Usher - Classic or Dud?

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He wore a Marvin Gaye t-shirt on Top of the Pops. I like him.

pete s, Monday, 23 February 2004 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

OTOH, he also sang 'U Don't Have To Call' on TOTP with huge vocalless spaces that Ludacris must've been meant to fill.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 11:53 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I just heard Usher's new single "Let It Burn" on the radio and had to run to a computer lab to share my shock at how FUCKING AMAZING it is. I really hope future listens live up to the memory of multiple Usher's weaving around each other, asking if you can hear him cry - hoo hoo hoo, hoo hoo hoo. I think he even used the word "umpteenth"!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:40 (twenty years ago) link

usher is reason 2034 why my wife wants to divorce me for my music tastes

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:52 (twenty years ago) link

He is great.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I really like usher, but whats the issue with j.t and usher?
what type of contreversie is this? I always thought they were close friends being that they are both in the music industry...??

Jeanette, Friday, 2 April 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

here's some fuel to the justin v. usher debate:

MILLION-SELLING 'CONFESSIONS'!


R&B star USHER has sold over a million copies of his new album in the US in just one week.

The singer tops the charts with 'Confessions', ending Norah Jones' 'Feels Like Home''s seven-week reign at the top.

'Confessions'' 1.1 million sales mean it has now surpassed 'Feels Like Home' as the year's fastest-selling album.

Usher and Jones, whose album sold 1.02 million in its first week, now stand as the only two artists to debut in seven-figure territory since *N Sync's 'Celebrity' sold nearly 1.9 million copies its first week in July 2001.

Usher's label, Arista Records, have revealed 'Confessions' is its biggest release in the label's 30-year history, beating the 689,000 first-week sales posted by Notorious BIG's posthumous 1997 album 'Life After Death'.

Usher has sold nearly ten million albums in the United States to date, according to SoundScan.

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Didnt Justin peak out at #2 with justified?

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

I always thought they were close friends being that they are both in the music industry...??

This is true. Everyone in the music industry lives in a great big house. MTV will be filming soon for a reality series. You will be chosen as the special guest star if you post on the Kanye West thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

BO-RINNNG! Li'l Jon cannot save you, Usher

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

ps holla back

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

I really like usher, but whats the issue with j.t and usher?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/news/urbannews/040304_usher.shtml

Usher called Justin a "follower" on Radio 1 last month, and challenged him to a dance-off in some other interview.

Which means, of course, that they'll be releasing a massively-hyped duet in the next eight months.

Lesley, Friday, 2 April 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

I want a full-on romantic comedy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

You would.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:23 (twenty years ago) link

BO-RINNNG! Li'l Jon cannot save you, Usher

Ah, I'm glad that someone finally agrees with me!

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
The man has three singles in the Top 30 right now, two in the Top 3.

That he isn't getting as much attention as Justin Timberlake did for Justified (which sold a LOT less) is really starting to piss me off.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 May 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

and I want LOTS more discussion of "Burn."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 May 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

also Cibula's review of Confessions is really awesome.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 May 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Confessions is definitely on track to outsell Justified, but that hasn't happened yet, and a lot of Justified's press/praise was accumulated over the course of a year, Usher record just came out, so time will tell on that one.

Usher seems to take himself waaay too seriously. I mean, even in the "Yeah" video, he flashes a lot of somber facial expressions, like he Really Means It, and the rest of the album is all ballads. I mean, he's a good singer and dancer at all, but the way he puffs himself up as an Artist, you'd think he was a writer/producer on the level of R. Kelly or even Prince.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 2 May 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Usher...not gonna say much more than "bleh". He's had a few songs which I've considered guilty pleasures of mine, I admit ("U Remind Me" remix, "My Way"), but most of his clunky, midi-sounding r&b tunes are just flat. Not to mention that he's not a very good singer, although that's not necessarily a prerequisite if you have enough character.

