Weezer -- Classic or Dud?

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Your e-mail address also indicates you like the Super Furry Animals, "Calimero" being the name of a godlike B-side of theirs. Ergo, we have two things to agree on. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Actually, I got Calimero from the european cartoon with the whiny little black duck. I had no idea that it was also an SFA song, until Kathleen of Pearls That Are His Eyes told me. I do like both songs I've heard from them though !

― Patrick, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

My only experience of Weezer was when my home connection was down and I found myself (it's a long story) in an internet cafe in Crewkerne which, for at least an hour non-stop, played the "Buddy Holly" video on repeat. Right behind where I was sitting. An enervating experience. Almost had me sounding like Vaughan Simons. Almost.

― Robin Carmody, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i've checked my course catalog and sadly no courses discussing 'emo theory'. i thought the early 90s were a wretched time for popular music, i was stuck in my car driving an hour to school each day and the alternateen station was filled with endless hours of very "serious" black sabbath wannabes causing me to tear my hair out until i finally, rejoice, installed a cassette player. kraco was my salvation. i guess i was just a bitter shoegazer.

― keith, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I have become convinced, through age and the passing of time, that Only In Dreams should have been our generation's great make out anthem: soft, bass heavy, self-conciously romantic lyrics and an orgasmic drum explosion at the six minute mark -- just about as long as you could last in those days. And we should have all danced to it at our junior high dance, and so every time we hear the song today we would think of the one that got away -- our first love, the girl down the road with braces and knocked knees and how we had no real idea of the feelings we were having for her, only that they were Real. The song should have been huge dammit. It's bigger than all of us.

― JM, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hmmm, how about Clud. I think about half of their songs are freakin' great, and half are very pedestrian. I dunno, I think they walk a VERY fine line with their sound/songwriting. Its very close to a lot of crap so if they don't hit dead on or stray from their path, they wind up sounding like shit. 'Pink Triangle' and 'Across the Sea' are freakin' great tunes. I also love the song 'Buddy Holly'. I can see how some people might find it annyong but I think its hilarious. Don't like that Sweater Song though.

― Tim Baier, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i have never liked "hits" and wonder why everyone talks about them so much. most music on the radio or mtv is shitty pop or rap.so. why? get the albums because most hits are just that on the record. hits. made for people to buy more copies and get more $ for members. i firmly believe in full album ranting and single hating. yeah.

― Kevin Enas, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Classic just because of the second half of Pinkerton. I can forgive all of the filler just because few albums can boast 3 consecutive songs as good as "The Good Life", "El Scorcho" and "Pink Triangle". Now, if they could stretch that obvious brilliance into 11 or 12 songs...

― Edward Okulicz, Sunday, 25 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one month passes...

I Think they are Classic as HELL! I love these guys! Music was written as a vehicle for expression & this just one side of the spectrum, & damn, do they do it so well! Those who don't enjoy it now might enjoy it later. FUCK IT if it's EMO or not. These Limeys with their dry wit sicken & despise me. Please stop being afraid of embarrasing yourselves & just be real for once in your sad depressing little nancy boy lives. I'm sure this comment will either get some more of their humorless dry wit as backlash but that's expected. "The Sun never sets on the British Empire", well the sun never sets ON MY ASSHOLE! By the way I LOVE THE CLASH! THEY RULE! WOO HOO!

― ChoopyTrags, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That is the best post I've read all day today. Thank you.

― Ally, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You're welcome!

― ChoopyTrags, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

WEEZER IS KING!!!! Ive loved weezer since they were at they're lowest and through it all ive seen an immense fan base grow from a seemingly dead band. Which shows too well this band is a CLASSIC. Its one of the only bands where people of almost all genders, sexes, and musical backgrounds can listen too, and at least (AT LEAST) be somewhat entertained. They have such following cause its impossible not to connect with they're songs, especially on pinkerton. If youve ever been in love with someone who didnt know who you were, or Just fuckin pissed off at your girlfreind, or been in love with a lesbian, its almost impossible not to think those songs wernt written about YOU. You cant classify weezer, they are just too fuckin good.

