rolling enlightening music discussion thread

I got rid of the box ages ago which I sorta regret. Maybe I was miffed that techno had usurped house in the zeitgeist. More likely it was just too damn patchy (although admittedly the house box was too).

But. I took a History of American Popular Music course c. 1991 and said history apparently stopped with Aretha's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" since that was the last song the prof played. However, for the last day of class, he asked us to bring one song from the 1990s which we thought pointed towards the future (and, yes, that means yet again the 1980s weren't part of history).

Anyhoo, I remember only three examples of the future of music as of 1991: Seal (!), The Nylons (!!!), and Little Richard's "Itsy Bitsy Spider" (! x infinity). Seal, I can forgive - Prog&B sounded pretty futuristic back then. But the fuckin' Nylons??? Wasn't the point of their music, such as it is, to look back? And come the fuck on. Little Richard??? Worship him but was he the future of anything by 1960 much less 1991?

I was in a rage by the time I walked up to the front of the class to play Zone: "Eternal #2" from this comp which was authorless in a way very much unlike "Itsy Bitsy Freakin' Spider." And boy did I sound a lot like those liner notes while pumping my choice. But it was such an amazing experience. Half the class seemed awakened for the first time all semester while about a quarter were stunned and/or whispering to one another as if I just unveiled Jeff Koons' "Made in Heaven" series (leaving one quarter completely unfazed). The prof was cool at first, asking me where the term "house music" came from and whatnot. But he got downright frosty when the conversation evolved into a gripefest about Rolling Stone. It was awesome. Eventually he had to tell me to sit down since he realized part of what we were bitching about was the truncated history he'd been handing us all semester.

Of course, it all seems a bit silly now if only because the concept of "future" in a capitalist society is nothing to parade about. Still, the very real folk behind Zone get my vote for affording me the opportunity to shake up that bullshit class for five minutes.

P.S. I wrote my final paper on The Frogs' It's Only Right and Natural, imagining it as a collection of songs hidden away in an attic for 100+ years. I got an A but there were no comments on the paper.

-- Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:28 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

kevin jon bazooka: blowing 50% of minds in his own head since 1991

hahaha

i finally heard the lcd soundsystem joint and its garbage for real... sounds like marcy playground with beats

-- and what

^truth

HAW

fuckin guy

Easy listening's biggest impact is that it

1. made "Wonderwall" a much bigger hit than it already was and turned it into sort of the ultimate Britpop anthem
2. brought the world Neil Hannon.

-- Geir Hongro, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:23 (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

fuckin guy

he's not wrong though

even a totally insane clock is right twice a day

No love for "He Thought of Cars"?

-- marc h., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:01 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Wait, it was #2, as it should be. Carry on...

-- marc h., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:02 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

That fucking guy...

Is there a "Rolling People Who Never Ever Read Any Previous Posts on a Thread before Posting" thread?

Can't believe no-one's posted this one yet! Come ON!

No love for "He Thought of Cars"?

-- marc h., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:01 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Wait, it was #2, as it should be. Carry on...

-- marc h., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:02 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Hmm, apparently there are 561 P&J ballots, as opposed to only 452 Ipop ballots. That's kinda unexpected.

-- Ioannis, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 14:25 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

"Wait a minute, I thought Idolator changed the world? I'm confused?"

http://library.thinkquest.org/26618/gather/expressions/31/disappointed.jpg

and NYC?.... Peaches stood on stage at Exit—alone but for a backup dancer—wearing black leather panties and a halter top and screaming about fucking the pain away. Wendy O. Williams had her chainsaw, Peaches has an oversized neon dildo; both, when brandished, represent the same nihilistic essence. In the late '70s and early '80s, DIY was an excuse to play guitars, badly. Today, the same ethic is pouring forth from keyboards. Village Voice (2001)

alas, Electroclash has taken off. Any comments?

-- , Friday, April 12, 2002 8:00 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

also haven't gotten sick of "please don't stop the music"

-- gr8080, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:52 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

grady do you like "the way i are"

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

a lot.

-- gr8080, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:56 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

the de-rocking of indie rock is a whole different issue, and would make for a good discussion though i have to imagine that it's been discussed on ilm in some thread at some point before

-- J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 22:54 (16 minutes ago) Link

lol SFJ0rdan

Ha. Idolator misspelled Antonina Armato's name.

