Yeah i think that's the guy. He's good! Though Tony Williams kind of owns that set. Sounds like he's pretty determined to not let things get too maudlin, despite the occasion.
― tylerw, Monday, 16 July 2007 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link
i never listened to that VSOP album more than a few times, i should revisit but i remember it having some really great moments but on the whole being pretty boring and poorly recorded
― deej, Monday, 16 July 2007 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the VSOP stuff.
― Hurting 2, Monday, 16 July 2007 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Roney was also Miles' understudy at that Montreux Jazz Festival event where Davis and Quincy Jones ran through the orchestral material. He was there just in case Miles couldn't hack it, but his services were not required, as it turned out.
― unperson, Monday, 16 July 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Geri Allen's husband, as I recall. I've got an album with the two of them (and some other folks) doing originals in a SGQ style.
― Oilyrags, Monday, 16 July 2007 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Sorry, my mistake, it's Carlos McKinney playing piano on this record.
http://www.wallaceroney.net/disc/infoAlbum.php?albumid=18&releaseid=23
― Oilyrags, Monday, 16 July 2007 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I was just listening to that recent Wayne Shorter quartet with Danilo Perez, John Patatucci (sp?), and Brian Blade and thinking about how much the Miles quintet sound owed to Shorter's compositions.
― Hurting 2, Monday, 16 July 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Shorter is amazing yeah
― deej, Monday, 16 July 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Having finally heard the Complete Plugged Nickel I think I get it now.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 00:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Tony Williams on "Footprints" is breaking my head. The 4/4 samba (I think?) stuff against the 6/4 tune is @_@
― The Reverend, Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link
nice tune too
That would be a good song to do a "Hey Jazz D-Bags! Post a version or several of..." thread for.
― WmC, Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:58 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, that metric modulation shit on footprints is all-time. so influential too (like all the similar stuff that wynton did with his '80s band, just for one).
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Here is a discussion of "Footprints" that was linked to once before, but the images seem to be missing http://www.bassplayer.com/article/ron-carters-groove/aug-03/794
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:18 (fourteen years ago) link
ohhh 'footprints' is probably my favorite tune from this quintet. talk about the 'lightness of touch' mentioned upthread & also how carter's bass line totally underpins things.
i had these albums for a couple of years and like hoos i couldn't really discern what was going on. but one time 'footprints' just totally clicked for me, it really became my gateway into this period, and after that i started to really see the genius behind these albums. i think this is my favorite miles period tbh
― mark cl, Thursday, 23 April 2009 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
and 'miles smiles' prob my favorite album from this band, maybe my favorite miles ever
― mark cl, Thursday, 23 April 2009 13:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Sometimes I think that Tony Williams was sent from another planet.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 23 April 2009 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link
think i mentioned it on another Miles thread, but I've been knocked out by the recently released Monterey 1963 set (featuring the pre-Shorter band). Just an amazingly sweet performance -- and yeah, Williams sounds ridiculous. I mean, he was what 17 or 18 at that point -- and he OWNS that band. Must've had incredible confidence in his abilities. Or he just didn't know any better!
― tylerw, Thursday, 23 April 2009 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2010/oct/13/miles-davis-second-great-quintet
"Tony and I had got into the habit of playing all kinds of mixed rhythms ... so we started playing some of those rhythm things behind Miles too, things that were hard to predict, would sometimes swing and sometimes float. The first night we did it he stopped a lot in his solos, jerked around as if he was uncomfortable, not sure what to do, trying to find his way. Next day, he was more at ease, playing longer phrases, but still not into it. Then by the last set on the next day, he wasn't struggling with it any more at all. In fact he played so many unexpected things himself that it was me that was jerking around! In less than 24 hours Miles had not just grabbed the ball, but run beyond us with it."
― j., Saturday, 4 July 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
does anyone know exactly what is going on on the title track of "Nefertiti"? It sounds like Miles' horn line is either being double-tracked a bit behind the beat, or double-tracked with a delay, or (although it doesn't sound like this to me) being doubled a bit out of time by another horn, maybe the saxophone? Is this just Macero at work here? It's a great effect but I'm curious how it was done, since this pre-dates a lot of the more aggressive shit Macero did later.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 23:04 (eight years ago) link
it's just Miles and Wayne Shorter playing off each other. but yeah, around 5:25 in, they do a nice faux-echo effect sans any editing at all
― Dominique, Friday, 18 March 2016 23:10 (eight years ago) link
their tones are so close! it's uncanny
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 23:13 (eight years ago) link
I've been losing it over Water Babies this week, it's the only record of this era I hadn't heard. I think I thought it was another electric era live show bootleg that got repackaged, or something?
Anyway, it's so spacious and effortless and playful, and sounds amazing. It captures this moment when they moved away from swing, but it's still super rhythmic and interactive without a backbeat for the most part. The straight 8th approach makes it sound like it could have come out today, or maybe it's a Rosetta stone for a lot of contemporary groups.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 22:44 (three years ago) link
God I love it so much too. Always thought I was crazy for loving it so much! Just a perfect vibe.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 23:45 (three years ago) link
Wayne Shorter does a couple of those tunes on Super Nova too but they’re pretty different
― brimstead, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 23:46 (three years ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/artist/1109974-W-Process
― J. Sam, Thursday, 11 March 2021 03:25 (three years ago) link
W. Process is the secret sauce, he crushes it on that track
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 11 March 2021 04:31 (three years ago) link
Water babies has artwork by same guy who did On The Corner. Probably because it wasn't released for a few years after recording.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 11 March 2021 06:50 (three years ago) link
I’m a big fan of the “silently judging” lil dude in the ill fitting suit
― brimstead, Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:59 (three years ago) link
big fan of the artwork on this 80s reissue:
http://imgur.com/PuayoTw
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 12 March 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/PuayoTw.jpg
Miles is glowering at some kids playing in a fire hydrant spray just off camera.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 March 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link
haha so much (mostly) unintentional hilarity surrounding this album. I <3 JAZZ!
― J. Sam, Friday, 12 March 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link
e.s.p. is just the greatest goddamn album ever
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 May 2022 14:49 (one year ago) link
My son bought the big 20 Original Albums box and I've been gradually working my way through it chronologically. Some I have heard previously of course, but some are brand new listens for me. I'm just about to start on this period, beginning with E.S.P., so I'll use this thread as a reference.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Friday, 13 May 2022 15:41 (one year ago) link
There are many days where I think this is probably the greatest combination of five utterly god tier musicians to have ever played together
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 14 May 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link
Water Babies sounds amazing right now, thanks thread!
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 16 May 2022 07:54 (one year ago) link