― Adrian, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

YES I CAN, THEY ARE FUCKING GENIUSES(Or more like Rivers is a good songwriter)!

― ChoopyTrags, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What an obnoxious little shit.

― DG, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The aol message boards are that-a-way, kids...

http://www.aol.com

― Nicole, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

but this is a weezer thread. weezer fans should be on it, right?

― danny, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Excuse me but may I fart?" -Any British person you choose

― ChoopyTrags, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've liked Weezer for a long time now. I think they're a kick-ass band. With the await for the new album i've heard that it's sub-pair (sub-pair with only two albums-well whatever). I also heard Rivers say that he knows the lyrics are shit but he doesn't care. I think that maybe he's bitter because Pinkerton wasn't recieved as it should have been. I mean come on, Pinkerton was fuckin great, Rivers poured his heart and soul into that album. Well i'll just have to wait to see what happens with the Green Album, hopefully i'll be content, but no matter what happens i'll always have Pinkerton, and so that to me makes Weezer a classic

― Brian Langel, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I heard Rivers has decided not right anymore personal songs anymore. Just fluffy songs. You know out of all the material he's been writing, some of the songs on the new album could've been chosen much more wisely. I think they've should've added Preacher's Son to the album. That song kicks ass. Oh Well, Rivers is fucked up but I dig him. He IS THE LORD GOD KING OF EMO (or so I'm told)

― ChoopyTrags, Sunday, 13 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Come to think of it, you might be Robin as well. I'm going for a lie down...

― DG, Sunday, 13 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nope. I was "danny", though, but nobody else on this thread.

This is truly bizarre: "Brian Langel"'s email address is one letter away from being Jamie Ashley and Sarah Hutchings's band ...

― Robin Carmody, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

all i know is that if i was stranded on a desert island, and i could only take one bands music with me, it'd be the beatles, but a close second to that would be weezer, and that, to me, means they are classic.

― carla emmerson, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

They had a band named ragnarok@email.com? What a dumb name for a band.

― Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No, just Ragnarok. I took it from Alan Garner's "The Weirdstone of Brisingamen" (his first book, fucking classic if you ask me), and also because bands in UK boarding schools *always* have the crappiest, most embarrassingly retrograde and "magical"-sounding names.

Well, that was the idea, anyway :).

― Robin Carmody, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You mean they actually let public school boys be in bands? It's really nothing like that movie "If...", is it? I feel cheated.

― Dave M., Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Robin - not actually true. Wacky names and puns are more common, often puns on the word 'funk'. This makes them pretty much the same as bands formed by any bunch of 14 year olds.

― Tom, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Doubtless quite true. You are, after all, the one who knows it first- hand.

However, The Face revealed last year that "Red Shift" (Garner, needless to say; the one with the astonishing Drake / Thompson / Martyn xerox) was the name of a sixth-form band at Sherborne School, which was essentially where I got the idea from. That, and the cultural myth of 70s prog fans being largely middle-class.

― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't know, I think Weezer still is a classic in the making. Green album is great. Cuomo is still wrestling with his issues of loneliness and finding his happiness, but each album seems to present his search in a different light. Take for instance 'Island in the Sun'. I can't think of a Weezer song with such an honesty in his voice. I'm just glad to see that they seem to be enjoying it as much as ever, and aren't sticking to one formula. This album is more pop than Pinkerton, but it's laced with a dark humor.

― rob moore, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hey, i just looked at this awful weezer thread and ned was talking about the dream warriors in there. i mean, the 'my definition of a bombastic jazz style' dream warriors. ned, you rule.

― ethan, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

None of you got it right.

― Rivers Cuomo, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That wasn't me.

― Rivers, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh that's funny...