Around the time he arrived was the period of time r&b music really started going south. It was already headed there but the arrival of him and similar artists brought forth the downfall. Nowadays most of it on the airwaves is unlistenable.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link

fine, dad.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

stop calling grandpa "dad," strongo

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yea, keep telling yourself that's it. :)

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

":)"

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Usher's next album will be composed entirely on Midisoft Studio for Windows

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

His voice has developed a LOT, and although its not evident on a track as sonically abrasive (in a good way) as "Yeah", on a minimalist track like "Burn" its especially obvious - dude can sing like a motherfucker.

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Usher's next album will be composed entirely on Midisoft Studio for Windows

Is that supposed to be some sort of diss to Usher?

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude cannot sing.

He is extremely nasal and throaty and lacks dynamics. He has to strain for a lot of his highs as well.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not really familiar with his older stuff, but his voice is excellent on "Burn."

Don't you listen to metal? Why are you concerned with supposedly objective evaluations of singing ability?

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm a singer, and have been studying voice for well over a decade, and at one point, was majoring in it in college.

As I said...it's NOT really necessarily necessary to be a great singer to sell a good r&B song. I wouldn't say Al Green was *technically* a great singer, yet I totally feel his music. But while we were on the subject of his singing ability, I thought I would comment on that.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

did I REALLY just say "necessarily necessary"? My god, I can hardly believe I'm not still drunk.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised that so many people are bigging up the album so much - I count the following tracks as being worthy: "Yeah", "Throwback", "Confessions", "Burn" and that treacly Jermaine Dupri track towards the end. And that's it. Even the Richcraft track is unremarkable.

And "Throwback" is good but it should be much better.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I wouldn't say Al Green was *technically* a great singer

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, keep going, instead of explaining your position, continue with the ad hominems, they make you seem real intelligent.

Al Green was a great performer and a great R&B artist, but in terms of TECHNIQUE, he was nothing amazing. That is all I said, and it is true. He had the ability to sell a song that made up for it, though.

Do you REALLY want me to out-geek you on this one and give you vocal specifics?

Uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't gotten the album yet (I'm waiting till I hear "Confessions" on the radio so that it passes my three-singles-I-love-then-I-by-you rule) but even if only five tracks are credible that's at LEAST two more than Justified had.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I take Justin Timberlake as serious as I take making race cars out of diarrhea.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:57 (nineteen years ago) link

JT = Usher + Corey Feldman

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

How many times have we linked to this?

I'm taking bets on how much longer before "Uh" mentions how much he loves crunk + grime. Will the weight of the ILM hive mind overcome his defenses soon? Its not a question of "if" but "when."

Tim, I think Throwback is great!

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm interested as to why you feel you should link to an article rather than make your own points.

I consider Timberlake a truly ironic joke. His music reeks of sheer deriviative crap, and I wouldn't be arsed to sit through more than 5 minutes of it.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

No I do like it a lot but I'd been hoping that it did for either "Pump It Up" or "Song Cry" what "Yeah" did for "Get Low" and instead find that it's ear-tickling but very restrained.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 May 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

and before someone mentions the whole "originality isn't a requirement" argument (one that I actually agree with), realize that's by far not the only problem I have with his retarded music.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Tim, what do you think of "Caught Up"? I thought that track was terrific!

"Uh," I'm interested as to why you are afraid to read the article.

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

It was written by someone who posts here occasionally.

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually think Timberlake sounded great on Celebrity but on Justified he got WAY overconfident, the music is so non-mall that it needs a singer who's equally supple. Timbo just sounds like he's going to do the Urkel (though all the singles are enjoyable). He sounded a lot more soulful when he surrounded himself with guys like Lance Bass and Max Martin.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 May 2004 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Afraid to read the article? Dee, I'm not sure what your issue is, but you seem to be unable to comprehend the fact that people don't like your favorite musical artists, instead choosing to believe that said people have some mental deficiency they were unaware of.

In any sense, I found the article to be somewhat stupid. It seems to be using one person's critique of Timberlake to represent everybody's, which is just stupid, plus the whole article is rather presumptuous about why people actually bash Timberlake in the media. It's a completely silly, elitist article, that fails to comprehend that just MAYBE the other side has a valid point.

