The ILC Favourite Characters Of All Time

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#56. Guy Gardner - Giffen/DeMatteis Version (JLI)

http://galileo.spaceports.com/~xsufiru/images/Covers/jlia028.jpg

In the sitcom set-up of the JLI, Guy Gardner's role was clear: the dick. The asshole. The bad guy. The one you love to hate. He fulfilled this role very well, but he wouldn't have made this poll just for that - Giffen and DeMatteis kept the character fresh and made him far more appealing by introducing the 'lobotomised' happy-happy Gardner and then by giving him an unlikely relationship with Ice. That was when the character really got going: the situation of a sleazy guy trying to get into the pants of a nice girl is familiar from comedies, but not from superhero comics. It provided a lot of the funniest JLI issues, but it's also a good example of how that comic could expand the emotional range of spandex books without making a big fuss about it.

After the glory years Guy slipped back into being a knob, and then being a macho knob played for applause rather than chuckles, and then an embarassing stint as a living weapon and barkeep. Now a shadow of his former self, he props up the cast of the new Green Lantern book.

Greatest Moment: The covers of JLI #18 and #19 (which I didn't find, sorry Huk!)

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

And some of them are clearly pirates too! (The two on the right).

Roy Races Finest Moment was surely winning the European Cup as Manager, CHairman and his son captaining the team, AND THEN coming on to score the winning goal when his son was brutally taken out of the game by the evil Italian team.

And then doing something similar three years later. And being relegated to the conference in the meantime due to an arcane FA rule

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/guygardner18/JLI18.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/guygardner18/JLI19.jpg
Always trust a website called JLI covers for all your JLI cover getting needs.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

#55. Spider-Man - Dan Slott Version

http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/SPMTOR001_COV.jpg

As Pete put it in his comments, "a fun version". The essence of Spidey's character is that he's a nice, funny, kind of dorky guy - what defines him isn't the angst, it's how he copes with it. Dan Slott prefers the Spider-Man who slaps his forehead and says "Oh BRO-therr" to the one who clenches his fists and howls at the rain-soaked world. That said...

Greatest Moment: Slott [in SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH] sums up the tragic core of Spidey in five words. Torch says that Spidey should take a holiday. Spidey replies: "No. I can't stop. Ever." (Al)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the humang torch's asbestos pants. If they were a character in themselves, I would have voted for them.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't vote for the DSSM, but I nominated him. I kinda decided that since I haven't really read any other Spider-Man comics in 20 years, I maybe didn't have the most informed opinion. But to me, the Dan Slot Spidey was basically the same guy from the 60s cartoon. Sassy, friendly (like a neighbourhood), and yeah, dorky. I can identify with that.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Will there be scores for the later results, so we can see grown men (and women) lamenting that their votes could have given Wulf Sternhammer the crucial edge against Darkseid?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, scores from #50 up, we're still in the sort of prequel stage now but I knew I had to get Roy Race in there.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I should mention that I missed #2 when selecting my greatest moment.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a good picture of the next one on my home PC but there was a power cut last night, hence the delay. One must get these things just so, eh?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I will also offer my services, such as they are, for the purpose of providing blurbs on suckers for whom I voted.

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 26 August 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Can we have more, please?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 29 August 2005 08:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes! (Only one more, sorry, I left the spreadsheet at work)

#54. Acid Archie (Zenith)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pictures/wedge/uploaded_images/archie-744495.jpg

Grant Morrison's Zenith Book 3, published in 1990 in 2000AD re-introduced and revived a vast number of old UK comics heroes (many of whom are getting more boring treatment in Albion right now). One of them was Robot Archie, who had fought crime in the 60s. Robot Archie, like the original Iron Man, had a particularly clunky, yet appealing design, very much a pulp idea of what a robot would look like. Morrison kept the look intact for Zenith but painted a smiley face on and renamed him Acid Archie, creating a raving robotic hero who fit 100% with the times and would stick in the memory of all 2000AD readers way beyond any actual contributions he made to the storyline.

Greatest Moment: There in the picture you can see that he's tamed a war dinosaur and painted a big flower on it. But his finest moment is his introduction. Pop star superhero Zenith is arguing with his agent, hears a knock at the door, opens it and there, out of nowhere, is a giant robot with a smiley on its head who barges into his flat shouting "SPEED SPEED ECSTASY". The 90s had arrived.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 29 August 2005 09:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Lovely to see that the dinosaur picture counted as a cliffhanger.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 29 August 2005 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link

that's a very fierce looking dinosaur.

I like original Robot Archie as well, and probably would not be so fond of Acid Archie were it not for original Robot Archie.

I like the fact that Robot Archie has "Robot" in his name, as an aid to the hard of thinking.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 29 August 2005 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link

it is homeric

mark s (mark s), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Please, sir, can I have another?