― JM, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So I am listening to their first CD right now, and I had forgotten how much I had liked it. Wow.

I had also forgotten the dead pan way Buddy Holly opens with "What's with these homies dissin' my girl?" which is just great.

― Ally, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Moon of Gomrath' - was read it at primary school - fukscary shit. all weezer is to me is buddy holly.

excuse me if i fart

― geordie racer, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Weezer ; utrn off the distortion. THen you can come to my tea party. I used to play the Sweater Song in a Band I was in. Anyone care to talk about the Rentals while we're at it? Atticus Finch!

― Mike Hanley, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

SOMEONE WHO REMEMBERS THE RENTALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but I tried to talk about "Friends of P" with Fred one time and he's all, what? I'm all, that song, you know, it goes, "If you're down with P, then you're down with me". That was the best song.

― Ally, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ah, went with The Moon of Gomrath *myself* at primary school, Geordie. And awesome it was (and still is). I even fancied myself as an expert on Cheshire folklore (which is saying something unspeakably precious and Home Counties for a nine-year-old in 1989).

― Robin Carmody, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So, yeah, I've decided my full fledged opinion on Weezer after a relisten to their first two albums and then a listen to their new album is classic. C.L.A.S.S.I.C. That's all I really have to say about it though. It just sounds great. I hadn't listened to them in a LONG ASS TIME before this thread, really.

― Ally, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have the demo tape for "Friends of P" which got sent to the fanclub, I just found it along with old copies of the Weezine, some kaleidoscope thing you look in and see Weezer, and my purple =w= "Rock Music" t- shirt. I'm thinking of gathering it all up and scaring Ramon to death with it.

― Otis Wheeler, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I kind of avoided the Rentals around the time of "Friends of P" - is the album any good?

― Josh, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No, Josh, it's not at all. I just really like asking people if they're down with P.

Otis, if you don't take a picture of Ramon's reaction to all that, I will hunt you down and kill you with my bare hands, hello.

― Ally, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I so cannot tell whether you are being facetious. Because of course you could like the Rentals album and also like asking people if they are down with P. Who doesn't?

― Josh, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Now, Joshua. Why would I tell you that the Rentals album is crap, and then give you the only reason why I still remember it, in a facetous move? Am I trying to trick you? What would that accomplish? Nothing, that's what that would accomplish. So no, I'm not taking the piss. I'm being honest. The album is crap. I only like the song Friends of P because I find the chorus to be one of the most humorously inane things ever written in the history of music. In fact, I will search for the song tonight and download it onto my computer. But other than that, it wasn't worth a listen and I returned the CD back in the day when Tower still had their preferential exchange policy going.

― Ally, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My deepest thanks to you Ally.

― Josh, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I once saw the Rentals album on sale for 99 cents, and still thought it would be a waste of money. ;-)

Wasn't Matt Sharpe's big claim to fame that he shagged Miki from Lush? I always thought she had really bad taste for doing that.

― Nicole, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So I've just seen the new video. Listen if you guys like Weezer there's a WHOLE BUNCH of bands that play at Arlene's Grocery on Stanton Street that you'll probably really really love. They're nerds, they rock, they sing about their socks... honestly. There is no shortage. It's an artificial monopoly.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

just picked up pinkerton, partly because of its high placing on the ilm poll. i can't say i like it very much though. it seems curious that so many people seem to love it when it seems very ordinary. there's nothing bad on that album, but nothing very good either. perhaps i was wanting a rerun of 'only in dreams', which, it seems, is the only truly great weezer song.

― gareth, Wednesday, 13 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've never really investigated Weezer beyond what got played on the radio, but I'm slowly becoming obsessed with "Hash Pipe". (The secret to getting Dan to like your video: put sumo wrestlers in it. I hope Christina is taking notes...)

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 13 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gareth - it helps if you listen to it really really loud.

― Josh, Wednesday, 13 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

You guys are pathetic fans.

