The New Allmusic: D/D?

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I say we all just quit going there. Most of that info you can find in other places anyway, for the same amount of clicks or less.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 16 July 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

You don't have to, stence. Microsoft bought them out. What else could I want or need to know?

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 16 July 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

well your post just seemed rather weirdly aggressive. I was just trying to answer amateur!st's question.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 16 July 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And I felt that the way you answered it was as though you were being smart-ass. But maybe you weren't.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 16 July 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

direct the AMG mngt to:

The Nine Pillars of Successful Web Teams
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000242.php

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 16 July 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

And I felt that the way you answered it was as though you were being smart-ass. But maybe you weren't.

I wasn't trying to be a smartass, at all. In businesspeak anything involving "strategy" almost always means "buying somebody out."

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 16 July 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, hstencil your wrong!

Strategy can relate to Organic Growth [without Strategic Acquisition.]

Organic Growth
http://www.exemplas.com/performance/147_2028.asp


DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

that link doesn't refute anything I wrote. I agree that organic growth is indeed a "strategy" of sorts, but it is usually not what one refers to when speaking of "strategic opportunities."

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

how on earth did any of us live without ILX for two whole weeks?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I played games of Hangman with Luna via email.

it's true.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

that sounds like organic growth to me, gear.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i think hstencil's response was useful.

"strategic opportunities" sounds to me like "surgical strike." funny how corporatespeak and pentagonspeak have so much in common.

i'm not trying to make this amg thing more than it is.

i really liked amg, i thought a bunch of their reviewers were great, and i liked the simple and easy to use interface, even if it sometimes meant long page loads (i.e. for elvis presley). i use a lot of different computers, so it's unfeasible to keep logging in and out, not to mention the fact that the new interface relys heavily on graphics, thus leaving out all of us who still use (sigh) modems. so i would have to say dud, on the available evidence. maybe it'll improve, though.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

AMG was already shockingly inadequate for even basic coverage of salsa and Arabic music (and some related stuff), but I did find it useful for some other areas. I don't think I can be bothered with the inconvenience of it at this point.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 16 July 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"AMG was already shockingly inadequate for even basic coverage of salsa and Arabic music (and some related stuff)"

their coverage of Polka---tragic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 16 July 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

this: While we would love to optimize the AMG sites for all browsers and all operating systems, we simply don’t have the necessary resources to do so. is obviously bullshit. Because they apparently had the resources to build what is totally complicated DHTML code that only works in one browser, and they didn't use FrontPage or something to do it. Honestly it's much easier to write this shit in a way that works in most modern browsers (Mozilla, Safari, AND IE) than it is to write it in a way that only works in one. No way it wasn't intentional.

I'll bet this has something to do with Microsoft's coming iTunes ripoff.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 16 July 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

AMG was already shockingly inadequate for even basic coverage of salsa and Arabic music (and some related stuff), but I did find it useful for some other areas. I don't think I can be bothered with the inconvenience of it at this point.
-- Rockist Scientist (heterophoni...) (webmail), July 16th, 2004 10:03 AM. (later) (link)


yeah, they always had huge gaps of course, how could they not? the least one could say is that they were always improving, though not at an even pace necessarily. i hope that advance hasn't halted though i suspect it has. better coverage of salsa probably wouldn't show up on the performance reports.

the lies and obfuscation of the (hastily-removed) apologia really seem to signal the end.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 16 July 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to say that Luna is good at Hangman but not as good as me.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 July 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

the new site nearly put me to tears yesterday afternoon at my radio station, when trying to look up composer info needed to enter in the logs for BMI.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 16 July 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah obviously it was designed not for maximum utility on the user's end but to attract advertisers or satiate a corporate parent (i.e. fancy interface looks like they are making progress)

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 16 July 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I did my own reworking of their new look and sent it to them:
http://www.rotovibe.com/images/amg1.gif

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 16 July 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Rocket Scientist, intentional or not, your repeated post is funny.

The old AMG...only a memor-eee...

Memories...Light the corners of my mind...misty water colored memooorieeess of the way we were...

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 16 July 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to say that Luna is good at Hangman but not as good as me.

