House of Love: unjustly neglected?

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they played live together in june, after that not sure...

http://www.infinitemonkeys.co.uk/agno3/terry_and_guy/terry_and_guy%20-%2012.jpg

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

Great pic, Spencer! Splendid venue too, kinda like I'd imagine Samuel Pepys's favourite indie venue to be.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

nb - I didn't take it!

here are more: http://www.infinitemonkeys.co.uk/agno3/terry_and_guy/01.html

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
I am listening to old HoL Peel sessions, from c.1988, maybe even 1987, on a tape.

I have never heard them before: this old 'Destroy the Heart'; the tremendous riff that starts 'Nothing To Me'; and now 'Plastic'.

the bellefox, Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

That Peel session was great. There was another one with acoustic stuff on it, which was crap.

Don't you just hate it when a band decides 'do an acoustic session'? I can't stand it, it's as if they're trying to prove they're real musicians. It sounded shit. Electric instruments are the business.

Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I'd prefer it if an acoustic band went electric, like the Flying Pickets with Vocoders.

Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I played live with them once. Their thing, live, was dynamics. They did that quiet-loud intensity thing that Nirvana later took to the bank. Chadwick put out an extremely dismal solo record on Setanta in about 1997. Very glum and acoustic and old-sounding.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Their thing, live, was dynamics

Never had a chance to see HoL with Bickers, at least back then. Whether the reunited band can fully do the business on that front is another question.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw them live supporting Felt at ULU early on - they still had the German girl on guitar. They were fantastic - as Momus says great dynamics and some startling guitar from Terry B. For me the recds were really rubbish tho and didn't get anywhere near the live experience. The odd track was good - Plastic, Real Animal, Shine On (orig version), but the whole thing just sort of trailed away into uselessness post-Creation. They became awful really quickly.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Doc, the ... Butterfly LP is a masterpiece.

the bellefox, Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to agree -- though Cavanagh's account made plain just how much of an insane Frankenstein's monster of an album it was, patched together like nobody's business.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the post-Creation records were good, they trailed out of fashion pretty quickly, with them being the days when it was cool to be on an indie label and if you left one you were selling out.

Then the Stone Roses made it cool to get off an indie label and if you were on one you were an indie "saddo". (Not "on one" in that sense).

I remember seeing Chadders on Rapido arguing about this, and he made a sensible case; trouble was, he did it in the style of Prince Charles.

Babe Rainbow is a great record, which despite getting I think record of the month in Select was straight to bargain bin territory. The record after that, can't remember when it came out but it was the same day as the first Verve LP was total rubbish; the best track on it having been one of the B-sides from one of the previous record's singles.

Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I've heard the butterfly album plenty of times - I think it's terrible. 'The Beatles and The Stones' is desperately bad, for example. 'I Don't Know why I Love You' - ugh. It was really thin sounding too.


Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, good for one album (the creation one) and the early singles really. Wasn't he always getting his kit off whilst taking E and dancing like a teacher? All a bit naff really. They were a classic example of an 'indie' band being blanded out once signed to a major. It happened to The Weather Prophets too.

I remember they sounded (and looked?) strangely obselete when that The Stone Roses album started getting big.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with Dr.C and Keith. The Butterfly album is rubadub.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

One of those bands that have a lifespan, but just don't know when they've died. I saw them in 1988 and they were magnificent. Bickers' guitar playing could just draw you in. The next year it was all over. I saw them twice and hated them both times. I don't know why I love you, your face is like a foreign food, indeed.

Canada Briggs (Canada Briggs), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Funny with this thread bouncing around with the one about Suede's "Nude". Lots of poeple at the time referred to butterfly album as The House of Love's "Fontana".

Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe not unfairly neglected, but the highs ("Love in a Car", "Destroy the Heart") are stratospheric. For those 2 songs alone, they deserve to be more widely known.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't even 'Babe Rainbow' officially untitled, Keith? It's just got the words someone in the cover art?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick, yeah right you are...

Actually the sleeve says it's reproduced with kind permission of Peter Blake and PETE TOWNSHEND.

I should know, being a massive W!H!O! fan.

Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

For those 2 songs alone, they deserve to be more widely known

and "Marble"

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Thursday, 10 June 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

A Spy in the House of Love has some staggeringly awesome moments, the highest of which is probably "Safe" -- what a great freaking song!

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

wasn't 'safe' meant to be the single that 'never' ended up being? or am i confused?

the surface noise is so overwhelming that it renders the contents of the re (ele, Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

you are correct

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

also, that Guy Chadwick solo album had one really good song - "This Strength".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "beatles and the stones!" I still have the butterfly album. But I admit it does sound very dated in ways that the debut doesn't.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I quite liked most of the stuff on the Chadwick solo album. It was a shedload better than the previous House of Love album.

Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i always hated that line "your face is a foreign food". Apart from that i know nothing.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

'christine' is still mighty to these ears

the surface noise is so overwhelming that it renders the contents of the re (ele, Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

How was Guy's previous band, Kingdom or The Kingdoms or some name like that? I've seen their single for sale a few times.

svend (svend), Friday, 11 June 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I only have the Butterfly album and Babe Rainbow (never seen the proper first album anywhere. Did it even come out on CD?). I think both mix some awesome moments with cringeworthy ones (mainly in the lyrics department) - in fact they're an odd band in that they can go from awesome to cringeworthy in just a few seconds. Like, the song on Babe Rainbow with the chorus that goes "I'm going high, I'm going higher, I'm going higher than life..." - I kinda dislike that chorus for its anthemic naffness, but then it suddenly goes dark and gloomy at the end of the chorus when Guy wails "...when I grow cold!" and the post-punk guitar rings out in the background and suddenly it's magical.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 11 June 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

there was a CD version of the debut released on Relativity (i think) which i have.
i think there's also a cd version of the rough trade compilation of the first couple of releases too, but i haven't seen it.
'Feel' off Babe Rainbow I used to love. Maybe I still do. It featured in a great compilation tape segue I once made. I can't remember with what though.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 June 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah "Feel" is great. I also love their half-hearted attempts to belatedly come to grips with baggy, pretty much all frontloaded at the start of the record.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 11 June 2004 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Tim, there's a UK collection of all their Creation stuff (the whole first album, the 'Destroy the Heart' single and b-sides) on one disc which you NEED.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 June 2004 03:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Wot Spencer said. It is urgent and key. Here's an amazon.co.uk listing for it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 June 2004 04:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd forgotten all about that release!
And to say further, it's the self-titled first album, the singles before the album which appeared on the German compilation also called The House of Love -- it made collecting all this stuff back in 1990 a bit of a chore -- and "Destroy the Heart" and B-sides, as indicated.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 June 2004 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I love In A Room for these lines:

When I'm drunk in a room
That's when I think of you
Oh my baby, she went AWOL
Drove to a shop, never to return
And it broke me, like a flower

His delivery cracks me up every time, and then the guitar parts are fabulous. Also great for driving because he keeps shouting "and i can't! slow down! no i can't!"

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 11 June 2004 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw the video for Christine on 120 minutes when it was new. I taped it. I then taped it onto a video mix I made. I still have it. somewhere. Beautiful song. Beautiful video. The video was kinda like the Swans Love Will Tear Us Apart video. kinda.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 11 June 2004 05:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow. That Creation comp is all you need, innit?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 11 June 2004 07:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Does it have the excellent 'Safe' on it? They wanted it as first major label single but the record company made them put out the stadiumesque rubbish that was 'Never' instead.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 June 2004 08:11 (nineteen years ago) link

'safe' was actually recorded for fontana. it's on "spy in the house of love"..
Safe was actually recorded while they were still on Creation tho'. It was going to be the last single for Creation before they signed to a major. It was the B side of the 12 inch of 'Never' and as you say on that compilation.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 June 2004 08:23 (nineteen years ago) link

true but i don't think creation held the rights unfortunately..
I thought "The Girl With The Loneliest Eyes" was an absolutely gobsmacking single at the time - all those bruised, abstracted strings like they'd tried to channel Jimmy Webb and these magnetic disturbances was all they could summon. Also memorable for its appearance, low down but covered in unexpected glory, on a vintage Reynolds MM singles page.

"Destroy The Heart" remains some kind of anaerobic peak - a high-altitude sprint through a sparkler factory. I love the way Chadwick shadows his vocal with a lower-register double.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 11 June 2004 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

> I saw the video for Christine on 120 minutes when it was new.
> Beautiful song. Beautiful video.

both the 'christine' and 'destroy the heart' videos are wonderful in their simplicity. one is just a slow 360' pan around the studio as the band play. they open and close the first of those creation videos. http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=285903

koogs (koogs), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Jones is on the moony. The Rooney. The money.

N.'s disdain for the butterfly is just unfathomable.

I like reading the lyrics of 'In A Room', above: reminding me what a tremendous, little-known track that is.

the bellefox, Friday, 11 June 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

No one likes the sodding Butterfly - why pick on me?

I was going to mention how much I loved 'The Girl With The Loneliest Eyes' but I'm not sure I do anymore. The title is just too meh for me now.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Also touring in the US again, might have to catch them once more after, what, thirty plus years...

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 April 2022 20:37 (two years ago) link

All new lineup for the tour though (no Terry Bickers)

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 9 April 2022 23:30 (two years ago) link

Most unjustly neglected song by this unjustly neglected band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpcY9QyEi10

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 10 April 2022 04:11 (two years ago) link

xpost Pity. Guess that'll never happen for me!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 April 2022 15:11 (two years ago) link

"Guy Chambers"?