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

#53. Manhog (Frank, Jim)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pictures/wedge/uploaded_images/bigfrankhog-748154.jpg

In Jim Woodring's curious dream-universe the bestial Manhog seems to represent our most venal, pitiful, greedy and stupid instincts. He is repulsive, but also often a victim, and not entirely without sympathy. The pained, desperate expressions on Manhog's face as he fails each time to understand or cope with his situation are some of Woodring's most powerful images.

Greatest Moment: Over to you!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 1 September 2005 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

#52. Mo (Dykes To Watch Out For)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pictures/wedge/uploaded_images/mo-701968.jpg

To be frank, I'm not sure why of all the Dykes to Watch Out For characters I chose to nominate Mo; in a comic filled with colourful characters she's probably the least colourful. She's as stereotypical as a lesbian (in a lesbian-themed comic) can be: an angry feminist, left-wing, masculine-looking, a vegetarian, has cats. But one shouldn't always scare away from sterotypes, since many lesbians really are like that. It's up to the other characters to fill the spectrum, and, like Tintin in Tintin, she's the centre that holds the spectrum together. Unlike Tintin though, she isn't an empty signifier - we can relate to her, and maybe that's exactly because of her plainness. (Tuomas)

Greatest Moment: Over to you!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 1 September 2005 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, Manhog! The reason I nominated him over Frank in the first place was his placement right on the brink of victim and villain. He's pretty much a bottomless pit of want, and has an equally limitless capacity for sufferring. I first encountered Manhog in the first Jim Woodring comic I ever saw: "Manhog Beyond the Face" where a self-inflicted blow to the head causes terrible hallucinations and tragic misunderstandings. Very atypically for a Woodring strip, it includes narration along with the pantomime, an experiment in formal qualities which is put to brilliant use in the hugely disturbing 'little chrome leg' sequence. Which, in turn is Manhog's greatest, or at least most memorable for me, moment.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 1 September 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Manhog Beyond the Face; the sequence I'm talking about happens on pages 5, 6 & 7.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 1 September 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Mo's stereotypical lesbianism is her biggest flaw, or at least it is in some of the strips -- she seems to often be movivated by a sense of "what is expected" of her. She is a lesbian, lesbians have crop cut hair, therefore she will have crop cut hair.

I can't think of any good examples of where this has completely backfired for her, since it's been a while since I've read the strip. But this is a common theme among gays and lesbians (who often go through a period of "well I'm gay so I'd better buy some Madonna CDs!" which sometimes NEVER ENDS ARGGH) and of course among the non-gays and -lesbians out there too.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 2 September 2005 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i think the best parts of mo, are when she falls in love, and she doesnt exactly know how to, her complicated, avoiding of heterosexist norming with sdyney is the best example a

anthony, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

MORE

Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:31 (eighteen years ago) link

#50. Spider Jerusalem (Transmetropolitan)

(49 points)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pictures/wedge/uploaded_images/spiderj-758228.jpg

[No blurb or greatest moment for him - if someone wants to send me a blurb I will cut and paste it in this space]

Tom (Groke), Monday, 5 September 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Greatest moment: anything involving the Bowel Disrupter.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Monday, 5 September 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Surprised that ol' Spider made it in! I liked "Transmetropolitan", but Jerusalem seemed to much of a gonzo Hunter S. cliché to qualify as a "great character" imo. He had plenty of great hijinks tho!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

He had no votes at all until about halfway through.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

TS: spider jerusalem vs uncle duke

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 5 September 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

*cough*

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 11 September 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

#49 Optimus Prime (Transformers)

(53 points)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pictures/wedge/uploaded_images/optimus-743096.jpg

Greatest Moment: His death in the Transformers movie, obviously. I was five years old, and I think I started freaking out and crying. (Laura)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

#48. Flex Mentallo (Doom Patrol/Flex Mentallo)

(53 points)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pictures/wedge/uploaded_images/flex-748988.jpg

Imaginary friends is a constant Grant Morrison trope, because after all that's what comics characters used to be for a lot of kids. Flex Mentallo, in Doom Patrol and particularly in his own series, is Morrison's most involved working-through of this idea, acting almost as the imaginary friend of superhero comics themselves. Flex, slightly dim, often baffled, always heroic, is as much symbol as character but is no less memorable for that. Also he has one of the greatest origin issues in comics!

Greatest Moment: Flex turns the Pentagon into a circle. (Vic Fluro)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

You have to love that thigh stubble.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and I forgot to mention - tied points are being decided by the highest placing each character got (so Flex Mentallo got a 2nd place from someone, beating Optimus Prime who got a 5th or 6th)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

..........

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 22 September 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

God has it really been a week? I'll see if I can sneak one in before I leave work.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 22 September 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

#47. Marv (Sin City)

(56 points)

http://homepage.mac.com/merussell/iblog/B835531044/C31175526/E1653270529/Media/Marv1.gif

He's the heart and soul in the Sin City universe -- every other protagonist has been an unimaginative and tired genre exercise. Balancing his invigorating self-unawareness with intimate familiarity with the seamy underworld and his ultimate fate, and with dialogue that Frank Miller hasn't topped since... (Leee)

Greatest Moment: I want to say the panel where he kicks in the windshield of the police car, but that's mostly because I love its art. Instead, I'll go with Marv shooting at the statue of Roarke and then laughing like the loveable psycopathic lunatic that he is. (Leee)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 22 September 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

#46. Darkseid (New Gods etc.)

