jpg

the thing in the upper right

BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the problem with Finder? It works as well as Microsoft's search feature.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure amst, but I think he's talking about the controls that appear on the right side of the menubar, next to the clock.

Anyway, Tog says: http://www.asktog.com/columns/060MonsterMac.html

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought he was talking about the chiclet in the title bar of the window.

People need to stop being such cranks. Iterative improvments are going to come along.

BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

the file finder system is shitty. the default column widths when you look in the 3-column view is too narrow to see the full names of directories that have long names. it's a pain in the ass to navigate around in. if you change your view it doesn't keep you in the same directory you had selected. I hate it.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

The left hand bar of commonly used directories doesn't seem to remember that I like it tiny which drives me nuts!

BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

People are such cranks, Jon, because we USED THE CLASSIC AND IT WERE AN IMPROVEMENT. it is like when adults listen to kids' music and think "wtf happened to like, marvin gaye and stuff" and then YOU come along and act all like Lil' Nephew and shit

TOMBOT, Monday, 28 March 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/lilBowWow.jpg

BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What is this "window theme switch"? Is his only argument for trashing the Finder based on some feature I've never used?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Lil' Nephew cannot possibly be a real person.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I came home and tried out this terrible toggle chicklet. OK, it's dumb and useless. I can't really imagine a need to have e-z toggling built in like that. Surely a "folder options" option would be enough. And yes, the toggle isn't done as smoothly as it should be. The chicklet does move a bit. That isn't good.

Um. So I'm not saying there couldn't be a better Finder, but... is that really all the guy can find to complain about?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Apple because they're responsible for the existence of this thread.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Why don't you stop using a Mac, TOMBOT? And if you don't want to stop using one, then try shutting up. You're such a whiner. This is the way it is. Deal.

Nobody In Particular, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

STOP STEALING MY SCHTICK FUCKER!!!

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't believe somebody would log out to post that!

(maybe it's a joke)

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I don't think I understand the Apple business plan. As of right now there are no standalone desktops between the Mac Mini and a dual G5 2GHz (which, moderately ride-pimped, runs a cool $2400).
That's insane.
I want/need a new G5 desktop to last two or three years in the $1200 range and I don't want/need an iMac. Surely I'm not the only person in this middle-ground market - the Mini doesn't meet my needs and I can't/won't spend $2500 on a desktop running a chip that will be obsolete in less than two years.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I no longer have Applecare! Should I worry or is it all a SHAM?

a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I would actually like Elvis Telecom in particular to answer this, because I trust most everything he says (about computers, anyway).

a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

milo, Apple will be selling G5 desktops well into 2007 and support will run well beyond then. However, sropping the single processor model didn't seem like the smartest idea on their part.

I would say applecare is important for laptops, less so for desktops.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I would actually like Elvis Telecom in particular to answer this, because I trust most everything he says (about computers, anyway).

AppleCare is pretty essential for laptops. They're expensive, they get beat up, and if the screen fails you're already way ahead of the game in overall cost.

I've actually had to use it once and it saved plenty of time being able to leap-frog ahead to the front of the support line. To be fair though, if I don't have my laptop I'm not able to work at all - making that "does it pay for itself" question pretty easy to answer.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

are they planning on the intel-based machines to fill that gap or is that still too far away?

(they seem to run xp happily enough 8)

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I got 6 replacement ipods with Apple Care. Last week the 90 day warranty on the last ipod expired. Two days ago my ipod was stolen.

banana face (banana face), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate Apple

banana face (banana face), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Six?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude, it's not their fault your thing got ripped off.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I want/need a new G5 desktop to last two or three years in the $1200 range and I don't want/need an iMac.

Agreed. My solution was to buy a g4 tower on eBay. I think there's a sweet spot in price/performance right now from the "Digital Audio" models up to the early Mirrored Drive Door g4s. Unless you're doing really processor-intensive stuff, they should be snappy for a few years still. The last batch of g4 towers are still overpriced on ebay, though.

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

banana face, do you also hate your doctor for getting you addicted to painkillers?

TOMBOT, Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate the grocery store for selling me Nutty Bars.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link


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