I know I argue "rough" in here, but I would never SERIOUSLY attribute to someone a personal defect because they happened to like an artist I did. Half of my first posts were just for my own amusement.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Timberlake's pipes are just shitty as hell. I work with people daily that could blow him off of the fucking planet.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

He gets blown plenty.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 May 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sure he does, however, that doesn't change the fact that he still sucks.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

the average Timberlake fan:

http://www.angelfire.com/band2/slayerrobfl/images/ugly3.jpg

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

alright new topic. What's everybody's favorite part of "Burn"? The spoken intro? The climax? The mood shift? The word "fifty-leven"? the hoo-hoo-hoo's?

These days its boo-oooo for me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 May 2004 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

what is "the best sense" of er, "depressed loss-of-meaning r&b"? i mean i got a lil nostalgic kick out of the n.e.r.d zombie too for a sec but to go so far as to say it rules just seems like being pugnacious about closing your playbook sometime around 2006

some of the album is nicely produced, some taxidermy is nicely enbalmed

r|t|c, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:52 (seven years ago) link

It's utterly disillusioned in a way that most quasi-nihilistic hedonist r&b doesn't even try to be. Hence more interesting.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:00 (seven years ago) link

It's not the young & trendy numbness of abel & co, but a beaten down, at-the-end-of-the-rope-so-I-might-as-well-laugh disenchantment. It felt refreshing to me, at least. I haven't listened to it in a while though.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:05 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/NRb4TVn.jpg

i don't really recall discerning a strong consistent persona like that at all thru the karaoke smoke but maybe i'll listen again sometime

r|t|c, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

wait why did this "girls just wanna have fun" song not end up on the album

dyl, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

new album out at midnight, produced entirely by zaytoven

Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link

Usher's dropping a new album at midnight, produced entirely by Zaytoven. pic.twitter.com/OrsAV8h6ec

— Meelz šŸ’ŖšŸ¾ (@MeelzTV) October 11, 2018

Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link

sounds like he's trying to be future :-/

J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link

This is going to be bad Iā€™m sure

Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link

Zaytoven is a hilarious name

niels, Friday, 12 October 2018 06:40 (five years ago) link

pretty forgettable on my initial couple listens

Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Friday, 12 October 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

His new single with Ella Mai is fantastic

https://youtu.be/MMitI4VbSuo

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 13 December 2019 05:20 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

actually pretty hyped that he's doing the Super Bowl halftime next year

Murgatroid, Sunday, 24 September 2023 19:27 (six months ago) link

I wondered why people I knew suddenly wanted to discuss how awesome they found Confessions in 2004.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 September 2023 19:33 (six months ago) link

i can never not hear it luda style as ursher and well reality is confounding in a lot of ways. like why the fuck is urshur at the big game TM?

*i think i said this before better scan*

And now I'll always have a little voice say "Ursher" in my head. That Yeah song. Urg.
ā€• Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:58 PM (nineteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

omg i am dying right now second time today it is sad rip me

Hunt3r, Monday, 25 September 2023 03:16 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

listening to his peak era albums in advance of this weekend. my way is very refreshing as a cd-era r&b album that comes in at a cool 9 songs, 36 minutes. all the songs are pretty good, too.

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:09 (two months ago) link

new album is okay. still excited for his performance

dyl, Sunday, 11 February 2024 18:34 (two months ago) link

Confessions is that uncommon thing: the biggest album is the best album. I dig My Way too.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:32 (two months ago) link

yes confessions is great, pretty much all the way through.

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:09 (two months ago) link

"Kissing Strangers" off the new album is him at his midtempo best

Murgatroid, Monday, 12 February 2024 17:31 (two months ago) link

The back half of new album >>> front half

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link

Rollerskating while singing live on that stage was crazy ballsy.

Indexed, Monday, 12 February 2024 18:08 (two months ago) link

supposedly something he's been doing at his vegas residency, so at least he's had practice

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 12 February 2024 18:11 (two months ago) link


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