― Rivers, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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Honestly think Pacific Daydream is pretty excellent once you get past the first three songs. Sweet Mary is one their very best songs imo

― PaulTMA, Saturday, 15 May 2021 13:44 (two years ago) link

i think "mexican fender" is fine too

― ufo, Saturday, 15 May 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

America hits its limit?

I just learned that our Broadway shows have been cancelled (due to low ticket sales and unbelievably high expenses.) I'm very sorry to be telling you this now after we've already invested so much time, thought, and emotion. Extra apologies to those of you who cleared schedules and made travel plans to be with us. Thanks to @Broadway Producer for all your hard work and great ideas. I loved where we were going and I hope we can find a way to resurrect our vision.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 August 2022 13:05 (one year ago) link

What's with these homies cancelling my show

― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:12 (one year ago) link

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 August 2022 17:13 (one year ago) link

Lol

― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:14 (one year ago) link

Dud. Your annoying younger sibling in band form.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:31 (one year ago) link

I'm not a Weezer fan, but they could at least do a one-off show and film it for streaming release. Seems pretty reasonable in terms of preserving an endeavor and getting it to a wide audience.

― birdistheword, Friday, 12 August 2022 17:37 (one year ago) link

v curious about what the "unbelievably high expenses" could be for a 6-night stand at a single venue

― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

Have 26 often testing years of goodwill from two solitary albums finally starting to run dry?

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 12 August 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

xpost the world's biggest light-up "W."

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 August 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

America has spoken: "If you're wondering if I want you to...i don't want you to"

― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

my friend wrote "nobody wants to see u cos you're a diddler" in response, who is she referring to? did Weezer get in some trouble?

honest question as I don't follow them anymore

― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:51 (one year ago) link

Diddler sounds like it could have been another '90s alt-rock band.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 August 2022 17:56 (one year ago) link

I just did a cursory search and apparently they've been criticized for being misogynist, racist and homophobic, but I haven't turned up any specific accusations.

― birdistheword, Friday, 12 August 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link

all that I knew about.

unless she's making fun of Rivers's guitar playing

― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:59 (one year ago) link

Maybe she mixed Rivers up for someone else? There's already several other well-known alternative rockers with similar accusations leveled at them.

― birdistheword, Friday, 12 August 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

i just saw them play at a little 600 cap venue here. a secret warm up show for their upcoming "back to their roots!" tour thing. they totally sucked, complete dog shit. rivers' voice and guitar playing are still good, bryan is playing and singing great too. but no heart. they had no amps on stage, i guess they just play through rack units. this totally lessens the power of a rock band in a smaller venue. they play to click track and backing track so its hard to rock out. the times they had no click (only in dreams and paper face) then the ol magic was there. oh well.

they played new stuff off their szns eps and it was all proggy, thrashy, metal and very guitar heavy, but what's the point when it's so subdued by sticking to the click?

― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 27 April 2023 21:23 (eleven months ago) link

What's the point of playing to a click live unless you have a) backing tracks, or b) lots of visuals or idk pyro effects to sync up? Maybe they do once they move on to bigger venues, or maybe they just hate their drummer.

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, 27 April 2023 21:27 (eleven months ago) link

i think they do have backing tracks for some of the newer material lol

'no heart' is completely what i'd expect from them

― ufo, Thursday, 27 April 2023 22:03 (eleven months ago) link

three months pass...

listened to the white album yesterday. so perfectly suited toward the summer that i once again convinced myself it's my favorite weezer album

― ivy., Friday, 11 August 2023 15:49 (eight months ago) link

I heard Big Dipper's "Ron Klaus Wrecked His House" this past weekend and damn if it isn't "Undone" but seven years earlier and ~135,000,000 less spotify spins. Great song.

― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Friday, 11 August 2023 19:54 (eight months ago) link

Agreed about the white album, I love that record

― vexingvexillologist, Monday, 14 August 2023 10:13 (eight months ago) link

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