explain going to a baseball game to someone from the UK

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it more amusing for me cos the only thing i've seen eat sunflower seeds before was my sisters hamster when i was 8! i've never seen or heard of anyone in the uk who chews tobacco. according to here
"But like cigarette tobacco, it also contains hundreds of different chemicals which are highly toxic to the body, including nicotine, formaldehyde (embalming fluid), polonium 210 (a radioactive chemical which is a type of nuclear waste) and many other cancer-causing chemicals (carcinogens)"

wow, chewing radioactive waste! gotta try some of that....

zappi (joni), Monday, 23 August 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

chewing "dip" was the cool thing at my high school. totally disgusting...

bnw (bnw), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

apart from looking cool, chewing tobacco is supposed to help keep your mouth from getting all dry on the baking, dusty ballfields of the minor leagues. remember, though: if you're gonna chew, do it right. skoal bandits (which came in little pouches) are for pussies.

the sunflower seed thing i never got at all--why would you want something so salty when it's just going to make you thirsty?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

someone please tell Terry Francona that it looks like he has a big piece of shit in his mouth.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

CHEWING dip??

anybody remember "plug" tobacco? sometimes called "snuff," bizarrely

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

and hey, get the kids into it!

http://www.jimbouton.com/i/chew_org.jpg

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

created by jim bouton, former yankees/seattle pilots pitcher/author of ball four

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

do they still make that stuff? it was great!

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Big League Chew grape is the best gum ever. I could never resist the urge to stuff all of it in my mouth at once, it tasted so good.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

otfm!!! it had that slighty sour tinge that kept you wanting more. i'm pretty sure that was intentional. you'd stuff a wad into your mouth, chew it for 30 seconds until the flavor ran out, then either spit it out and stick in another one or keep shovelling in hunks of shreds until you really did have the entire bag in your mouth. good times.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i always thought the guy on the front was joe torre

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

big league chew was awesome. Although trying to do sunflower seeds and the chew at the same time was a bad idea. is 'chewing dip' not the proper term? Was it 'dipping'? I just remember the dudes with the white baseball hats and lots of bass in their jeeps liked to do it.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know if you meant bass as in the tone or the fish, but it works either way.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, you take a dip of dip and you chew chew, y'know? Dip is the real small finely shredded flakes like skoal and what-not; like the commercial says, you "just put a pinch between your cheek and gum" and you kind of let it marinate in there for a while. Chew is the big-ass leafy stuff like Redman -- what that Big League Chew gum was imitating - that you actually grind with your teeth.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

CHAW

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I never realized they were two different things. Actually chewing that stuff is even worse.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

god help me I'm not 100% sure I understand a double switch /alfan

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link

specifically wrt the timing of the events involved with the switch

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link

event 1) remove pitcher and position player from the game;

event 2) replace pitcher and position player

event 3 ????????

event 4) batting order results in position player batting in pitcher's spot and visa versa.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link

you just replace the pitcher with the position player and vice-versa. so when the pitcher's spot comes up, the position player is actually there.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I get that but it's not a satisfying answer for me, i guess. is it just as simple as calling a P a 2B and a 2B a P? i.e. a semantic manuver?

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

i think maybe try taking the positions out of it? you are free to substitute any guy for any other guy, and because it's the nl, you are free to let anyone play any position. so.......

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link

btw i'm an al fan too just trying to work through this for both of our benefits

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link

>i think maybe try taking the positions out of it?

I don't think that's my issue. i can't figure out where in the timeline of events that lead to the players ending up in the advantageous BO slots.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

ACCEPTED EVENT: event 1) remove pitcher and position player from the game;

ACCEPTED EVENT: event 2) replace pitcher and position player

event 3 ????????

ACCEPTED OUTCOME: event 4) batting order results in position player batting in pitcher's spot and visa versa.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I took my Afrogermanic neighbor to a game last year and it was probably the hardest (explaining stuff) I had to think since my SAT.