PaulTMA, Monday, 11 April 2022 01:39 (two years ago) link

Guy-Guy Chadwick-Chambers-Featherstonehaugh

Ned Raggett, Monday, 11 April 2022 02:07 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

I'm still making my way through Burn Down The World - the live tracks aren't doing much for me, but the new master of the Butterfly album and Babe Rainbow justify pulling the trigger. Current generation a/d converters are so much better now and whoever at Cherry Red managed this made sure to do it right.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 20:00 (one year ago) link

When it works on their end they do top class work. The rarities alone on this one.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 20:01 (one year ago) link

My 16 year old son plays bass and recently took part in a local thing for young bands where they all got to perform three songs each in front of a crowd at a proper venue. They all did a rehearsal the week before and when I asked him how it went, he said some older guy asked him if his bass needed tuning, and he did that typical teenager 'i dunno' shrug so the guy just grabbed it off him and tuned it up anyway.

When we went to the gig, my son pointed to a guy sat at the side of the stage who was being kind of a guitar tech/accompanist, and said that's the guy who tuned my bass. and I looked at this man who was probably 5 or 6 years older than me, just sat there looking really calm and gentle and just enjoying helping out all these young bands, and he looked naggingly familiar like I'd seen his face a hundred times before, but I just couldn't place him at all. Well, not until the organiser walked up to the stage to get his attention and shouted 'hey terry!'

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 20:52 (one year ago) link

Wow! Amazing story.

I'll check out the remasters, but the Butterly CD I have (and the streaming versions) sound pretty amazing already - the album has always shimmered.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 21:03 (one year ago) link

Babe Rainbow is the one for me… they’re not issuing these individually tho, right?

brimstead, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 21:13 (one year ago) link

Pete Evans punched Bickers six times in the face, then announced he was leaving the House of Love.

They should have changed their name to House of Blows.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 21:16 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Anyone catch them in New York? I'm psyched for the show here Sunday.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 20:40 (one year ago) link

Also, sad news, just learned that Andrea Heukamp, original HoL rhythm guitarist/singer, recently died. I guess after she left the band she moved back to Germany and lived somewhat as a recluse, reportedly spending the last several years cleaning houses. She was found dead at 57. RIP.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 October 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link

jesus, that's sad news

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 23 October 2022 21:28 (one year ago) link

aw that sucks
rip

nxd, Sunday, 23 October 2022 22:01 (one year ago) link

Wow that is rotten.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 October 2022 00:22 (one year ago) link

Is there any particular article or source for that? I'd like to be able to share the news further.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 October 2022 00:23 (one year ago) link

This would be very sad. Andrea Heukamp had been contributing backing vocals to a band in Münster called Loving the Sun.

There was an obituary published in Münster earlier this month for a 57-year-old employee of the city called Andrea Heukamp, so that could well be her.

She sang vocals on what is probably my favourite House of Love track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lut2wm-qtdk

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Monday, 24 October 2022 01:53 (one year ago) link

I think I saw it on a Steve Hoffman forum thread, and it came by way of a post from someone claiming to be her cousin in a German Rolling Stone forum:

https://forum.rollingstone.de/foren/reply/11898217/

Google translate says:

Rest in peace Andrea Heukamp. (guitarist and background singer of The House Of Love and girlfriend of Chris Groothuisen)

Andrea is my cousin, lived in Munster after she left the band. She started with music in a shared apartment here in Münsterland, that's where she met Chris and they later went to London, founded House Of Love and recorded songs and played concerts. The music business and drugs bothered her, she became seriously ill and withdrew. In Münster she lived a secluded life and in recent years has made a living doing housekeeping jobs. My younger brother was in contact with my her right up to the end, he now arranges everything necessary with a friend/partner of Andrea's.
Andrea didn't get in touch last week as agreed, she was found lying dead in her room. A heart attack was probably the cause of death. Andrea was only 57 years old.

Take care up there, Andrea. It wasn't so nice for you down here. Bye.

So I guess there's a chance it's not accurate, but at the same time, no reason to believe it isn't, sadly.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2022 04:20 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

perhaps they are unjustly neglected in 2023. I splurged for the Fontana box and yes it sounds wonderful. I like the butterfly album a lot more now, except for “never”.

I don’t really know what to say about this music. I think their records sound fabulous and guy had a real unique sensitive middle aged guy voice. The guitar playing is exquisite and vividly colorful, lush like fresh fruit, the drums hit just right in that British anthemic way…

brimstead, Friday, 19 May 2023 20:08 (eleven months ago) link

“shine on” really is sheer perfection, whichever version

brimstead, Friday, 19 May 2023 20:08 (eleven months ago) link

unjustly neglected perfection!

Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 00:13 (ten months ago) link


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