That's hardly fair - you had less to work with.

luna (luna.c), Friday, 16 July 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey everyone, here's a makeshift alternative to Allmusic.com, until they get rid of this new bullshit interface:

http://www.mp3.com

they license a lot of Allmusic's material (although some info is not available), so you can use it instead. it's not as good as the old Allmusic, but it's a lot faster than the new one.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 16 July 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

but it looks like at least some of the mp3.com reviews are emasculated to remove negative commentary

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 16 July 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

God, this Silverchair album is a piece of [HEAVEN]! Whoever thought they could create an album so [WONDERFUL]? The lyrics are astonishingly [MATURE] and it's clear that this record was made only to satisfy [LEGIONS OF DISCERNING MUSIC CONSUMERS].

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 16 July 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

HA ha ha!

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 16 July 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

if somebody find some kind of workaround PLEASE post it... until then, I'll continue to click on

http://www.allmusic.com/old

until someone changes the directory permissions.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 16 July 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i like using that new "4-5 Star" ratings. some of them are just terribly wacky.

Especially on looking up Doom Metal. this album i've never heard of got 5 stars from 2000? i downloaded some tracks, it's fairly good, but is it worth 5 stars for such a jokey album?

or is this like that moronic "Who Dat?" thing.

Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Saturday, 17 July 2004 05:21 (nineteen years ago) link

goddamnit, you can't just say "this album i've never heard of"! what album is it?!!

King Kobra (King Kobra), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

well i assumed people would look it up. heh.

Thulsa Doom - Seats Are Soft but the Helmet Is Way Too Tight

Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Saturday, 17 July 2004 09:58 (nineteen years ago) link

if i'm using an old dial-up, it's even slower than it was before -- oh, i know i'm not part of the demographic, nz being in a different OECD bracket to primary consumers in the US and EU
(and it was always way slower than most other web sites anyway so i'd always turn the images off, and you couldn't open extra windows for links which made it more painful still)

i can't afford the time for (and am not impressed by) the new grapics. From the old high content-per-screen site to the new too-many-clicks site, some costing ten seconds, with loads of intermediate rubbish

yeah DUD.
so was it too good to be true before, a free lunch ?
this new thingie is a real idealogical defeat for the values inherent in indie and so many other musics that AMG (the exception) covers

(can "Premium Users" customise out all this extra baggage with their site preferences ? i haven't had the time to try. i haven't found a "text only" but perhaps it's more reasonable to expect a "text with old-fashioned lo-bandwidth pictures or banners" option)

i'd pay a small-to-reasonable premium (as i do with so many other sites) to avoid most "suggestions" (the pictures) and all "latest" content(the ads) even if i usually don't want to register with _anyone_ connected to the music business. I sure hope AMG doesn't now go down the demographic modelling line just for those advertisers

george gosset (gegoss), Saturday, 17 July 2004 10:31 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, it always was a slow page to load, plenty of stuff was already/ always happening between the client and the server.

george gosset (gegoss), Saturday, 17 July 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Where is Ned or Andy or someone? Some secret bunker perhaps, until everything cools down? I want answers.

artdamages (artdamages), Saturday, 17 July 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Well actually I was wondering that myself. I remember Ned saying he was going to be on vacation sometime during the ILM break, so maybe he's just sunning himself in some tropic locale right now.

Bimble (bimble), Sunday, 18 July 2004 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the redesign was Ned's idea actually.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Sunday, 18 July 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

And he was shuttled out of the country to preserve his own life.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Sunday, 18 July 2004 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i dunno, i guess i empathize with their point of view. how long could i expect a company to provide me with a free service that obviated the need for me to pay for said service (ie. buy their books)? certainly not forever. this is a service i use almost every single day of my life -- literally. so now i have to push a button a few extra times. okay. it's still free.

frankE (frankE), Sunday, 18 July 2004 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

{hysterical with laughter} I picture Ned with a paper bag over his head, holes cut out for his eyes, being spirited away by agents in a helicopter to save his life...

Frank, if you like it more power to ya. I'm never going back. Microsoft's tit doesn't taste good to me.

They could have charged for their service as it was. Big deal, I would have forked over a couple of bucks a month or whatever.