(56 points)

Darkseid is the nuclear bomb of the DC Universe. He's Mutually Assured Destruction. He's powerful enough that he could take down every hero who's ever been a member of the JLA with one Omega Beam behind his back, but he's such a cocky bastard that he never quite does. While his life's work, the Anti-Life Equation, is essentially the End of All Things, he's not necessarily a bad guy. (Huk)

Greatest Moment:
http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pictures/wedge/uploaded_images/darkseid-794253.jpg

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 25 September 2005 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Is Darkseid supposed to be reading Mein Kampf in that pic? If so, why is it spelled Mein Kamph?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 25 September 2005 10:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Why is it spelled Darkseid?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Why is Obercon covered in brown ooze?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 25 September 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Oberon has just crawled through a sewer.

That's how they spell "struggle" in Apokoliptian, and he's reading his own book.

kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 25 September 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Mein Oomph

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Update!

steviespitfire, Thursday, 29 September 2005 08:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't fret, we'll be done by 2007.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Thursday, 29 September 2005 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the Roy of the Rovers cover is pretty scary... Hairstyle aside, everyone in it has exactly the same face and the same evil eyes. It looks kinda like the Come to Daddy cover. Is Roy leading a team of clones?

Not at all.
Left to right they are Noel Baxter (team joker), Jimmy ???(the kid), Blackie Gray (Roy's best friend), Charlie 'The Cat' Carter (goalkeeper), Roy Race, Lofty Peak (hard man), Mervyn Wallace (inconsistent genius), and Duncan MacKay (the Scot).

Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 29 September 2005 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

So, about this, then...

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I want my...
I want my...
I want my ILC (Favourite Characters of All Time Poll Results)!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I should have submitted my late Wulf Sternhammer vote. These results are coming out as slow as der cucumber.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost,
That's like saying you prefer Harvey to James Stewart, or Ida Know to Jeffy!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm trying to have a good time here! You think Batman knows how to party?

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

coughBATUSIcough

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"BATUS"?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a theory that Batman has NO TASTE at all. Like not just BAD TASTE, but no taste. Because he's so wholly devoted himself to crimefightery, he's completely sublimated art/music/whatever appreciation. SURE he understands stuff on an intellectual level, and can WEAR taste when he needs to (especially as Bruce Wayne), but it's mere posturing, because as long as there's kids being orphaned in the streets of Gotham, Batman won't dance.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

that's Batman of the post-Miller era, btw

xxpost, have you never seen Adam West, Tuomas?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm, yeah, I like that notion. One of Alfred's main functions is to pick his clothes out for him and buy the artwork for Stately Wayne Manor.

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

That would explain him at a Roy Lichtenstein retrospective, anyway.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Hrm. Cubism.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I'd like to publically apologise for killing ILX dead as Superman by finishing this.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

THE FOOLS WOULDN'T LISTEN.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

bump in case anyone wanted to know the winners

chaki, Friday, 24 August 2007 04:56 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://www.empireonline.com/50greatestcomiccharacters/default.asp?c=50

chap, Thursday, 10 July 2008 12:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Rather boring list. Japan is represented by one character, Europe (outside 2000AD) by two. And who the hell puts two characters from Preacher on a top 50 list, and neither of them is Cassidy?! Jesse Custer was like the most boring character in the whole comic, the Tintin of his own book.

Tuomas, Thursday, 10 July 2008 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Actually, Jesse and Cassidy are pretty much like Tintin and Haddock, right?

Tuomas, Thursday, 10 July 2008 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP Mona Lisa Ludatits ;_;

HI DERE, Thursday, 10 July 2008 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link

The really striking thing about the list is its complete avoidance of kids' characters (obviously, yes, a lot of the ones featured weren't meant for adults originally).

Groke, Thursday, 10 July 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm not clicking 50 times to read that whole list.

Oilyrags, Thursday, 10 July 2008 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.dulcepinzon.com/en_projects_superhero.htm#

Superhero day jobs.

Oilyrags, Thursday, 10 July 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Actually, Jesse and Cassidy are pretty much like Tintin and Haddock, right?

t-bomb from Tuomas!

energy flash gordon, Thursday, 10 July 2008 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

no idea this happened, due for a refresh during covid imo

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

Spiderman
The Creeper
Mysterio
The Lizard
Green Goblin
Madcap
Ghost Rider
Eternity
Dormammu
Clea
Dr Haunt
Winnie The Witch
Mr L. Dedd
Mr Bones
Impy
Uncle Creepy
Cousin Eerie
Crypt Keeper
Old Witch (sorry, no Vault Keeper)
Dr Death
Kenshiro
Shin
Rei
Devilman
Lady Death
Chicken George

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 5 July 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link

The Hulk

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 5 July 2020 13:25 (three years ago) link


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