― Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link
*Russians/Russophiles will know what I'm talking about.
**No, I did not mean Zamfir, Master of the Pan Flute.
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link
The Pogues?Fishbone? (Though again, I know zilch about their later stuff.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Liz Phair is just so wrong.
― dan. (dan.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah, on every level. I wish I'd never heard her.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link
That logic would only work if every track on their second album was as good as "How I Could Just Kill a Man." When in actuality, no tracks are.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link
I think Criminal Minded is incredible if taken out of context. It's raw, minimal, and passionate...however, it was so disconnected from the massive blossoming process that Eric B/Marley Marl/Bomb Squad were discoering thanks to the SP1200 and Ultimate Beats & Breks series.
For me and my little rap buddies between 86-88, the growth was THE excitement of Hip-Hop, so Criminal Minded seemed like a step backwards at the time.
Over the years, I've learned to appreciate it on its own.
Then Scott La Rock Died, they changed direction, and they released My Philosophy as a single, which sounded up to date and great...but I got the album and was bored.
I've only revisted it a couple times since then, and I remained bored...so maybe you're right. BDP is not my area of expertise.
And Paul's Boutique is better ;-)
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, I'll give you this: Boces < SYOTOS
But no way to this: SYOTOS < Deserter's Songs
― dan. (dan.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link
Eric B and Rakim might hold true. I think the first 3 songs of their second album are their strongest, but then the album sounds rushed. Their first was a collection of a couple of singles, and the album...so it's a bit disjointed - but if you didn't hear those singles prior...
EPMD fucking mumble over Zapp. I like thier first few singles, but lost interest quick.
Run DMC's debut changed my life. Their 2nd album seemed to me like the first marketed piece of Hip-Hop...like, let's cash in on our image and let's make a song for every situation or whatever. That damned reggae song and such. I think the intro on that album is the best thing on it. Raising Hell was mostly a stronger marketing album, with some superb Rick Rubin driven tracks next to some Rick Rubin driven novelties. Their 4th album is sorely overlooked. Beats to the Rhyme is incredible.
Fat Boys...
I think this back-and-forth can easily stir up more thoughts on Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons marketing and visions than anything else. Rick's use of the 808 is the cornerstone of Bass music. Russell's marketing schemes made Hip-Hop known, but tarnished many of the acts. Beastie Boys, Fat Boys, and Run DMC all fall into this to some degree.
Grandmaster Flash's work is before my time, so I just buy it and lisen and sing along and forge no opinions about its relevancy.
No more bait taking for a bit. I need a bite to eat.
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link
They had more than one album?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Liz Phair's most recent album is either her best one or her second best one (after the debut), depending on what my mood is that day.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Totally disagree with Motley Crue.
Surprised no one's said Elvis yet.
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Nope.
Rum, Sodomy > If I Should Fall >> Red Roses >> Peace And Love >>> the "rump" Pogues as an album band
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Not Thaat Chuck, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Not Thaat Chuck, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Steve Gertz (sgertz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link
(xpost)
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link
"Boys for Pele" better than "From The Choirgirl Hotel" and "To Venus and Back"? Nope.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Not Thaat Chuck, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, also: Whitechocolatespaceegg > Whip-Smart
I retract my enthusiastic endorsement of Douglas' nod to Liz Phair on the basis of fact. In my defense, I can only say that I was beitched by the magnitude of the post-Exile drop-off.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
I like Choirgirl OK, but I just don't think it's got the goods to beat, say, "Blood Roses," "Professional Widow" and "Marianne." Although the Choirgirl-era b-sides are my second-favs, so I guess I could give you that.
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Dom P OTFM. And I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Counting Crows
― Aaron St. John (StJohn), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
Well the quality difference between the debut and Shout at the Devil is negligible, but beginning with Theater of Pain the downhill slide began gaining speed.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, the last Liz Phair is probably my favorite or it's the one I listen to most frequently anyway.
― dan. (dan.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link
I was going to disclaim that with something, but fuck it, that's a close to an objective statement about music as I'm gonna get.
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
Nobody would claim "Ummagumma" was better than anything that followed, would they?
Also, I expected to see Oasis here. It is of course way wrong, as their first album is still their worst IMO :-)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
doesn't work. One Foot in the Grave is his best album
― daglo, Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link
strongly disagree with the inclusion of M.I.A. I still think MAYA is her best album and Kala and Matangi are also both better than Arular.
― silverfish, Monday, 17 December 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
a friend suggested Laurie Anderson - thoughts? I’ve only heard the first two records so I can’t speak
― flappy bird, Monday, 17 December 2018 22:27 (five years ago) link
Secondhand Daylight is the one Magazine record that I would rescue from the fire/take to the desert island etc.
I also think Second Toughest... is Underworld's best album.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 17 December 2018 23:01 (five years ago) link
It is. Also, Beaucoup Fish is better dubno.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Monday, 17 December 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird,
Strange Angels is her best.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 December 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link
Oblivion With Bells is also much better than A Hundred Days off and I'd wager Barbara Barbara is a better album than Barking
― frogbs, Monday, 17 December 2018 23:21 (five years ago) link
I'd put Underworld Dubo thru Fish, this list. Hundred Days thru Barbara, the incline list. Crazy body of work!
― maffew12, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link
Rocket From The Crypt
Mudhoney?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 01:51 (five years ago) link
Ride is a good example imo
― nostormo, Monday, 3 December 2018 20:55 (two weeks ago)
Are you including last year’s comeback album in that?
― the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
The newish Ride album has one peak era tune on it and a couple of other 3rd album quality tunes and then loads of nonsense iirc
My answer which I believe to be true (and not to everyone's taste maybe) is Mercury Rev.
― kraudive, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 01:06 (five years ago) link
If Suede hadn’t reformed, they would have worked (I’m not fond of their 3 latest albums but at least one is better than their 5th... and apparently many people consider them great).
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 04:43 (five years ago) link
Strongly co-signing on Mercury Rev.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 08:23 (five years ago) link
Beat Happening
― nostormo, Monday, 14 January 2019 05:25 (five years ago) link
otm
― flappy bird, Monday, 14 January 2019 05:52 (five years ago) link
Oh it's decline right..sorry Quite the opposite for Beat Happening.
― nostormo, Monday, 14 January 2019 07:14 (five years ago) link
I still have time for Revolution Come and Gone more than anything else in their back catalog so yeah, quite the opposite
― doug watson, Monday, 14 January 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link
Pink Floyd
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:42 (five years ago) link
flatline is no decline
― mark s, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
I like Animals more than WYWH or DSotM. And even though I love Syd, I think Echoes is my favorite.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 14 January 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link
Pink Floyd only works if you start counting at Meddle for me. And then yes.
― akm, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:59 (five years ago) link
And when I wrote Echoes, I obv meant including the other half of Meddle haha.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 14 January 2019 21:24 (five years ago) link
This is more or less true for most bands. Only a few reach a peak at the end. Immediately springing to mind: Talk Talk.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 14 January 2019 21:37 (five years ago) link
The 3rd and the Mortal
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link