Bimble (bimble), Sunday, 18 July 2004 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

So you guys are using a three-year-old licensing agreement as evidence of a grand conspiracy against your choice of browser?! Whatever. You've been sucking from the same teat that's been nutritified by Microsoft since November 2001. Does the milk taste that different now?

According to Alliance Entertainment's press kit:

AMG customers include Barnes &
Noble, Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Real Networks,
BlueLight.com (Kmart), CDNOW, Best Buy,
Circuit City, Blockbuster, Ticketmaster,
Yahoo!, AOL’s Spinner and MovieFone,
ARTISTdirect/UBL.com, and MTV
Networks Europe.

Are they gonna offend AOL (owner of Netscape) and Yahoo! to get in a monogomous fuck fest Microsoft?

frankE (frankE), Sunday, 18 July 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i used to work at the AMG offices. the "we're just a small company" line is bullshit. while they might not have 500 employees(yet), using that line as some sort of justification for shit coding is even more pathetic.

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Sunday, 18 July 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm glad i'm not the only one who hates it.

Rock Bastard, Sunday, 18 July 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Not that I'm complaining, but it's weird that Allmovie is still exactly the same as it used to be.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 18 July 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

All the comments I'd like to have made have already been made. I can't believe they've just ruined what used to be a perfectly functional interface. Dicktrousers.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 19 July 2004 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm glad to see the similar artist section still as tight as ever. Current 93 and Leather Nun and that camp blend so harmoniously with David Chastain that it's uncanny.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Monday, 19 July 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I just saw the new design tonight and my god, it's awful! In my confusion about why a site with a decent design would change to this I found this thread. I used to like this site and it was a convenient way to find basic info on bands, but the way it is now I don't know that I even want to bother. I'm glad to see that I'm not in the minority here.

All the extra clicks, the unnecessary flash, the lack of flow to the pages, the extra scrolling, ugly design (the old one looked so much better!), it doesn't display right in opera, and I could go on and on but much of it's already been mentioned. I liked the compact design of the old site. It was so easy to get information at a glance. I hope they realize how much this sucks and change it soon.

Amy M., Monday, 19 July 2004 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Is anyone else using a Mac (iMac) and IE unable to use the Search function on AMG? I mean, enter a band or a song, etc in the Search field, hit either Return on your keyboard or click Search on the page, then... nothing. No search, not even an attempt, just an idling browser. If this persists, I will have to completely abandon the site, since its searchability is what brings me back there, almost daily.

So (you might say), use Safari or something else. And yet, with Safari, my log-in is erratic. Sometimes it "remembers" me, most often it doesn't, so I have to constantly enter my e-mail addy and my password.

David A. (Davant), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i've already abandoned the site.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:35 (nineteen years ago) link

If i was someone like Ned (ie hyperthetical AMG contributor cf: client)i'd be feeling ripped off. I presume AMG owns his and others 'content' (does it ?), content that would have been amically profferred by many music enthusiasts in a post-hippy idealistic pipe-dream about all the new wonderful uses of the web, happy to just accept name-in-print and forwarding of the understanding of music as their pay-off.

The AMG site has always behaved differently in my browser from most sites, even jealously commercial sites like Amazon. I've always just asumed it's an information gatherer. How else could it be so so slow (as it always has been)? If it's gone upmarket (blah blah about increasing servers etc.) i see no reason at all for it to still be that slow.

That is unless there's still multiple server and client stuff going on during the loads, and since i've crashed the site in a number of ways, i have no reason to assume the site isn't accessing a variety of databases depending on the data. Whose databases ? Clients databases ? Is that an exhaustive list of clients above ?

I can think of a few other organisations who'd be oh so keen to access AMG user data, outfits who could only be either a friend or a foe to AMG.

RIAA Man (izan), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:47 (nineteen years ago) link

My pet hate is the tabulated structure. I'll accept grudgingly that they use tabs due to the volume of information. But then once you click to the discography, you have more tabs should you decide to view Singles or compilations. So there's tabs within tabs!! Smart GUI design folks. And then of course, should you choose to read a jounros piece on the album, you have to click again to read more. In the old site they had read more but it was all client side so you didn't have to wait for another page to load.

And the speed here is orders of magnitude slower than the previous site, doubtless due to all the extra clicking being undertaken.