Tito Linndrum (Andy K), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

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Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

like, everything makes sense independent of the whole

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I get that but it's not a satisfying answer for me, i guess. is it just as simple as calling a P a 2B and a 2B a P? i.e. a semantic manuver?

what's semantic about it? aren't the replacements in the lineup? (i.e. couldn't any player conceivably play any position?)

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

the two substitutions don't technically happen simultaneously. so you can first take out the pitcher and put the position player in his spot, and then take out the other position player and put in the pitcher. it may happen at the same time on the lineup card, but that doesn't matter until either a) the NEW pitcher's spot comes up because the inning continues or b) the inning ends and someone needs to pitch the next inning.

all that's relevant initially is that you are batting a position player for a pitcher. what the double switch is really doing is allowing him to stay in the game after his AB.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

its mostly an NL thing.

+ if it happens in the upper half of the lineup (in a 9 inning game) it's usually due to injury or an older player needing rest (often during a blowout).

+ if it happens in the bottom half of the lineup it's usually to take advantage of poor batter or to insert a defensive replacement.

so say your light hitting SS (say, 2009 jose reyes off the roids lol) is batting 8th and made the last offensive out and your pitcher has tossed 7 innings and is due up in the next inning. after the batter makes the out, the manager would indicate a double switch taking reyes out of the 8th spot and inserting a pitcher in that spot instead (then up 9th in the current batter order = less chance of getting an at bat by end of game). then in the 9th spot, you'd insert the switch, usually the next best offensive player and either move him in at SS or shuffle the defense around to accomodate him.

does this make sense? cuz i could go on but i'm not sure how much sense this is making...

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

yah it makes total sense - you're rejigging the line-up to put as much distance btw your pitcher and having to bat as possible

(Palm) springs sprungs (Lamp), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

the two substitutions don't technically happen simultaneously. so you can first take out the pitcher and put the position player in his spot, and then take out the other position player and put in the pitcher. it may happen at the same time on the lineup card, but that doesn't matter until either a) the NEW pitcher's spot comes up because the inning continues or b) the inning ends and someone needs to pitch the next inning.

^^^^ this is basically what I was looking for

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

so, yes, it is all effectively instantaneous, but that's the order I was looking for.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

order of operations cf. maths.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

https://i.redd.it/1zu5qfagdlh71.jpg

incredible comeback as the herts falcons improved to 1-23 on the season. they've been outscored 351-98

mookieproof, Monday, 16 August 2021 00:59 (two years ago) link

Can we have that in English please?

Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Monday, 16 August 2021 07:40 (two years ago) link

lmaooo

Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 August 2021 07:51 (two years ago) link

i know some of those guys

Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 August 2021 07:51 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

A Dead Armed Pitcher is Not Yet a Man


The path of a pitched baseball
can be curv or sl
ing urv
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t
narrow or a
l
l
cutt n
ing or k u arc's
ckl the f
ing bends a
the wind l
l
sli
ding or drop
p
ing
like a sick stomach
having just reached the top
of a rollercoaster ride that screams like a rocket
until the bottom falls out of it and comes to the most sudden
stop

Instead of throwing the ball like any of that
I throw it right down the middle
as hard as I can
My ass is handed to me in front of an audience

I grunt when I throw because they asked me to
because if I don’t they’ll ask why I didn’t
because they thought it would add a couple miles per hour
to my cartoonishly slow and extremely hittable deliveries
The other kid grunts back as he slaps a loud smack
The crowd roars because our team is away and they are safe at home
We’re 13 years old, I sucked
I got roughed up on the usual
but our team had no reliable bullpen
so they left me in to soak up the remaining innings
until the 10-run rule arrived, the rule of mercy

Karl Malone, Sunday, 9 January 2022 18:59 (two years ago) link

x-posting here because it's for baseball nerds

Karl Malone, Sunday, 9 January 2022 18:59 (two years ago) link

and also to help explain baseball to only people in the UK

Karl Malone, Sunday, 9 January 2022 19:01 (two years ago) link


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