-- Frank Kogan, Friday, January 18, 2008

Song you would most like to hear covered by artist of your choice.

I couldn't think of a more concise title.
But anyways, I thought of this thread because I really wanted to hear The Fiery Furnaces cover Mother Whale Eyeless by Eno.
Damn, I think that would be such a good song.

What would be your fantastical song/band combination?

-- our work is never over, Friday, 25 January 2008 18:10 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

You can't be called "our work is never over" and then (bad) post a picture of Daft Punk and then (worse) actually SAY Daft Punk and then (worst of all) change it to fucking Fierey Furnacese!!! The rules are there for a reason.

-- contenderizer, Friday, 25 January 2008 23:16 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Oh?

I live by my own rules baby.

-- our work is never over, Friday, 25 January 2008 23:17 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Yeah, I dunno, it's Friday.

-- contenderizer, Friday, 25 January 2008 23:18 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Whats wrong with enjoying both daft punk and the fiery furnaces?

-- our work is never over, Friday, 25 January 2008 23:19 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Absolutely nothing. I'm not sure I ever even said anything.

-- contenderizer, Friday, 25 January 2008 23:28 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Well on the bright side, the picture of that duo you posted, is probably the best one.

-- our work is never over, Friday, 25 January 2008 23:31 (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Bands / artists with NO "clunkers"

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=41

roxypwn

Bands / artists with NO "clunkers"

Assholes - AlexinNYC - Hongro - Goldberg - Eddy = All time great starting lineup

http://www.vtv.vn/HTML/Data/resources/Original/Image/2007/7/10/2007710233251_brazil%201970.jpg

http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/images/2006/06/USA%20Dream%20Team.jpg

L-R: Steve Goldberg, Chuck Eddy, Alex in NYC, If Asshole Could Fly, Geir Hongro

What about Working For A Nuclear Free City? They're a good modern indie band.

(note: the rason they aren't on the list is because they've only got one album at this point, which I don't think is enough for a band that is still going)

-- liamail, Sunday, 27 January 2008 14:00 (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I was trying to find that "New Posters of Value" thread for him.

We shd have a sweep on how many days before he's banned after launching into a comedy homophobic rant at somebody like Tuomas.

do you hang around threads looking to swoop?

"HOMOPHOBE! RACIST! EMPLOYED!"

Project much?

don't mind me, lee young-pyo is making me nervous.

wow darraghmac you really hate noodle vague

rather the reverse. i think he seems a nice fella, he's far from keen on me.

The impulse to correct is straight love, dude.

cool, it leaves me more hate to concentrate on the jol/robinson/dawson axis of evil.

I would like "A Punk" if it was something Jonathan Richman or whoever did twenty years ago, but because it's new I think it sucks.

-- Bodrick III, Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:44 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Great point.

-- Noodle Vague, Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:51 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I should quit having a life and start trawling through ILM more because this thread is v. funny stuff!!

i've always wanted to check out some Burzum.

-- scott seward, Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:07 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

As this is ILE, I'm going to ask this question:

Is this good music? Or just metal shit?

Don't you have to be a bit of a derr-brain to call your band Carcass?
Why would you want your fans to think of corpses when they say your name? Surely corpses = bad?

-- Bumfluff, Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:35 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

lol

hahaha

Vampire Weekend; Arctic Monkeys of 2008?

The best artists/albums of the 00s so far

Some consolidation errors in the published poll:

- 1 stray vote for Myths of the Near Future (should be 9)
- 1 stray vote for Jill Scott (should be 8)
- 1 drunkenly stray vote ("les say fey - lest stay driends") for Les Savy Fav (should be 8)
- 1 stray vote ("S/T") for Shocking Pinks (should be 8)
- 1 stray vote for Caetano Veloso (should be 6)
- 6 votes for Los Campesinos (in three groups of 2)
- 6 votes for Dizzee Rascal's Maths + English (2 as "Maths and English")
- 1 stray vote for Kathy Diamond (should be 4)
- 1 stray vote for Cass McCombs' Dropping the Writ (should be 4)
- 3 separate votes for Motian/Frisell/Lovano's Time and Time Again
- 3 votes for Electric Wizard's Witchcult Today (2 as "Witchcraft Today")
- 1 stray vote for Tommy Womack (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Tyvek (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Sarah Borges (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Jim Ford (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Cave Singers' Invitation Songs (should be 3)
- 2 votes for Behold...the Arctopus!
- 2 votes for Hammer of the Honky-Tonk Gods
- 2 votes for Bone Thugs N Harmony
- 2 votes for Cam'ron
- 2 votes for Chamillionaire (one misspelled "Chamillioaire")
- 2 votes for Dethklok
- 2 votes for DJ Jazzy Jeff
- 2 votes for Great Lake Swimmers (one as "Great Lakes Swimmers")
- 2 votes for Group Inerane (one as "Group Inare")
- 2 votes for Walk Hard
- 2 votes for Moby Grape
- 2 votes for MV and EE with the Golden Road
- 2 votes for Peter Case
- 2 votes for Sigur Ros
- 2 votes for Spiritualaires of Hurtsboro, Alabama
- 2 votes for Tego Calderon
- 2 votes for People Take Warning!
- 3 votes for Vampire Weekend
- 2 votes for Weakerthans
- 2 votes for Eccentric Soul: Twinight's Lunar Rotation
- 1 vote for "Orchestration of Wolves" by Gallows, which I think is supposed to either be "Orchestra of Wolves" by Gallows or "Orchestration of Wolves" by Glos.

Obviously I was only checking albums, not singles.

-- glenn mcdonald

New Christgau Consumer Guide From MSN Music

^minds blown by an old crustacean's music list, gabbneb feels safe in owning daft punk album now that his boy bob gave it some nebulous props.

i am generator hear me text

Faust Arp is probably my favourite track now, although it was Weird Fishes for ages

― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 6 March 2015 13:25 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nude makes this album. Everything else hangs around it.

― Unheimlich Manouevre (dog latin), Friday, 6 March 2015 14:16 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rubbish, boring album, maybe their most boring album

― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Friday, 6 March 2015 14:29 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

skilfully eliding the next post

Kyuss pales in comparison to a lot of the bands listed here. Finding a groove, turning up to 11 then moving on to listen to rush Limbaugh or Sean hannity or whatever the fuck that idiot is into is not my idea of a great band.

― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:38 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Poliopolice
Posted: 9 April 2015 03:13:07
"Under My Thumb" by the Rolling Stones is pretty misogynistic.

Do you have eclectic taste in music?

i can only imagine

yeah, no one is making lists or arguing about ratings

lists of eclectic formats

old music vs new music was a tedious, played out discussion even for 2007 ilm, thank god it's been parlayed into a debate about formats

lol i am a little embarrassed to have participated but what else are you gonna do when you are procrastinating at work

between that and the uncut list thread it has been pretty dire since the year-end critics shit ended

Possibly I'm just grumpy

I'm not actually one of those people who dislikes ilm although I rarely post there but yeah it's been particularly groundhogdaysuicide.gif lately (don't forget the eclectic thread)

yes, the year-end critics thread was highly enlightening

really hate the british list threads that devolve into amateur sociology. sorry brits.

there was supposed to be a comma there. sorry, brits

If I had access to a time machine, I'd go back to 1994 all and play 'em something like, I dunno, the recent Bloc Party record or The 1975 or a recent Coldplay record and be all like: "This is what is going to happen to music", and the people of 1994 would be like "FUCK! FUCK! NO! We must do what we can to ensure this NEVER happens!"

― The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:27 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"I hate those fucking trumpets blasting like they are about to explode. Norteño music is garbage."

I've heard half of those Norman Records list... some of them are really good and glad they're giving deserved attention to some ignored records but there's also some boring ones in there. At any rate these sort of 'non-zeigeist' lists are always better than the consensus ones. Yeah we all love Lemonade but I prefer finding out about records I might have overlooked instead of the ones we've talked about all year.

― No longer active (Moka), Thursday, December 1, 2016 4:29 PM (fifty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my All Music Guide album picks are

#1.Human Interest - great
http://grooveshark.com/s/Human+Interest/8WdTY?src=5

#2.Hand Over Fist - good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eEb0SC6R0M

#3.Luau - o.k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcxxh1yewhM

the rest of the album is a dud for me.

― TabForaCause.com, Sunday, May 4, 2014 7:34 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(re: yank crime)

"It's Nice to Have a Friend" is the most interesting track, IMO. How would you describe that musical setting? It's evoking or imitating, what, a certain style of Chinese music?

― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Friday, 23 August 2019 22:20 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

lol is it in pentatonic scale?

Certainly that is what one would assume