It should be used in university courses on how not to design an information based interface.

mentalist (mentalist), Monday, 19 July 2004 07:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I presume AMG owns his and others 'content' (does it ?)

It does, yes. At present, I have no other thoughts to offer on any of this as I had nothing to do with the redesign beyond beta testing briefly -- it worked fine with Safari on my Mac, and I was one of many testers.

I am, in fact, on a Caribbean island and I intend to spend tomorrow afternoon doing nothing but sitting on a beach for seven hours, relaxing in the sun and/or shade and reading a book. Yay me. Seeya all soon!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 July 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

They do! Sorry, I wasn't clear - you can totally pull up the individual entries. They've just fallen out of the discography.

mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 14 January 2017 23:32 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Ad Block blocker is back with a vengeance! I go to "Disable on allmusic.com" and refresh the site only to have it tell me that I still have it enabled.

Friendly lot, you AMG folk.

Austin, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:46 (seven years ago) link

lol I miss early 2000s AMG

example (crüt), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:54 (seven years ago) link

Memories, corners, mind

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:59 (seven years ago) link

I too got blocked by the ad-block blocker when I tried to look something up yesterday but Chrome also popped up some malware warnings so I just noped out of there

RIP AMG in its late 90s/early 00s form

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 10:50 (seven years ago) link

I think everyone should boycott this type of shit progress.

calzino, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 11:23 (seven years ago) link

If you use uBlock Origin (and you should), you can disable all Javascript on the site, inline and third-party. You'll lose a little functionality, but you won't see any more ads or notices.

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 11:26 (seven years ago) link

your not kidding it's a proper take down The Man adblocker is that mother!

calzino, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 11:31 (seven years ago) link

Yep I'm getting "disable ad-block" pop up even with adblock already disabled, and malware warnings. RIP allmusic.

Transform All Suffering Into Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 24 February 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link

agreed : RIP.

mark e, Friday, 24 February 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link

uBlock Origin, as recommended above does a right job on Allmusic guys

calzino, Friday, 24 February 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link

It does the trick, but I'm so tired of having to go all David Copperfield on websites to function. The pop-ups, the annoying adds, the cookie pop-ups, the 'sign up for our fucking newsletter' stuff. Seeing ads while logged in at ilx. I know this is all 'society is in the gutter' but ~the internet~ is p much dead to me these days.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 24 February 2017 21:19 (seven years ago) link

LBI hits the spot.

mark e, Friday, 24 February 2017 21:20 (seven years ago) link

LBI probably doesn't use uBlock Origin.

I hardly ever see anything of the things you mentioned. And when something does get through the filters, 'Block element' is just one right-click away.

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

This was still bothering me, because I did turn off the blocker for them and it wouldn't let me in. Googleing I found the solution, well it works for me.

https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/issues/182

The part about blocking first-party cookies on allmusic.com and sidereel.com works.

in chrome it is under - settings - show advanced - privacy settings - content settings - manage exceptions.

The site seems fast too with that.

svend, Thursday, 20 April 2017 00:48 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

just when i thought the allmusic experience could not get any worse, they prove me wrong.
f*cking ads that pop up and have to be clicked through to get to the review.
truly awful.
if i created an account and logged in, would there be less advert excess ?

mark e, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 14:57 (two years ago) link

You have to be an advertiser to log in

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link

Use an adblocker like uBlock Origin, no ads for me on Allmusic.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link

yeah, i re-enabled my ad-blocker - all ok now.
i thought the site prevented viewing if you had ad-blockers enabled.
but seems okfor now.

mark e, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link

brave browser has an ad blocker blocker blocker.

this fucking internet shit is getting to be like the most pointless chess game ever.

(i highly recommend brave browser, btw)

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 17:20 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

a few weeks ago they stopped letting me use my site search shortcut, claiming i was using it as an api. ok i will not go to your website, congrats.

today they are 404

adam t. (abanana), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 07:36 (two months ago) link

i followed a tip from (I think) Marc Masters that if you subscribe, all the ads go away and the site runs turbo-charged, and this is indeed my experience

it's a no-brainer when i consider how much I've gained from allmusic over the past, I dunno.... 20 years??

(ㅇㅇ) (+ +), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 16:37 (two months ago) link

I'm in your skull.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 16:40 (two months ago) link


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